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Of All The Parties With 50+ Electoral Votes of Ballot Access, Which Party Do You Prefer?

Republicans
73
23%
Democrats
111
35%
Libertarians
24
8%
Greens
59
19%
Constitution Party
12
4%
Alliance Party
4
1%
Socialism and Liberation
31
10%
 
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Postby Vassenor » Wed Aug 19, 2020 5:22 am

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And what powers does the VP actually have to do anything other than break Senate ties?



You’d think he’d spend more time doing something.


"He should've done something."

"Well what can he actually do?"

"...He should've done something."
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Postby Loben III » Wed Aug 19, 2020 5:26 am

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You’d think he’d spend more time doing something.


"He should've done something."

"Well what can he actually do?"

"...He should've done something."

Thank you.
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Postby Nobel Hobos 2 » Wed Aug 19, 2020 5:28 am

Loben III wrote:
Vassenor wrote:
And what powers does the VP actually have to do anything other than break Senate ties?



You’d think he’d spend more time doing something.


Like George Bush's VP did ..?

If Biden had taken a cognitive test, you'd now be saying he refused to release the result "on flimsy grounds"
And if Biden did take the cognitive test AND released the result, would we have then got a head to head comparison with Trump?

No we wouldn't. Absolutely no way would Trump hold up his test to the camera, unless the result was hugely better than Bidens. Which with all due respect is a bit unlikely. Trump would also claim it was a different test, and Biden's was easier.

The only circumstance under which Biden should accept the challenge is: in the same room, on the same stage, at the same time with the same test sticky taped to each of their tables.

Biden should issue this challenge to Trump. At the first debate.

And if Trump does not accept, Biden should make chicken noises ...
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Postby Loben III » Wed Aug 19, 2020 5:30 am

Nobel Hobos 2 wrote:
Loben III wrote:

You’d think he’d spend more time doing something.


Like George Bush's VP did ..?

If Biden had taken a cognitive test, you'd now be saying he refused to release the result "on flimsy grounds"
And if Biden did take the cognitive test AND released the result, would we have then got a head to head comparison with Trump?

No we wouldn't. Absolutely no way would Trump hold up his test to the camera, unless the result was hugely better than Bidens. Which with all due respect is a bit unlikely. Trump would also claim it was a different test, and Biden's was easier.

The only circumstance under which Biden should accept the challenge is: in the same room, on the same stage, at the same time with the same test sticky taped to each of their tables.

Biden should issue this challenge to Trump. At the first debate.

And if Trump does not accept, Biden should make chicken noises ...

Ngl making chicken noises is probably something that Biden does on his own.
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Postby The Blaatschapen » Wed Aug 19, 2020 5:31 am

Nobel Hobos 2 wrote:
Loben III wrote:

You’d think he’d spend more time doing something.


Like George Bush's VP did ..?

If Biden had taken a cognitive test, you'd now be saying he refused to release the result "on flimsy grounds"
And if Biden did take the cognitive test AND released the result, would we have then got a head to head comparison with Trump?

No we wouldn't. Absolutely no way would Trump hold up his test to the camera, unless the result was hugely better than Bidens. Which with all due respect is a bit unlikely. Trump would also claim it was a different test, and Biden's was easier.

The only circumstance under which Biden should accept the challenge is: in the same room, on the same stage, at the same time with the same test sticky taped to each of their tables.

Biden should issue this challenge to Trump. At the first debate.

And if Trump does not accept, Biden should make chicken noises ...


Why not go a step further, give each of them a pair of boxing gloves and may the best man win.

Though Trump looks like a biter to me.
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Postby Vassenor » Wed Aug 19, 2020 5:34 am

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Vassenor wrote:
"He should've done something."

"Well what can he actually do?"

"...He should've done something."

Thank you.


I mean that's one way to admit to circular reasoning.
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Postby Loben III » Wed Aug 19, 2020 5:35 am

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Loben III wrote:Thank you.


I mean that's one way to admit to circular reasoning.



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Postby Ifreann » Wed Aug 19, 2020 5:35 am

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Rumor? All the polls show him behind. I'm not remotely surprised since he's a shitty president. Donald Trump couldn't even do a good job as the captain of the good shop lollipop, much less as the commander and chief.


Would Biden really be any better?

Guy who refuses a cognitive test on flimsy grounds, has a questionable political history and basically did dick in the 8 years when he was VP.

Apart from the “two blasts” comment that is.

You have to give it to Trump, he brought an end to the practice of presidential candidates making public their tax returns and replaced it with a new tradition of presidential candidates taking a test to see if they can identify an elephant.

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Postby The Blaatschapen » Wed Aug 19, 2020 5:37 am

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I mean that's one way to admit to circular reasoning.



Whatever helps you sleep.


What helps sleeping for me is the combined volumes of RWDT. Such a snooze fest that stuff was :)
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Postby Loben III » Wed Aug 19, 2020 5:37 am

Ifreann wrote:
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Would Biden really be any better?

Guy who refuses a cognitive test on flimsy grounds, has a questionable political history and basically did dick in the 8 years when he was VP.

Apart from the “two blasts” comment that is.

You have to give it to Trump, he brought an end to the practice of presidential candidates making public their tax returns and replaced it with a new tradition of presidential candidates taking a test to see if they can identify an elephant.


Could’ve picked anyone but a old man eh?
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Postby Loben III » Wed Aug 19, 2020 5:38 am

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Loben III wrote:

Whatever helps you sleep.


What helps sleeping for me is the combined volumes of RWDT. Such a snooze fest that stuff was :)


Interesting.
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Postby Vassenor » Wed Aug 19, 2020 5:41 am

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I mean that's one way to admit to circular reasoning.



Whatever helps you sleep.


So are you actually going to explain what he could've done that you're faulting him for not doing or not?
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Postby Loben III » Wed Aug 19, 2020 5:43 am

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Whatever helps you sleep.


So are you actually going to explain what he could've done that you're faulting him for not doing or not?




But Im not voting for him anyway so......
No.
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Postby Zurkerx » Wed Aug 19, 2020 5:43 am

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Saiwania wrote:The latest rumor is that Donald Trump is surging in the polls. These are his best results in a long time. Biden is now only ahead by 4% because of a bad DNC showing. With the margin of error Trump could now be outright winning. This is no longer a Bagration rout, the line Trump is apparently stabilizing and with any luck, he's set to turn the situation around such as might've been the case if Erich Von Manstein were in charge of the Eastern Front early on and given free reign to manuver.

https://www.mediaite.com/trump/shock-po ... down-to-4/

Um, ever heard of an outlier? One poll does not indicate a "surge" and we certainly cant say that it's from the strange DNC because this poll was conducted between August 12th-15th, days before the DNC.

Polls since, per FiveThirtyEight have shown Bidens lead remaining comfortable, between 6 and 13 points, with the most likely average being somewhere around 8 or 9.

Per your own article;
FiveThirtyEight shows both CNN’s last poll, and the new poll released Sunday to be outliers. On June 8, when the last CNN survey was released, Biden was leading by an average of 7.2 points in the polls. On Sunday evening — even with the latest CNN poll averaged in — FiveThirtyEight shows Biden up by 8 points. Further, an NBC/Wall Street Journal poll released earlier Sunday showed Biden up 9, and the latest Fox News survey — out Friday — had Biden 7 points


So no, you can keep making strange Second World War metaphors and try to convince everyone Trump has already turned this thing around, but until you learn how to interpret polls properly, it will just remain wishful thinking.


We should note too that CNN's Poll is rated B/C on 538; Fox's and WSJ is rated A-. If the latter two showed the margins that CNN had, I be more inclined to believe them over if CNN had the margins that Fox/WSJ had. But despite differences in margins, I still suspect that the margin by CNN will be closer to the election results.
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Postby Vassenor » Wed Aug 19, 2020 5:45 am

Loben III wrote:
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So are you actually going to explain what he could've done that you're faulting him for not doing or not?




But Im not voting for him anyway so......
No.


Well, you know what they say about things asserted without evidence.
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Postby Ifreann » Wed Aug 19, 2020 5:45 am

Loben III wrote:
Ifreann wrote:You have to give it to Trump, he brought an end to the practice of presidential candidates making public their tax returns and replaced it with a new tradition of presidential candidates taking a test to see if they can identify an elephant.


Could’ve picked anyone but a old man eh?

America has plenty of younger people to choose from. AOC will be old enough by 2024.

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Postby Sarenium » Wed Aug 19, 2020 5:46 am

Ifreann wrote:
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Would Biden really be any better?

Guy who refuses a cognitive test on flimsy grounds, has a questionable political history and basically did dick in the 8 years when he was VP.

Apart from the “two blasts” comment that is.

You have to give it to Trump, he brought an end to the practice of presidential candidates making public their tax returns and replaced it with a new tradition of presidential candidates taking a test to see if they can identify an elephant.


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Postby Loben III » Wed Aug 19, 2020 5:46 am

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But Im not voting for him anyway so......
No.


Well, you know what they say about things asserted without evidence.


You used twitter before as evidence.

Don’t think you should be the one throwing that rock there.
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Postby Ghost Land » Wed Aug 19, 2020 5:47 am

Ifreann wrote:
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Could’ve picked anyone but a old man eh?

America has plenty of younger people to choose from. AOC will be old enough by 2024.

That's legitimately scary.

I didn't think Bill Clinton sounded too good last night, but he's actually younger than both Trump and Biden.
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Postby Vassenor » Wed Aug 19, 2020 5:47 am

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Well, you know what they say about things asserted without evidence.


You used twitter before as evidence.

Don’t think you should be the one throwing that rock there.


I'm not the one faulting someone for a nebulous thing that I won't explain.
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Postby Loben III » Wed Aug 19, 2020 5:48 am

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Ifreann wrote:America has plenty of younger people to choose from. AOC will be old enough by 2024.

That's legitimately scary.

I didn't think Bill Clinton sounded too good last night, but he's actually younger than both Trump and Biden.


You think that’s scary?

What if they try running Michelle Obama?
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Postby Valrifell » Wed Aug 19, 2020 5:49 am

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Could’ve picked anyone but a old man eh?

America has plenty of younger people to choose from. AOC will be old enough by 2024.


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Postby Nobel Hobos 2 » Wed Aug 19, 2020 5:49 am

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Like George Bush's VP did ..?

If Biden had taken a cognitive test, you'd now be saying he refused to release the result "on flimsy grounds"
And if Biden did take the cognitive test AND released the result, would we have then got a head to head comparison with Trump?

No we wouldn't. Absolutely no way would Trump hold up his test to the camera, unless the result was hugely better than Bidens. Which with all due respect is a bit unlikely. Trump would also claim it was a different test, and Biden's was easier.

The only circumstance under which Biden should accept the challenge is: in the same room, on the same stage, at the same time with the same test sticky taped to each of their tables.

Biden should issue this challenge to Trump. At the first debate.

And if Trump does not accept, Biden should make chicken noises ...

Ngl making chicken noises is probably something that Biden does on his own.


Again you astonish me with your ability to rebut points while turning the tables. Or replying to the only words you read, whichever that was.

I seriously thought you'd like the idea of dueling cognitive tests live on TV. Or aren't you so confident after all ...
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Postby Ifreann » Wed Aug 19, 2020 5:50 am

Ghost Land wrote:
Ifreann wrote:America has plenty of younger people to choose from. AOC will be old enough by 2024.

That's legitimately scary.

I didn't think Bill Clinton sounded too good last night, but he's actually younger than both Trump and Biden.

Shrek came out 19 years ago.

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Postby Valrifell » Wed Aug 19, 2020 5:50 am

Loben III wrote:
Ghost Land wrote:That's legitimately scary.

I didn't think Bill Clinton sounded too good last night, but he's actually younger than both Trump and Biden.


You think that’s scary?

What if they try running Michelle Obama?


Why would you even float that hypothetical when she's shown no interest in getting back into the public arena? She hated the slander that came with being a politician's wife.

No chance she persues a career in politics.
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