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Of All The Parties With 50+ Electoral Votes of Ballot Access, Which Party Do You Prefer?

Republicans
73
23%
Democrats
111
35%
Libertarians
24
8%
Greens
59
19%
Constitution Party
12
4%
Alliance Party
4
1%
Socialism and Liberation
31
10%
 
Total votes : 314

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Postby Kannap » Tue Aug 18, 2020 2:43 pm

Tombradyonia wrote:
Kowani wrote:This may strike you as a surprise, but we’re not too concerned about the legality.


It's treason, then.

Anyway, without an election Patrick Leahy will be POTUS come January 20th, 2021. Leahy, not Trump.
I'm none too concerned about what you might think of it. With no election between now and then, the remaining 2/3rds of the Senate will vote for a new president pro tempore who will then be POTUS because there is no elected POTUS, VPOTUS or Speaker of the House. Those remaining will make Leahy president pro tempore and thus POTUS.

The military will take orders from POTUS as they always do, except as of noon on Jan 20th, 2021 that will be Leahy, not Trump. If Trump tries to hold on to office, he will be arrested.


This is some snazzy fanfiction
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Postby Post War America » Tue Aug 18, 2020 2:44 pm

Telconi wrote:
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A vote for biden involves basically replacing the boot with a color high heel. Seems nice but you're still getting stepped on.


Perhaps people ought not vote for boots, or high heels.


As long as their is a state, and as long as that state has a security apparatus the boot will exist.
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Postby San Lumen » Tue Aug 18, 2020 2:47 pm

Telconi wrote:
Borderlands of Rojava wrote:
A vote for biden involves basically replacing the boot with a color high heel. Seems nice but you're still getting stepped on.


Perhaps people ought not vote for boots, or high heels.

They ought to vote for whomever they so chose and it’s their right to do so

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Postby Vassenor » Tue Aug 18, 2020 2:47 pm

Kannap wrote:
Tombradyonia wrote:
It's treason, then.

Anyway, without an election Patrick Leahy will be POTUS come January 20th, 2021. Leahy, not Trump.
I'm none too concerned about what you might think of it. With no election between now and then, the remaining 2/3rds of the Senate will vote for a new president pro tempore who will then be POTUS because there is no elected POTUS, VPOTUS or Speaker of the House. Those remaining will make Leahy president pro tempore and thus POTUS.

The military will take orders from POTUS as they always do, except as of noon on Jan 20th, 2021 that will be Leahy, not Trump. If Trump tries to hold on to office, he will be arrested.


This is some snazzy fanfiction


TIL the Twentieth Amendment is fanfiction now.
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Postby Kannap » Tue Aug 18, 2020 2:48 pm

Vassenor wrote:
Kannap wrote:
This is some snazzy fanfiction


TIL the Twentieth Amendment is fanfiction now.


When Trump gets the authority to cancel the Presidential election and when Dem states don't go forward with their own elections irregardless, then I'll believe some fanfiction that the election gets cancelled and Leahy becomes President.
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Postby Telconi » Tue Aug 18, 2020 2:49 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Telconi wrote:
Perhaps people ought not vote for boots, or high heels.

They ought to vote for whomever they so chose and it’s their right to do so


Well that's a horrifying position.
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Postby -Astoria- » Tue Aug 18, 2020 2:49 pm

Vassenor wrote:
Kannap wrote:
This is some snazzy fanfiction


TIL the Twentieth Amendment is fanfiction now.
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Postby Kannap » Tue Aug 18, 2020 2:49 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Telconi wrote:
Perhaps people ought not vote for boots, or high heels.

They ought to vote for whomever they so chose and it’s their right to do so


I'm glad we agree on this, finally glad to have your approval the validity of my vote.
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Postby Tombradyonia » Tue Aug 18, 2020 2:51 pm

Kannap wrote:
Tombradyonia wrote:
It's treason, then.

Anyway, without an election Patrick Leahy will be POTUS come January 20th, 2021. Leahy, not Trump.
I'm none too concerned about what you might think of it. With no election between now and then, the remaining 2/3rds of the Senate will vote for a new president pro tempore who will then be POTUS because there is no elected POTUS, VPOTUS or Speaker of the House. Those remaining will make Leahy president pro tempore and thus POTUS.

The military will take orders from POTUS as they always do, except as of noon on Jan 20th, 2021 that will be Leahy, not Trump. If Trump tries to hold on to office, he will be arrested.


This is some snazzy fanfiction


You are aware of the line of presidential succession?

Its basically this:

1 POTUS
2 VPOTUS
3 Speaker of the House
4 President pro tempore of the Senate

Without an election, there is no 1, 2 or 3.
Without an election, the Senate would be down to 65 members as 35 are up for election this year and their terms expire January 2021.

Quorum is 51, and 65 > 51 so the Senate will still be in business, election or no election.

The current balance of power in the Senate is 53 GOP, 45 Dems, 2 Independent (caucusing with Dems).
Up for reelection this year are 23 GOP, 12 Dems.
Take those out, and you have 30 GOP, 33 Dems, 2 Independent (caucusing with Dems).

Who do you think those will elect president pro tempore of the Senate? Leahy, being the senior Democrat left, will be chosen, that is how the system works.

Contrary to what Trump seems to think, without an election his term expires. Period.
Trump seems astoundingly ignorant as to how this thing works. But then, what can we expect from someone as ignorant as him.
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Postby Aureumterra » Tue Aug 18, 2020 2:53 pm

-Astoria- wrote:
Vassenor wrote:
TIL the Twentieth Amendment is fanfiction now.
"Constitution? What Constitution?"

What
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Postby -Astoria- » Tue Aug 18, 2020 3:01 pm

Aureumterra wrote:
-Astoria- wrote:"Constitution? What Constitution?"

What
...what do you mean "what"?
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Postby Kannap » Tue Aug 18, 2020 3:16 pm

Tombradyonia wrote:
Kannap wrote:
This is some snazzy fanfiction


You are aware of the line of presidential succession?

Its basically this:

1 POTUS
2 VPOTUS
3 Speaker of the House
4 President pro tempore of the Senate

Without an election, there is no 1, 2 or 3.
Without an election, the Senate would be down to 65 members as 35 are up for election this year and their terms expire January 2021.

Quorum is 51, and 65 > 51 so the Senate will still be in business, election or no election.

The current balance of power in the Senate is 53 GOP, 45 Dems, 2 Independent (caucusing with Dems).
Up for reelection this year are 23 GOP, 12 Dems.
Take those out, and you have 30 GOP, 33 Dems, 2 Independent (caucusing with Dems).

Who do you think those will elect president pro tempore of the Senate? Leahy, being the senior Democrat left, will be chosen, that is how the system works.

Contrary to what Trump seems to think, without an election his term expires. Period.
Trump seems astoundingly ignorant as to how this thing works. But then, what can we expect from someone as ignorant as him.


None of this is relevant since the election isn't cancelled

Thus, fanfiction.
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Postby Andsed » Tue Aug 18, 2020 3:23 pm

Telconi wrote:
San Lumen wrote:They ought to vote for whomever they so chose and it’s their right to do so


Well that's a horrifying position.

It is horrifying to use your right to vote? Quite the hot take you got there.
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Postby Post War America » Tue Aug 18, 2020 3:24 pm

Andsed wrote:
Telconi wrote:
Well that's a horrifying position.

It is horrifying to use your right to vote? Quite the hot take you got there.


Telc has routinely expressed dictatorial tendencies. Anything to protect his boomsticks I guess.
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Postby Valrifell » Tue Aug 18, 2020 3:26 pm

Post War America wrote:
Andsed wrote:It is horrifying to use your right to vote? Quite the hot take you got there.


Telc has routinely expressed dictatorial tendencies. Anything to protect his boomsticks I guess.


He has a vitriolic disdain for Democrats and anyone to the left of the Democrats. Personal reasons, I presume.
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Postby Post War America » Tue Aug 18, 2020 3:27 pm

Valrifell wrote:
Post War America wrote:
Telc has routinely expressed dictatorial tendencies. Anything to protect his boomsticks I guess.


He has a vitriolic disdain for Democrats and anyone to the left of the Democrats. Personal reasons, I presume.


Guns, everything ties back to guns. The Dems won't let him own mortars and machine guns, which makes them evil.
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Postby San Lumen » Tue Aug 18, 2020 3:27 pm

Telconi wrote:
San Lumen wrote:They ought to vote for whomever they so chose and it’s their right to do so


Well that's a horrifying position.

How is voting for who you want in a free and fair election horrifying?

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Postby Vassenor » Tue Aug 18, 2020 3:29 pm

Post War America wrote:
Valrifell wrote:
He has a vitriolic disdain for Democrats and anyone to the left of the Democrats. Personal reasons, I presume.


Guns, everything ties back to guns. The Dems won't let him own mortars and machine guns, which makes them evil.


Which is deeply ironic considering we keep getting chapter and verse about how those guns are supposed to protect the freedom to vote for who ever you wish.
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Postby Telconi » Tue Aug 18, 2020 3:30 pm

Post War America wrote:
Valrifell wrote:
He has a vitriolic disdain for Democrats and anyone to the left of the Democrats. Personal reasons, I presume.


Guns, everything ties back to guns. The Dems won't let him own mortars and machine guns, which makes them evil.


I'm pretty sure everyone here knows that, is there a purpose to stating it repetitively?
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Postby Post War America » Tue Aug 18, 2020 3:31 pm

Vassenor wrote:
Post War America wrote:
Guns, everything ties back to guns. The Dems won't let him own mortars and machine guns, which makes them evil.


Which is deeply ironic considering we keep getting chapter and verse about how those guns are supposed to protect the freedom to vote for who ever you wish.


Its something I've noticed about a lot of rightist gun bros. They always seem to cling to the Second Amendment without understanding what it is really for. As if they'd be happy with a genocidal dictatorship as long as they could keep their weapons.
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Postby Kannap » Tue Aug 18, 2020 3:36 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Telconi wrote:
Well that's a horrifying position.

How is voting for who you want in a free and fair election horrifying?


Somebody votes third party?
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Postby Dresderstan » Tue Aug 18, 2020 3:37 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Telconi wrote:
Well that's a horrifying position.

How is voting for who you want in a free and fair election horrifying?

Kind of a stupid statement from you considering you belittle and gaslight anyone who votes third party or anyone not a Democrat.
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Postby Post War America » Tue Aug 18, 2020 3:42 pm

Kannap wrote:
San Lumen wrote:How is voting for who you want in a free and fair election horrifying?


Somebody votes third party?


Vote for who you want as long as who you want conforms to acceptable political discourse.
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Postby Vassenor » Tue Aug 18, 2020 3:42 pm

Dresderstan wrote:
San Lumen wrote:How is voting for who you want in a free and fair election horrifying?

Kind of a stupid statement from you considering you belittle and gaslight anyone who votes third party or anyone not a Democrat.


So why should voting Democrat be banned?
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Postby Telconi » Tue Aug 18, 2020 3:48 pm

Post War America wrote:
Kannap wrote:
Somebody votes third party?


Vote for who you want as long as who you want conforms to acceptable political discourse.


"Acceptable political discourse"
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