2020 US General Election Thread VII: Summer of Discontent

[San Lumen]

Choice #1 - You choose a candidate who can actually win an election and is the better of the two. This candidate, Joe Biden, if faced with the train analogy, would choose option #1.

Choice #2 - Stick by your "principles" and contribute to the Option 2 candidate, Donald Trump, winning re-election. After the Trump Triumph, you can rest easily knowing that the people who died on the train tracks were sacrificed needlessly in the name of smugness.

Choose wisely.

We're discussing Governor Roy Cooper and what he decides to do about coronavirus and how that effects his chances at reelection, I don't know what you're going on about.

Cooper is going about things the only sensible way he can do given hes up for reelection and has been handling things very well

[Kannap]

Choice #1 - You choose a candidate who can actually win an election and is the better of the two. This candidate, Joe Biden, if faced with the train analogy, would choose option #1.

Choice #2 - Stick by your "principles" and contribute to the Option 2 candidate, Donald Trump, winning re-election. After the Trump Triumph, you can rest easily knowing that the people who died on the train tracks were sacrificed needlessly in the name of smugness.

Choose wisely.

The Governor would be wise to chose option one

Press x to doubt. I don’t think you’d want to lose re-election

New trolley problem:

On one line is your chances at reelection, the trolley is barrelling towards them with full force. You can't stop the trolley but you can switch it onto a secondary track where thousands of people are tied down.

Choose wisely.

Which is funny, because he was talking about the train analogy I made up a few posts before, where Cooper either does (1) public social distancing, max occupancy restrictions, keeping things like concerts or sports or conventions from happening, or even going back to stay-at-home orders and closing businesses if it gets worse again or (2) keeps everything open, reopens everything, and lets more people die.

The funny bit, of course, is you have been adamantly against option 1.

[San Lumen]

The Governor would be wise to chose option one

New trolley problem:

On one line is your chances at reelection, the trolley is barrelling towards them with full force. You can't stop the trolley but you can switch it onto a secondary track where thousands of people are tied down.

Choose wisely.

Which is funny, because he was talking about the train analogy I made up a few posts before, where Cooper either does (1) public social distancing, max occupancy restrictions, keeping things like concerts or sports or conventions from happening, or even going back to stay-at-home orders and closing businesses if it gets worse again or (2) keeps everything open, reopens everything, and lets more people die.

The funny bit, of course, is you have been adamantly against option 1.

and if he destroys the economy of entire regions of the state by shutting the doors of many business hes not getting reelected

[Kannap]

We're discussing Governor Roy Cooper and what he decides to do about coronavirus and how that effects his chances at reelection, I don't know what you're going on about.

Cooper is going about things the only sensible way he can do given hes up for reelection and has been handling things very well

I agree that he's handled it well so far and probably will continue to handle it well, but if coronavirus cases surge again before November, we'll see another round of closing everything down and stay-at-home orders. I think that'd be the right thing to do.

[Valrifell]

Which is funny, because he was talking about the train analogy I made up a few posts before, where Cooper either does (1) public social distancing, max occupancy restrictions, keeping things like concerts or sports or conventions from happening, or even going back to stay-at-home orders and closing businesses if it gets worse again or (2) keeps everything open, reopens everything, and lets more people die.

The funny bit, of course, is you have been adamantly against option 1.

and if he destroys the economy of entire regions of the state by shutting the doors of many business hes not getting reelected

Who the fuck gives two shitz about his re-election over the lives of his constituents? Surely not Kannap, his constituent.

Dead people also ruin the economy, as dscussed.

[Kannap]

Which is funny, because he was talking about the train analogy I made up a few posts before, where Cooper either does (1) public social distancing, max occupancy restrictions, keeping things like concerts or sports or conventions from happening, or even going back to stay-at-home orders and closing businesses if it gets worse again or (2) keeps everything open, reopens everything, and lets more people die.

The funny bit, of course, is you have been adamantly against option 1.

and if he destroys the economy of entire regions of the state by shutting the doors of many business hes not getting reelected

And ultimately, then, what it comes down to is what Cooper thinks is more important: The lives of all North Carolinians or his office. I know which I would choose, and I like to think Governor Cooper would choose the same: the lives of all North Carolinians.

[San Lumen]

Cooper is going about things the only sensible way he can do given hes up for reelection and has been handling things very well

I agree that he's handled it well so far and probably will continue to handle it well, but if coronavirus cases surge again before November, we'll see another round of closing everything down and stay-at-home orders. I think that'd be the right thing to do.

In my view if he does that I don't see him getting reelected

[Kannap]

and if he destroys the economy of entire regions of the state by shutting the doors of many business hes not getting reelected

Who the fuck gives two shitz about his re-election over the lives of his constituents? Surely not Kannap, his constituent.

Dead people also ruin the economy, as dscussed.

Besides, Dems are much more likely to err on the side of science and support the stay-at-home orders and lockdowns if they're seen as necessary if coronavirus cases surge again. Those are the people who are going to vote for Cooper. He can give everything Republican voters want to them - reopening theaters, concerts, and everything else, no more stay-at-home orders, no more lockdowns, etc. etc. and Republican voters are still going to vote for Dan Forest, so why try to appease them when you have the opportunity to save lives instead?

[Kannap]

I agree that he's handled it well so far and probably will continue to handle it well, but if coronavirus cases surge again before November, we'll see another round of closing everything down and stay-at-home orders. I think that'd be the right thing to do.

In my view if he does that I don't see him getting reelected

Maybe he would, maybe he wouldn't. Keeping everything open and letting more people die than need to is going to win votes from... who, exactly? I believe, from what I've seen of Cooper in the last four years and during this crisis, that the lives of North Carolinians are far more important than his position as Governor. If he can enact policies that keep people safe, he's going to do it.

[Cisairse]

New poll shows Trump, Cotton, approval ratings underwater in Arkansas, Trump leading Biden by 2% (47-45) with only 3% undecided.

Probably an outlier, but I mean, those are some pretty bonkers results.

I really hope Arkansas is that close. That would be a Biden landslide and means Democrats are probably flipping Arkansas second district

Bruh can we get the '96 map plus VA, NC, and CO

That would be glorious

[Jedi Council]

I really hope Arkansas is that close. That would be a Biden landslide and means Democrats are probably flipping Arkansas second district

Bruh can we get the '96 map plus VA, NC, and CO

That would be glorious

1996 was one of the most aesthetically pleasing elections.

[San Lumen]

In my view if he does that I don't see him getting reelected

Maybe he would, maybe he wouldn't. Keeping everything open and letting more people die than need to is going to win votes from... who, exactly? I believe, from what I've seen of Cooper in the last four years and during this crisis, that the lives of North Carolinians are far more important than his position as Governor. If he can enact policies that keep people safe, he's going to do it.

if the Research triangle and Charlotte go bankrupt from mass business closures that isnt going to help him either

[San Lumen]

I really hope Arkansas is that close. That would be a Biden landslide and means Democrats are probably flipping Arkansas second district

Bruh can we get the '96 map plus VA, NC, and CO

That would be glorious

That would be glorious map

[Kannap]

Maybe he would, maybe he wouldn't. Keeping everything open and letting more people die than need to is going to win votes from... who, exactly? I believe, from what I've seen of Cooper in the last four years and during this crisis, that the lives of North Carolinians are far more important than his position as Governor. If he can enact policies that keep people safe, he's going to do it.

if the Research triangle and Charlotte go bankrupt from mass business closures that isnt going to help him either

lol then it sounds like a real lose-lose situation, might as well lose while saving more lives.

Though in all seriousness, I think Governor Cooper is doing the right thing, will continue to do the right thing, and - despite your concerns - will still have a good shot at winning re-election.

[San Lumen]

if the Research triangle and Charlotte go bankrupt from mass business closures that isnt going to help him either

lol then it sounds like a real lose-lose situation, might as well lose while saving more lives.

Though in all seriousness, I think Governor Cooper is doing the right thing, will continue to do the right thing, and - despite your concerns - will still have a good shot at winning re-election.

I think he also wants to keep his job. I do agree with you he has been doing a very good job. A friend of mine lives in North Carolina

[Kannap]

lol then it sounds like a real lose-lose situation, might as well lose while saving more lives.

Though in all seriousness, I think Governor Cooper is doing the right thing, will continue to do the right thing, and - despite your concerns - will still have a good shot at winning re-election.

I think he also wants to keep his job. I do agree with you he has been doing a very good job. A friend of mine lives in North Carolina

Which brings us back to square one, which is more important: The lives of all North Carolinians or his job as Governor?

Genuinely asking you that question Lumen, because I am worried you continue to push the wrong answer.

Right now, I'm going to vote for him again but if he is faced with a situation where he has to choose between his job and our lives, and he chooses his job then he'll lose my vote.

[San Lumen]

I think he also wants to keep his job. I do agree with you he has been doing a very good job. A friend of mine lives in North Carolina

Which brings us back to square one, which is more important: The lives of all North Carolinians or his job as Governor?

Genuinely asking you that question Lumen, because I am worried you continue to push the wrong answer.

Right now, I'm going to vote for him again but if he is faced with a situation where he has to choose between his job and our lives, and he chooses his job then he'll lose my vote.

Can't both be equally important?

And you'd rather have Forest as Governor?

[Valrifell]

Which brings us back to square one, which is more important: The lives of all North Carolinians or his job as Governor?

Genuinely asking you that question Lumen, because I am worried you continue to push the wrong answer.

Right now, I'm going to vote for him again but if he is faced with a situation where he has to choose between his job and our lives, and he chooses his job then he'll lose my vote.

Can't both be equally important?

No.

[San Lumen]

Can't both be equally important?

No.

Why not?

[Thermodolia]

Which brings us back to square one, which is more important: The lives of all North Carolinians or his job as Governor?

Genuinely asking you that question Lumen, because I am worried you continue to push the wrong answer.

Right now, I'm going to vote for him again but if he is faced with a situation where he has to choose between his job and our lives, and he chooses his job then he'll lose my vote.

Can't both be equally important?

And you'd rather have Forest as Governor?

If it means people are still alive then i guess that’s the price I’ll have to pay. Though I’m pretty sure most people would re-elect Cooper after they realize that he saved thousands of people’s lives

[The Andromeda Island Group]

Choice #1 - You choose a candidate who can actually win an election and is the better of the two. This candidate, Joe Biden, if faced with the train analogy, would choose option #1.

Choice #2 - Stick by your "principles" and contribute to the Option 2 candidate, Donald Trump, winning re-election. After the Trump Triumph, you can rest easily knowing that the people who died on the train tracks were sacrificed needlessly in the name of smugness.

Choose wisely.

I don't see the point in hammering people for their votes, particularly when it's unsolicited.

The point is that the Roy Cooper analogy and the sitting out analogy are both about doing the right thing.

1) If the choice is between re-election and saving lives, you save lives.
2) If the choice is between wasting a vote and voting for Joe Biden in order to beat Donald Trump, you vote for Joe Biden to beat Donald Trump.

The choice is clear in both cases. You choose the better of the two options, even if the better choice isn't the choice you want to make. Jumping off the train doesn't save any lives in either case.

[Thermodolia]

I really hope Arkansas is that close. That would be a Biden landslide and means Democrats are probably flipping Arkansas second district

Bruh can we get the '96 map plus VA, NC, and CO

That would be glorious

Biden and Trump are currently neck and neck in Georgia with Ossoff currently ahead by 2 points

[Kannap]

Which brings us back to square one, which is more important: The lives of all North Carolinians or his job as Governor?

Genuinely asking you that question Lumen, because I am worried you continue to push the wrong answer.

Right now, I'm going to vote for him again but if he is faced with a situation where he has to choose between his job and our lives, and he chooses his job then he'll lose my vote.

Can't both be equally important?

No, they cannot be. The lives of his constituents are far more important than the office he holds. You didn't answer the question, but don't worry I have another one: In your opinion, what would be an acceptable number of North Carolinians dying before you think Cooper winning reelection isn't worth more than people's lives?

And you'd rather have Forest as Governor?

Absolutely not, but again you and I think differently. You seem to believe that the lesser of two evils is good, I think both evils are bad.

[Kannap]

I don't see the point in hammering people for their votes, particularly when it's unsolicited.

The point is that the Roy Cooper analogy and the sitting out analogy are both about doing the right thing.

1) If the choice is between re-election and saving lives, you save lives.
2) If the choice is between wasting a vote and voting for Joe Biden in order to beat Donald Trump, you vote for Joe Biden to beat Donald Trump.

The choice is clear in both cases. You choose the better of the two options, even if the better choice isn't the choice you want to make. Jumping off the train doesn't save any lives in either case.

Except in regards to saving lives vs. winning re-election while not saving lives - there's a very clear good vs. bad dynamic.

In regards to Biden vs. Trump, I believe both are bad.

[San Lumen]

Can't both be equally important?

No, they cannot be. The lives of his constituents are far more important than the office he holds. You didn't answer the question, but don't worry I have another one: In your opinion, what would be an acceptable number of North Carolinians dying before you think Cooper winning reelection isn't worth more than people's lives?

And you'd rather have Forest as Governor?

Absolutely not, but again you and I think differently. You seem to believe that the lesser of two evils is good, I think both evils are bad.

If I was in his shoes. Id want to keep my job.

Yes I believe in lesser of two evils. In politics you can't always get everything you want