2020 US General Election Thread VII: Summer of Discontent

[Zurkerx]

Not to mention, there are far less undecided/third party voters. To put it in perspective, I took all the polling from 2016 and 2020 in July and compared them. During that month, Clinton's polling average was 42%; Trump;s 39%. That left 19% undecided/voting third party. Fast forward to 2020 and it's much different: Biden's July average is 49.5%; Trump's 41.4%. That only leaves 9.1% people that are undecided/third party voters.

The difference is big: Biden's lead is 7.5 points larger than Clinton's at this point; Trump's is only 2.4 points larger. Time is on Trump's side as he can tighten that margin, but Trump has far less voters to work with this go around, and doesn't bold well for his chances.

I guess we'll have to wait and see, by that time I'd love to see the polling differences from 2016 and 2020 during the final couple of months.

I actually have a Google Doc with a comparison going back to March 2020: I've been updating it so it's going to be interesting to see the difference though I can tell you that September and October were between 15-18% and by November, it was 12% for 2016.

[The Black Forrest]

There aren’t that many men in power?

I don’t see how there can be "too many" men in power. At least if you believe both genders are equal and the difference is just genitalia, then saying there’s too many of a certain gender in power is sexist.

You are adding in something that really isn’t there. The ratio of men to women in politics kind of defends what she says.

[Valrifell]

So wait your argument is "meh 2016"?

Called it!

And 2016 was a different election and more pollsters weight for education now.

Not to mention, there are far less undecided/third party voters. To put it in perspective, I took all the polling from 2016 and 2020 in July and compared them. During that month, Clinton's polling average was 42%; Trump;s 39%. That left 19% undecided/voting third party. Fast forward to 2020 and it's much different: Biden's July average is 49.5%; Trump's 41.4%. That only leaves 9.1% people that are undecided/third party voters.

The difference is big: Biden's lead is 7.5 points larger than Clinton's at this point; Trump's is only 2.4 points larger. Time is on Trump's side as he can tighten that margin, but Trump has far less voters to work with this go around, and doesn't bold well for his chances.

I don't care about your facts, numbers, or deductive reasoning! Trump will win because I said so >:(

[Valrifell]

There aren’t that many men in power?

I don’t see how there can be "too many" men in power. At least if you believe both genders are equal and the difference is just genitalia, then saying there’s too many of a certain gender in power is sexist.

If all things are equal then just by sheer chance all things should average out to about 50/50 male/female.

[Carenzia]

Trump really isn't the best face the Republicans have decided to put forward, but he does have the advantage of being incumbent. And if the Electoral College voted him in once, who's to say they won't do it again?

[Ifreann]

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loooool

> 2019

Very up-to-date.

Has Harris recanted that statement?

[Juristonia]

Trump really isn't the best face the Republicans have decided to put forward, but he does have the advantage of being incumbent. And if the Electoral College voted him in once, who's to say they won't do it again?

Because hopefully enough people will go "Well shit, that was a bad idea"
That and we're 4 years further. Lotta people that weren't at voting age then are now.
And hopefully a significant chunk of people that didn't vote last time will take the time now.

[The Black Forrest]

I just read two, absolutely cringe-inducing articles by Malaysiakini consisting of nothing but endless fawning over Kamala Harris and identitarian virtue-signaling about her race and gender.

Hmmm? Potentially the first black woman as Vice President of the United States is something to virtue-signal brag about. Especially when you look at the history of the US over such matters.

What is with the MSM today? This is turning out to be an exact repeat of four years ago when the media fawned uncritically over Hillary Clinton and everyone else was just a "bunch of deplorables".

The problem with H is she believed she was destined to be President which led to a crappy campaign which allowed Trump into office. He was considered a joke before that. Well.....he showed he is a joke now.....

As to deplorables? Well looking at all the crap over masks (just recently a elderly woman who just had liver surgery was thrown to the ground and broke a leg which required surgery over telling a person to fix their mask) the label kind of fits.

It's almost as if they haven't learned a damned thing these four years and it's frustrating as hell. I was just reminded of the role she played in the politically-motivated, misandrist witch hunt of then-Supreme Court nominee Brett Kavanaugh.

Do you call men misogynists for hammering women in similar situations?

Now I remember why I dislike her and a number of other U.S. Senators so much. For a so-called, "moderate" centrist like her, she is as much an insufferable, woke, virtue-signaling feminist as all the other radical far-leftists who have roundly and openly denigrated half the human population solely on account of their gender. Her presidency will likely translate to a rollback of some of the significant gains that have been made by men's rights activists under the current Trump administration.

Ohhh that’s what got your knickers in a twist.

Kamala Harris' selection as VP nominee has really turned me off of supporting Joe Biden and the Democrats.

Oh I get the impression you were never really giving him a serious thought.

Good job Joe. It's almost as if you want to lose despite Trump's rightly and understandably abysmal poll ratings. It really makes my stomach churn. If not for the coronavirus pandemic and the battered U.S. economy, I think I might be leaning in favor of backing Trump at this point as would millions of moderates and centrists in the United States who otherwise remain undecided over who to support.

I will admit Kamala does concern me for real reasons I and other people have mentioned. We shall see. Even with her; I view Trump as the bigger danger to the US.

[Carenzia]

Enough people know where the limits are well enough to know that the Democrats have crossed them. It is a literal warzone every week because somebody has something to say about someone else. Republicans do it too.
Right now it's too early to tell, whatever the polls may say.
You can't make both sides happy, and one is bound to be controversial. If Biden does get elected, there will be a lot of controversy on the right over Harris being VP. Bound to happen, so now we have controversy over Trump, and if Biden gets elected, there'll be controversy about Harris.

[Repubblica Fascista Sociale Italiana]

Wonder what the October Surprise will be

I would imagine there would be a goldmine of dirt on Biden, especially from his past when he used to be a conservative anti-gay person.

And I don’t even need to mention how much material you have to attack Trump

[Corrian]

Well, Trump's completely blatant this morning on his intents with the USPS.

[Ngelmish]

Not to mention, there are far less undecided/third party voters. To put it in perspective, I took all the polling from 2016 and 2020 in July and compared them. During that month, Clinton's polling average was 42%; Trump;s 39%. That left 19% undecided/voting third party. Fast forward to 2020 and it's much different: Biden's July average is 49.5%; Trump's 41.4%. That only leaves 9.1% people that are undecided/third party voters.

The difference is big: Biden's lead is 7.5 points larger than Clinton's at this point; Trump's is only 2.4 points larger. Time is on Trump's side as he can tighten that margin, but Trump has far less voters to work with this go around, and doesn't bold well for his chances.

I don't care about your facts, numbers, or deductive reasoning! Trump will win because I said so

Absolute certainty about who will win a binary election really isn't healthy for anyone who dabbles in it.

[The Black Forrest]

Wonder what the October Surprise will be

I would imagine there would be a goldmine of dirt on Biden, especially from his past when he used to be a conservative anti-gay person.

And I don’t even need to mention how much material you have to attack Trump

October surprises are over rated.

Even then, will it have the same effect? Trump did a good job turning people off from the media with all the fake-news bullshit.

[San Lumen]

Well, Trump's completely blatant this morning on his intents with the USPS.

Maybe that will wake republicans up to how dangerous he is but I have doubts

[Corrian]

Kamala Harris is bad news for India

I simply don't get why the BBC and other mainstream media outlets are fawning over her as a VP candidate. The last couple of news reports I've watched of her made absolutely no mention of Tulsi Gabbard's (whom I'm no fan of either) epic takedown of her record as CA Attorney-General in the debates. Harris is simply not the kind of person one would expect progressives to endorse given that she was a key part and parcel of a fundamentally and profoundly unjust system of law enforcement and criminal (in)justice that many on the Left would consider a "clear-cut manifestation of systemic racism".

Biden-Harris is a great pick for anyone who wants all the same things we have under Trump, but less of his dumb ramblings and outbursts. So basically a guy who smiles at you while stabbing you in the back.

I'm of the opinion that millions of Americans like to virtue signal. They'll complain about prisons needing reform or climate change but when doing something about societal injustices may make them uncomfortable, they say "no no no no." You tell them they may have to use public transit and live in a smaller home or apartment to solve climate change and they say "hell no." You tell them an economically mixed community will be better for the poor than an urban slum and they say "don't build section 8 in my neighborhood. You'll ruin my property values." I honestly dislike people like that more than I dislike your stereoptypical full on conservative. Imsgine the nerve on someone who can say "society is so unfair, we need to change it," and then they stonewall any and all progress. Now is that everyone who is gonna vote for biden in fall? No. But I think it is many of the people who will vote for him, just like how not all trump supporters are racists, but many are.

Hard to use public transit when you live in the middle of nowhere with a highway that only has a bus every hour, but you're also 2 1/2 miles out from said bus stop. Mind you the buses are at the worst time to travel for work purposes.

[Major-Tom]

Trump's admitted the only reason he's fucking over the USPS is to block mail-in voting.

But for real, eh, that won't hurt him unfortunately.

[Zurkerx]

A new poll shows voters approve of Harris being picked as VP; Biden gets an image bounce. Now this is interesting. Here's the breakdown:

1. Overall, 53% of approve of the pick compared to 29% that don't.
2. 47% rate the pick as "excellent" or "good" while 29% rate the pick "not so good" or "poor".
3. 84% of Democrats approve.
4. 79% of Blacks approve.
5. Those under the ages 35 (56%), 35-44 (61%), and 65+ (55%) approve of the choice; only those between 45-64 didn't garnish a majority.
6. 44% of Independents approve to 27% that disapprove though 28% have no opinion.
7. 49% of voters say Biden's selection of Harris has no impact on their vote while 25% say it will.
8. Harris has an approval rating 45% to a disapproval of 37%; Biden has a 51% favorably rating.

More polling is needed, but it's what some of us have suspected despite a majority of us on NS not being fond of Harris: the general public is generally receptive to Harris. This is especially true among African Americans, Democrats, and most age groups. What we'll need to pay attention to whether Harris' track record will affect people as they learn more about her (if they haven't already) and whether they care. But for right now, Harris is viewed favorably by the public and that has helped her image and more importantly, Biden's.

[Major-Tom]

A new poll shows voters approve of Harris being picked as VP; Biden gets an image bounce. Now this is interesting. Here's the breakdown:

1. Overall, 53% of approve of the pick compared to 29% that don't.
2. 47% rate the pick as "excellent" or "good" while 29% rate the pick "not so good" or "poor".
3. 84% of Democrats approve.
4. 79% of Blacks approve.
5. Those under the ages 35 (56%), 35-44 (61%), and 65+ (55%) approve of the choice; only those between 45-64 didn't garnish a majority.
6. 44% of Independents approve to 27% that disapprove though 28% have no opinion.
7. 49% of voters say Biden's selection of Harris has no impact on their vote while 25% say it will.
8. Harris has an approval rating 45% to a disapproval of 37%; Biden has a 51% favorably rating.

More polling is needed, but it's what some of us have suspected despite a majority of us on NS not being fond of Harris: the general public is generally receptive to Harris. This is especially true among African Americans, Democrats, and most age groups. What we'll need to pay attention to whether Harris' track record will affect people as they learn more about her (if they haven't already) and whether they care. But for right now, Harris is viewed favorably by the public and that has helped her image and more importantly, Biden's.

My Republican dad and my Independent mother are both huge fans of Harris. Ditto for a lot of moderate Republicans I've had on phonebanks.

Does that mean I love her? No, of course not, I'm not a fan, but reality often isn't an internet echo-chamber, as you mentioned. She has some cross-appeal and a lot of folks just like her. That could change, but this does refute the mantra of "HARRIS WILL RUIN BIDEN."

[Dresderstan]

A new poll shows voters approve of Harris being picked as VP; Biden gets an image bounce. Now this is interesting. Here's the breakdown:

1. Overall, 53% of approve of the pick compared to 29% that don't.
2. 47% rate the pick as "excellent" or "good" while 29% rate the pick "not so good" or "poor".
3. 84% of Democrats approve.
4. 79% of Blacks approve.
5. Those under the ages 35 (56%), 35-44 (61%), and 65+ (55%) approve of the choice; only those between 45-64 didn't garnish a majority.
6. 44% of Independents approve to 27% that disapprove though 28% have no opinion.
7. 49% of voters say Biden's selection of Harris has no impact on their vote while 25% say it will.
8. Harris has an approval rating 45% to a disapproval of 37%; Biden has a 51% favorably rating.

More polling is needed, but it's what some of us have suspected despite a majority of us on NS not being fond of Harris: the general public is generally receptive to Harris. This is especially true among African Americans, Democrats, and most age groups. What we'll need to pay attention to whether Harris' track record will affect people as they learn more about her (if they haven't already) and whether they care. But for right now, Harris is viewed favorably by the public and that has helped her image and more importantly, Biden's.

Weird how the General Public is much more positive for Harris than most here on NSG... really makes you wonder a bit.

[Corrian]

I’m not but this is why as many polling places as possible need to be open so people can vote in person if they do not receive an absentee ballot they requested

What if they do receive the ballot, fill it in and mail it back promptly ... but they still don't know if it will be counted?

They can't vote in person, without risk of committing electoral fraud.

People need to decide early whether they're voting postal or in-person.

How am I supposed to decide that early when I live in a mail-in-voting state? If I can get my ballot in the first place, I'll drop it off at a drop box instead, though.

[Zurkerx]

My Republican dad and my Independent mother are both huge fans of Harris. Ditto for a lot of moderate Republicans I've had on phonebanks.

Does that mean I love her? No, of course not, I'm not a fan, but reality often isn't an internet echo-chamber, as you mentioned. She has some cross-appeal and a lot of folks just like her. That could change, but this does refute the mantra of "HARRIS WILL RUIN BIDEN."

Really? Your Republican Father likes her? I'm a bit surprised. Interesting.

But yes, while things can change, Harris at the moment, isn't hurting Biden- not like some wanted or hope for.

Weird how the General Public is much more positive for Harris than most here on NSG... really makes you wonder a bit.

Well, the internet tends to have its fringes but more importantly to note, we tend to have a better understanding of the issues and care more about certain issues over others- or people for that matter. Not to mention, the site does skew younger and while a majority of the youth do seem to support her, the minority is definitely large and vocal.

[Major-Tom]

My Republican dad and my Independent mother are both huge fans of Harris. Ditto for a lot of moderate Republicans I've had on phonebanks.

Does that mean I love her? No, of course not, I'm not a fan, but reality often isn't an internet echo-chamber, as you mentioned. She has some cross-appeal and a lot of folks just like her. That could change, but this does refute the mantra of "HARRIS WILL RUIN BIDEN."

Really? Your Republican Father likes her? I'm a bit surprised. Interesting.

But yes, while things can change, Harris at the moment, isn't hurting Biden- not like some wanted or hope for.

Weird how the General Public is much more positive for Harris than most here on NSG... really makes you wonder a bit.

Well, the internet tends to have its fringes but more importantly to note, we tend to have a better understanding of the issues and care more about certain issues over others- or people for that matter. Not to mention, the site does skew younger and while a majority of the youth do seem to support her, the minority is definitely large and vocal.

He's become really disillusioned with Trump, and he sees her as a moderate pick. He told me had Warren been picked, he'd have voted Trump. Now, he's thinking of going Biden.

And yes, I would argue most of the general public either doesn't know of her past tenure, or does and just doesn't see that as the dealbreaker. Those who take particular issue with it are going to be the same people with an overrepresentation in places like NS, Reddit, Twitter, etc etc.

[Telconi]

Well, Trump's completely blatant this morning on his intents with the USPS.

Maybe that will wake republicans up to how dangerous he is but I have doubts

Being dangerous to the enemy isn't a negative trait.

[Cordel One]

Maybe that will wake republicans up to how dangerous he is but I have doubts

Being dangerous to the enemy isn't a negative trait.

That depends on how you're a danger and why they're an enemy.

[Telconi]

Being dangerous to the enemy isn't a negative trait.

That depends on how you're a danger and why they're an enemy.

Nonsense, the mechanism isn't relevant to rather said danger constitutes a positive feature.