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Of All The Parties With 50+ Electoral Votes of Ballot Access, Which Party Do You Prefer?

Republicans
73
23%
Democrats
111
35%
Libertarians
24
8%
Greens
59
19%
Constitution Party
12
4%
Alliance Party
4
1%
Socialism and Liberation
31
10%
 
Total votes : 314

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Postby Andsed » Fri Aug 14, 2020 6:17 pm

DragonFarm wrote:Ahh, Someone has anger issues. What I meant was that Joe Biden himself doesn't have any political affiliation, he is just a tool for the democrat party to use for there own gain. Kamala Harris is as far left as you can get, unless you go to AOC's level (Coo Coo). Joe Biden is like a puppet and the socialists are pulling the strings on him from the shadows. But are you electing Joe Biden because you like Joe Biden or are you electing him because you hate Donald Trump.

Kamala? Far left? Are you shitting me?
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Postby DragonFarm » Fri Aug 14, 2020 6:18 pm

What does that have to do with being free, a Tax cut is not "free." Why should any of my money go to they government anyways. Shouldn't they be able to fund themselves instead of "Stealing" money from people who rightfully earned it.

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Postby Galloism » Fri Aug 14, 2020 6:18 pm

Andsed wrote:
DragonFarm wrote:Ahh, Someone has anger issues. What I meant was that Joe Biden himself doesn't have any political affiliation, he is just a tool for the democrat party to use for there own gain. Kamala Harris is as far left as you can get, unless you go to AOC's level (Coo Coo). Joe Biden is like a puppet and the socialists are pulling the strings on him from the shadows. But are you electing Joe Biden because you like Joe Biden or are you electing him because you hate Donald Trump.

Kamala? Far left? Are you shitting me?

If kamala is far left, Bernie Sanders is from another planet. Might not even be in the same galaxy.
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Postby Galloism » Fri Aug 14, 2020 6:19 pm

DragonFarm wrote:What does that have to do with being free, a Tax cut is not "free." Why should any of my money go to they government anyways. Shouldn't they be able to fund themselves instead of "Stealing" money from people who rightfully earned it.

The government funding itself means they own industry and draw profits from it to operate.

Which means it’s... the... people... owning the means of production.
Venicilian: wow. Jesus hung around with everyone. boys, girls, rich, poor(mostly), sick, healthy, etc. in fact, i bet he even went up to gay people and tried to heal them so they would be straight.
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Postby DragonFarm » Fri Aug 14, 2020 6:21 pm

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DragonFarm wrote:These countries are doing terrible wdym? Especially since they have gone more and more socialist.

Let me guess? You’re going to pretend that countries like Venezuela are socialist despite having a majority privately owned, market economy?

Venezualla i a socialist-influcenced used to be capitalist country. They want to be capitalist because there shitty socialist system ruined there country and sent all of there people into starvation. They used to be one of the richest countries in south america, look at them now...

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Postby DragonFarm » Fri Aug 14, 2020 6:22 pm

Galloism wrote:
DragonFarm wrote:What does that have to do with being free, a Tax cut is not "free." Why should any of my money go to they government anyways. Shouldn't they be able to fund themselves instead of "Stealing" money from people who rightfully earned it.

The government funding itself means they own industry and draw profits from it to operate.

Which means it’s... the... people... owning the means of production.

No, its the government owning the means of production, how is the government the "people."

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Postby Telconi » Fri Aug 14, 2020 6:22 pm

Galloism wrote:
Andsed wrote:Kamala? Far left? Are you shitting me?

If kamala is far left, Bernie Sanders is from another planet. Might not even be in the same galaxy.


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Postby Andsed » Fri Aug 14, 2020 6:22 pm

Galloism wrote:
Andsed wrote:Kamala? Far left? Are you shitting me?

If kamala is far left, Bernie Sanders is from another planet. Might not even be in the same galaxy.

I cannot even figure out how one can come to the conclusion that Harris is even close to being far left.
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Postby Galloism » Fri Aug 14, 2020 6:23 pm

DragonFarm wrote:
Galloism wrote:The government funding itself means they own industry and draw profits from it to operate.

Which means it’s... the... people... owning the means of production.

No, its the government owning the means of production, how is the government the "people."

Presuming it’s a Democratic system, the government represents the will and right of the people.
Venicilian: wow. Jesus hung around with everyone. boys, girls, rich, poor(mostly), sick, healthy, etc. in fact, i bet he even went up to gay people and tried to heal them so they would be straight.
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New Kereptica: Since power is changed energy over time, an increase in power would mean, in this case, an increase in energy. As energy is equivalent to mass and the density of the government is static, the volume of the government must increase.


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Postby DragonFarm » Fri Aug 14, 2020 6:24 pm

Galloism wrote:
DragonFarm wrote:No, its the government owning the means of production, how is the government the "people."

Presuming it’s a Democratic system, the government represents the will and right of the people.

Then no country is a democratic system is it. Half the stuff the government does nowadays is nowhere near what anyone wants.

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Postby Galloism » Fri Aug 14, 2020 6:26 pm

DragonFarm wrote:
Galloism wrote:Presuming it’s a Democratic system, the government represents the will and right of the people.

Then no country is a democratic system is it. Half the stuff the government does nowadays is nowhere near what anyone wants.

And yet, it still represents the will and right of the people, so long as the people have the right to determine who heads the government.
Venicilian: wow. Jesus hung around with everyone. boys, girls, rich, poor(mostly), sick, healthy, etc. in fact, i bet he even went up to gay people and tried to heal them so they would be straight.
The Parkus Empire: Being serious on NSG is like wearing a suit to a nude beach.
New Kereptica: Since power is changed energy over time, an increase in power would mean, in this case, an increase in energy. As energy is equivalent to mass and the density of the government is static, the volume of the government must increase.


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Postby DragonFarm » Fri Aug 14, 2020 6:26 pm

Andsed wrote:
Galloism wrote:If kamala is far left, Bernie Sanders is from another planet. Might not even be in the same galaxy.

I cannot even figure out how one can come to the conclusion that Harris is even close to being far left.

Very far left incredibly far left, just because cnn said she was a moderate dosent mean they are right.

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Postby Necroghastia » Fri Aug 14, 2020 6:27 pm

DragonFarm wrote:
Andsed wrote:I cannot even figure out how one can come to the conclusion that Harris is even close to being far left.

Very far left incredibly far left, just because cnn said she was a moderate dosent mean they are right.

And what makes her "incredibly far left," hm?
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Postby DragonFarm » Fri Aug 14, 2020 6:27 pm

Galloism wrote:
DragonFarm wrote:Then no country is a democratic system is it. Half the stuff the government does nowadays is nowhere near what anyone wants.

And yet, it still represents the will and right of the people, so long as the people have the right to determine who heads the government.

Just because they think they have the right to determine who heads the government dosent mean they actually know. What if you voted, and your vote was completely ignored, what if the elections are all rigged and they just make up the voting numbers in the state.

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Postby DragonFarm » Fri Aug 14, 2020 6:28 pm

Necroghastia wrote:
DragonFarm wrote:Very far left incredibly far left, just because cnn said she was a moderate dosent mean they are right.

And what makes her "incredibly far left," hm?

Wouldnt you consider "Medicare for All" a far left proposition, because I would.

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Postby Andsed » Fri Aug 14, 2020 6:29 pm

DragonFarm wrote:
Andsed wrote:I cannot even figure out how one can come to the conclusion that Harris is even close to being far left.

Very far left incredibly far left, just because cnn said she was a moderate dosent mean they are right.

Have you even looked into her record and previous actions? Because there is very little far left shit there. The mere idea of her being far left is absurd.
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Postby DragonFarm » Fri Aug 14, 2020 6:29 pm

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Postby Galloism » Fri Aug 14, 2020 6:30 pm

DragonFarm wrote:
Necroghastia wrote:And what makes her "incredibly far left," hm?

Wouldnt you consider "Medicare for All" a far left proposition, because I would.

No. It’s center left.

Far left would be nationalizing the entire medical industry. Not just setting up a national insurance.
Venicilian: wow. Jesus hung around with everyone. boys, girls, rich, poor(mostly), sick, healthy, etc. in fact, i bet he even went up to gay people and tried to heal them so they would be straight.
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New Kereptica: Since power is changed energy over time, an increase in power would mean, in this case, an increase in energy. As energy is equivalent to mass and the density of the government is static, the volume of the government must increase.


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Postby Necroghastia » Fri Aug 14, 2020 6:30 pm

DragonFarm wrote:
Necroghastia wrote:And what makes her "incredibly far left," hm?

Wouldnt you consider "Medicare for All" a far left proposition, because I would.

Left? Sure, especially in American terms. "Incredibly far left" when almost every first world nation has a similar system? Surely you jest.
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Postby Rusozak » Fri Aug 14, 2020 6:31 pm

DragonFarm wrote:
Necroghastia wrote:And what makes her "incredibly far left," hm?

Wouldnt you consider "Medicare for All" a far left proposition, because I would.


Outside of America that's pretty much centrist.
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Postby Aureumterra » Fri Aug 14, 2020 6:31 pm

Rusozak wrote:
DragonFarm wrote:Wouldnt you consider "Medicare for All" a far left proposition, because I would.


Outside of America that's pretty much centrist.

No, it’s still leftist, but not far left, it’s social democracy

The concept of left and right is stupid anyways
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Postby Outer Acharet » Fri Aug 14, 2020 6:32 pm

DragonFarm wrote:
Galloism wrote:And yet, it still represents the will and right of the people, so long as the people have the right to determine who heads the government.

Just because they think they have the right to determine who heads the government dosent mean they actually know. What if you voted, and your vote was completely ignored, what if the elections are all rigged and they just make up the voting numbers in the state.

*affixes tinfoil hat*
In all seriousness, we have no clue it's not, except for the fact that exit polling and a host of other methods often conform tightly with the result of the election and election monitors have repeatedly affirmed that in the West the majority of elections are free and accurate.
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Postby DragonFarm » Fri Aug 14, 2020 6:33 pm

Rusozak wrote:
DragonFarm wrote:Wouldnt you consider "Medicare for All" a far left proposition, because I would.


Outside of America that's pretty much centrist.

Isnt this called 2020 US GENERAL ELECTION. Not 2020 SOCIALIST GERMANY ELECTION. Medicare for all is far left.

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Postby DragonFarm » Fri Aug 14, 2020 6:34 pm

Aureumterra wrote:
Rusozak wrote:
Outside of America that's pretty much centrist.

No, it’s still leftist, but not far left, it’s social democracy

The concept of left and right is stupid anyways

A social Democracy is far left.

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Postby DragonFarm » Fri Aug 14, 2020 6:35 pm

Outer Acharet wrote:
DragonFarm wrote:Just because they think they have the right to determine who heads the government dosent mean they actually know. What if you voted, and your vote was completely ignored, what if the elections are all rigged and they just make up the voting numbers in the state.

*affixes tinfoil hat*
In all seriousness, we have no clue it's not, except for the fact that exit polling and a host of other methods often conform tightly with the result of the election and election monitors have repeatedly affirmed that in the West the majority of elections are free and accurate.

But, how do you know that these election monitors are telling the truth? You dont.

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