2020 US General Election Thread VII: Summer of Discontent

[West Leas Oros 2]

And? I am sure there are murderers and rapists who declare allegiance to the parties as well.

Neocons are old news. Boring.

Even if they all left the Republicans; it will not improve their image after Trump.

They aren't old news when we still have soldiers stealing guarding oil in Syria.

They're old news, but that doesn't mean they aren't bad news.

[Shrillland]

And? I am sure there are murderers and rapists who declare allegiance to the parties as well.

Neocons are old news. Boring.

Even if they all left the Republicans; it will not improve their image after Trump.

They aren't old news when we still have soldiers stealing guarding oil in Syria.

We'd have that even if the neocons were extinct. As I so often point out, no nation ever became a superpower by taking the moral high ground.

[Bear Stearns]

lol



People who oppose the war actually support it. Big brain moments with the Black Forrest, tonight at 10:00!



Yes, that was a common thing neocons said to deal with opposition to the war. Anyone with a brain could have seen that. Supporting the troops means not expending their lives in dubious conflicts that have little to no American interest.

*shrugs* people make claims all the time. Still doesn’t eliminate the fact you probably were a supported when it started.

Uh...what? When in doubt just make shit up, right?

I got into politics because of anti-Iraq War activism.

[Ngelmish]

Strangely, noted anti-neocon Bear Stearns is still not on the record as opposing Nixon's frivolous escalation of an entangling war under false pretenses that he, Bear Stearns, was very against when Lyndon Johnson was president.

Do you want me to be on the record?

I mean, dinging the fact that you randomly seem sympathetic to the Nixon propaganda line that he ended Vietnam (after bombing an extraneous country) so as to whack Johnson, and then whine about the neocons at large seems more like you don't have a consistent position on intervention, but, y'know, do you and deflect, you've chosen a debate tack that literally ignores Nixon's neocon moves to complain about the neocons, sure. You don't need to go on the record.

LBJ could have been avoided. Everyone knows Kennedy rigged the election in 1960.

With Nixon, we would have never had a Cuban Missile Crisis, a much smaller Vietnam, and certainly no '65 Act.

That is on the record. I suppose you may be accurate that bombing Cambodia as opposed to Vietnam is a "smaller" Vietnam, but, at that point, your argument that you're opposed to American war lording gets really strangely country specific.

[The Black Forrest]

*shrugs* people make claims all the time. Still doesn’t eliminate the fact you probably were a supported when it started.

Uh...what? When in doubt just make shit up, right?

I got into politics because of anti-Iraq War activism.

*shrugs* How do we prove your claims?

If you did; that’s nice.

-edit-

Curiosity question:

Since you sound like a Nixon fanboi; what’s your views on ol’ Senator Joe?

[Bear Stearns]

Do you want me to be on the record?

I mean, dinging the fact that you randomly seem sympathetic to the Nixon propaganda line that he ended Vietnam (after bombing an extraneous country) so as to whack Johnson,

Provide evidence of such.

and then whine about the neocons at large seems more like you don't have a consistent position on intervention,

I oppose intervention, be it Vietnam or Iraq. That seems very consistent. Sorry this is hard for you. My post about Nixon indicates I find him preferable to Johnson because the war would have been smaller in scale. That's a consistent position, and given there was no one running who wanted a complete withdrawal, Nixon it is.

but, y'know, do you and deflect you've chosen a debate tack that literally ignores Nixon's neocon moves to complain about the neocons, sure.

Nixon was a complicated person and had a more belligerent foreign policy than I support, but he wasn't really a neocon. Reagan started that.

You don't need to go on the record.

I think I do, because you're pulling shit out of your ass. See below:

LBJ could have been avoided. Everyone knows Kennedy rigged the election in 1960.

With Nixon, we would have never had a Cuban Missile Crisis, a much smaller Vietnam, and certainly no '65 Act.

It is an obvious fact that Nixon winning in 1960 means smaller Vietnam War if it even happens. But here's the thing:

What does commenting on the 1960 election have to do with Nixon's actions in Cambodia in 1968 and where is support for those actions derived? Please point it out. I must say though, it is amusing that you have to reach this far to get your internet pwnage points.

That is on the record.

Evidently not.

I suppose you may be accurate that bombing Cambodia as opposed to Vietnam is a "smaller" Vietnam, but, at that point, you argument that your opposed to American war lording gets really strangely country specific.

Nobody is bringing up Cambodia but you.

[Bear Stearns]

Uh...what? When in doubt just make shit up, right?

I got into politics because of anti-Iraq War activism.

*shrugs* How do we prove your claims?

If you did; that’s nice.

Okay kind of a creepy question...anyways you made the claim I supported the Iraq War back in the day, I think that burden of proof is on you. You honestly just made that up and have yet to explain why.

Look man if you don't have an argument, you can just stop replying. If I claim I also once attended a baseball game, do you want proof of that too? It's weird.

-edit-

Curiosity question:

Since you sound like a Nixon fanboi; what’s your views on ol’ Senator Joe?

>Nixon fanboi

I wouldn't say this. But he looks like a sober-minded realist next to Johnson.

As for Joe Biden, I think it is very obvious what my opinion of him is.

[The Black Forrest]

*shrugs* How do we prove your claims?

If you did; that’s nice.

Okay kind of a creepy question...anyways you made the claim I supported the Iraq War back in the day, I think that burden of proof is on you. You honestly just made that up and have yet to explain why.

Look man if you don't have an argument, you can just stop replying. If I claim I also once attended a baseball game, do you want proof of that too? It's weird.

-edit-

Curiosity question:

Since you sound like a Nixon fanboi; what’s your views on ol’ Senator Joe?

>Nixon fanboi

I wouldn't say this. But he looks like a sober-minded realist next to Johnson.

As for Joe Biden, I think it is very obvious what my opinion of him is.

You do like to try and distract. Accusations are not claims. Being able to prove or disprove them on NSG is a waste of time. People have made claims they were always against the war and then you find comments which say otherwise.

The fact I reply doesn’t mean you have to either.


Ol’ Senator Joe as in McCarthy.

[Shrillland]

Last call before Alaska:

GOP FL-20(Ft. Lauderdale-West Palm Beach): Greg Musselwhite

And polls are now closed in AKDT Alaska.

[San Lumen]

Last call before Alaska:

GOP FL-20(Ft. Lauderdale-West Palm Beach): Greg Musselwhite

And polls are now closed in AKDT Alaska.

Do you known why Alaska uses letters of the alphabet for its State Senate districts instead of numbers?

[Major-Tom]

Thoughts on the DNC Convention, particularly the strangeness/awkwardness that came with it's digital format?

[San Lumen]

Thoughts on the DNC Convention, particularly the strangeness/awkwardness that came with it's digital format?

I tried watching it and turned it off. I didnt find it interesting at all. I found it very awkward to watch

[Farnhamia]

Thoughts on the DNC Convention, particularly the strangeness/awkwardness that came with it's digital format?

It's strange and awkward. The roar of the greasepaint and the smell of the crowd go a long way in making an event enjoyable.

[United States of Devonta]

Thoughts on the DNC Convention, particularly the strangeness/awkwardness that came with it's digital format?

Second night was better tbh. It did have more policy, especially the healthcare section and keynote address.

[Major-Tom]

Thoughts on the DNC Convention, particularly the strangeness/awkwardness that came with it's digital format?

I tried watching it and turned it off. I didnt find it interesting at all. I found it very awkward to watch

Yeah...it wasn't all too good until the end. Jill Biden proved to be an excellent story-teller, ditto for Joe. Seeing that family dynamic and just hearing the life stories there, I recognize it's not anything substantial in terms of policy, but it's still refreshing to just see complex, normal, and empathetic human beings talk about their lives, their successes and failures, and how that impacts their worldview.

We've missed quite a bit of that these last few years.

[Major-Tom]

Thoughts on the DNC Convention, particularly the strangeness/awkwardness that came with it's digital format?

It's strange and awkward. The roar of the greasepaint and the smell of the crowd go a long way in making an event enjoyable.

You're not wrong. I ended up watching some clips from 2008's convention, holy hell, even just excerpts of it can be really quite rousing. But, of course, virtual formats breed awkwardness, it's inevitable.

[United States of Devonta]

I tried watching it and turned it off. I didnt find it interesting at all. I found it very awkward to watch

Yeah...it wasn't all too good until the end. Jill Biden proved to be an excellent story-teller, ditto for Joe. Seeing that family dynamic and just hearing the life stories there, I recognize it's not anything substantial in terms of policy, but it's still refreshing to just see complex, normal, and empathetic human beings talk about their lives, their successes and failures, and how that impacts their worldview.

We've missed quite a bit of that these last few years.

Do you think Cindy McCain's endorsement will help in AZ?

[Shrillland]

Thoughts on the DNC Convention, particularly the strangeness/awkwardness that came with it's digital format?

Well, such awkwardness couldn't be prevented considering how many people weren't used to such an extraordinary way of doing things. And since fewer people are watching than in previous years, I don't think it'll make that much of a dent.

Last call before Alaska:

GOP FL-20(Ft. Lauderdale-West Palm Beach): Greg Musselwhite

And polls are now closed in AKDT Alaska.

Do you known why Alaska uses letters of the alphabet for its State Senate districts instead of numbers?

Mostly because they only have 20 Senators, the smallest legislative body in the country for such things, so they can get away with it.

[Shrillland]

Polls are now closed in HADT Alaska.

[San Lumen]

Yeah...it wasn't all too good until the end. Jill Biden proved to be an excellent story-teller, ditto for Joe. Seeing that family dynamic and just hearing the life stories there, I recognize it's not anything substantial in terms of policy, but it's still refreshing to just see complex, normal, and empathetic human beings talk about their lives, their successes and failures, and how that impacts their worldview.

We've missed quite a bit of that these last few years.

Do you think Cindy McCain's endorsement will help in AZ?

It very well could. She is very much respected in the state.

[Major-Tom]

Yeah...it wasn't all too good until the end. Jill Biden proved to be an excellent story-teller, ditto for Joe. Seeing that family dynamic and just hearing the life stories there, I recognize it's not anything substantial in terms of policy, but it's still refreshing to just see complex, normal, and empathetic human beings talk about their lives, their successes and failures, and how that impacts their worldview.

We've missed quite a bit of that these last few years.

Do you think Cindy McCain's endorsement will help in AZ?

Um, sure, but only marginally. John McCain is deceased, and had he been alive today and gone on stage and made an emotional plea for Biden, it could've very well been a boost. But I feel that after his death, the assumption with Republicans in AZ is that the McCains were already on the Biden train and Cindy's voiceover, while very well-done and seemingly authentic, will likely only enthuse and energize the types of voters that were already considering switching to Biden. You know the type, and truth be told, we do need them in the big tent.

So, it's not a bad thing, but it's not groundbreaking either.

[Major-Tom]

I will add that having had the privilege of getting to meet Senator McCain several times, I'm personally quite pleased by the family endorsement, though it paradoxically just reaffirms the confirmation bias I mentioned earlier.

[San Lumen]

Thoughts on the DNC Convention, particularly the strangeness/awkwardness that came with it's digital format?

Well, such awkwardness couldn't be prevented considering how many people weren't used to such an extraordinary way of doing things. And since fewer people are watching than in previous years, I don't think it'll make that much of a dent.

Do you known why Alaska uses letters of the alphabet for its State Senate districts instead of numbers?

Mostly because they only have 20 Senators, the smallest legislative body in the country for such things, so they can get away with it.

Makes sense. I was looking at results from Wyoming and its quite sad how many state legislative seats are unopposed there. How hard is it to find a paper candidate to run or someone who will put in some minimal effort therefore a number of legislators dont run unopposed?

[Shrillland]

Well, such awkwardness couldn't be prevented considering how many people weren't used to such an extraordinary way of doing things. And since fewer people are watching than in previous years, I don't think it'll make that much of a dent.

Mostly because they only have 20 Senators, the smallest legislative body in the country for such things, so they can get away with it.

Makes sense. I was looking at results from Wyoming and its quite sad how many state legislative seats are unopposed there. How hard is it to find a paper candidate to run or someone who will put in some minimal effort therefore a number of legislators dont run unopposed?

Considering virtually no one lives in Wyoming to the point that bison and wild horses can vote, quite hard. Many of the less-populated counties have less than 500 Democratic voters.

[Major-Tom]

Makes sense. I was looking at results from Wyoming and its quite sad how many state legislative seats are unopposed there. How hard is it to find a paper candidate to run or someone who will put in some minimal effort therefore a number of legislators dont run unopposed?

Considering virtually no one lives in Wyoming to the point that bison and wild horses can vote, quite hard. Many of the less-populated counties have less than 500 Democratic voters.

If not far less in some.

Phenomenal people in WY and one of the best states I've seen, just deeply red and sparse in population.