2020 US General Election Thread VII: Summer of Discontent

[US-SSR]

It's finally here: Nate Silver's 2020 Election Forecast!

As of now, Biden wins 71 out of 100 times but don't count out Trump just yet: it's still August and the conventions nor debates have occurred yet.

Some of the uncertainty is due to the time left until the election. They ran the simulation assuming today was election day and Biden took 93 out of 100. 83 days.

[The Rich Port]

No we don't what the fuck haha

Well, maybe you don't, but it seems there are plenty of other people who do.

Um hello? Literally the entire business plan of the tobacco industry.

[Farnhamia]

Currently in Massachusetts there is an election occuring between Sen. Ed Markey and Rep. Joe Kennedy. My suspicion is that Joe Kennedy is going to win because he's probably going to raise more money in campaign donations.

This is a notable election because Joe Kennedy III is relatively new to politics whilst Ed Markey has been a long time incumbent in the Senate. However, it wouldn't be the first time in 2020 that a long-time incumbent has lost a particular seat.

What are your thoughts regarding this particular senate election?

Merged into the General Election Thread.

[The Reformed American Republic]

Currently in Massachusetts there is an election occuring between Sen. Ed Markey and Rep. Joe Kennedy. My suspicion is that Joe Kennedy is going to win because he's probably going to raise more money in campaign donations.

This is a notable election because Joe Kennedy III is relatively new to politics whilst Ed Markey has been a long time incumbent in the Senate. However, it wouldn't be the first time in 2020 that a long-time incumbent has lost a particular seat.

What are your thoughts regarding this particular senate election?

Merged into the General Election Thread.

Good. Delete my nation next plz.

[Shrillland]

Currently in Massachusetts there is an election occuring between Sen. Ed Markey and Rep. Joe Kennedy. My suspicion is that Joe Kennedy is going to win because he's probably going to raise more money in campaign donations.

This is a notable election because Joe Kennedy III is relatively new to politics whilst Ed Markey has been a long time incumbent in the Senate. However, it wouldn't be the first time in 2020 that a long-time incumbent has lost a particular seat.

What are your thoughts regarding this particular senate election?

My thoughts are that its close due to Kennedy's name alone, it seems, even though Markey's politics are more in line with most Bay Staters save for the more culturally conservative voters around Fall River and New Bedford. I think Kennedy has a good shot at winning myself.

[New haven america]

Because immigrants and minorities commit crimes to mock liberals, ok.

I am not saying that only immigrants and minorities commit crimes, or that they do so only to mock liberals. What I mean is that liberals and progressives want to let immigrant and minorities get away scot free just to show off how woke they are.

This statement just shows how much you don't understand left-wing ideas.

[The Emerald Legion]

I am not saying that only immigrants and minorities commit crimes, or that they do so only to mock liberals. What I mean is that liberals and progressives want to let immigrant and minorities get away scot free just to show off how woke they are.

This statement just shows how much you don't understand left-wing ideas.

Not really.

[Corrian]

Currently in Massachusetts there is an election occuring between Sen. Ed Markey and Rep. Joe Kennedy. My suspicion is that Joe Kennedy is going to win because he's probably going to raise more money in campaign donations.

This is a notable election because Joe Kennedy III is relatively new to politics whilst Ed Markey has been a long time incumbent in the Senate. However, it wouldn't be the first time in 2020 that a long-time incumbent has lost a particular seat.

What are your thoughts regarding this particular senate election?

My thoughts are that its close due to Kennedy's name alone, it seems, even though Markey's politics are more in line with most Bay Staters save for the more culturally conservative voters around Fall River and New Bedford. I think Kennedy has a good shot at winning myself.

Honestly house seats swapping around is one thing, a full on Senator would be a pretty big deal.

[Neutraligon]

This statement just shows how much you don't understand left-wing ideas.

Not really.

Yes really.

[No State Here]

Oh yeah because progressives will totally bring "real change" progressivism is just a left wing populism, if Trump's version didn't work, what makes you think the opposite would?

I linked this somewhere else, but the coronavirus has disproportionately affected countries with populist leaders, including right wing populists like Trump and Bolsonaro, and left wing populists like AMLO, and Oli.

The one notable exception is India under Modi, although I believe an Indian poster said on the other thread that their coronavirus response was mostly run by the state government with little to no interference from the central government.

It seems populism in general has had its flaws exposed more than ever now, especially since most populist leaders have a somewhat cultlike base, it inflated their ego to where they believe they can do no wrong.

Populism needs to go, it’s pretty much ruined the world

[Jedi Council]

Progressivism isn’t communism.

Jesus man do you really think that going back to the FDR style politics is communism?

FDR wasn't so bad, but what today's left-wing extemists want is far beyond anything FDR did.

Most of the things that the "left wing extremists" want would be fairly anodyne in other Western nations.

[San Lumen]

Currently in Massachusetts there is an election occuring between Sen. Ed Markey and Rep. Joe Kennedy. My suspicion is that Joe Kennedy is going to win because he's probably going to raise more money in campaign donations.

This is a notable election because Joe Kennedy III is relatively new to politics whilst Ed Markey has been a long time incumbent in the Senate. However, it wouldn't be the first time in 2020 that a long-time incumbent has lost a particular seat.

What are your thoughts regarding this particular senate election?

My thoughts are that its close due to Kennedy's name alone, it seems, even though Markey's politics are more in line with most Bay Staters save for the more culturally conservative voters around Fall River and New Bedford. I think Kennedy has a good shot at winning myself.

I don’t see why he’s primaring Markey. He hasn’t done anything egregious to justify it and has done good things for that state but that’s up to the voters to decide

[-Ra-]

FDR wasn't so bad, but what today's left-wing extemists want is far beyond anything FDR did.

Most of the things that the "left wing extremists" want would be fairly anodyne in other Western nations.

Left-wing extremism is Marxism-Leninism and anarcho-communism. You know, ideologies that have killed more people than fascism.

Most "left-wingers" in the Western world are admittedly moderate social democrats and welfare capitalists, but a growing number of them are coming to realise what leftism really is, and the problem is that they are coming to accept it wholesale.

[Jedi Council]

Most of the things that the "left wing extremists" want would be fairly anodyne in other Western nations.

Left-wing extremism is Marxism-Leninism and anarcho-communism. You know, ideologies that have killed more people than fascism.

Most "left-wingers" in the Western world are admittedly moderate social democrats and welfare capitalists, but a growing number of them are coming to realise what leftism really is, and the problem is that they are coming to accept it wholesale.

And would you like to name these proto-Stalins?

Because if your talking about AOC, Bernie or any of the usual suspects for the Right to smear, then you will have lost any credibility on the topic.

[-Ra-]

Left-wing extremism is Marxism-Leninism and anarcho-communism. You know, ideologies that have killed more people than fascism.

Most "left-wingers" in the Western world are admittedly moderate social democrats and welfare capitalists, but a growing number of them are coming to realise what leftism really is, and the problem is that they are coming to accept it wholesale.

And would you like to name these proto-Stalins?

Because if your talking about AOC, Bernie or any of the usual suspects for the Right to smear, then you will have lost any credibility on the topic.

Not all leftists are Stalinists, but the Left have historically sided with authoritarian and genocidal leftist regimes in the past. Just looking at Noam Chomsky's Khmer Rouge apologetics will tell you that much. AOC is a registered member of the socialist party. She is a radical outright. They're both "democratic" socialists, which isn't possible. That's like saying I'm a democratic authoritarian. Left-wing politics is by its nature authoritarian and controlling. Their ideas are just Trojan horses. People like Bernie or AOC put on this shiny veneer of "caring about the working class" or acceptance, but this is just an excuse for massive social control. We've seen in history so many times how supposedly "well-intentioned" leftist regimes have wrought chaos and killed thousands. This goes back to the creation of leftist thought in the French Revolution.

[Necroghastia]

And would you like to name these proto-Stalins?

Because if your talking about AOC, Bernie or any of the usual suspects for the Right to smear, then you will have lost any credibility on the topic.

Not all leftists are Stalinists, but the Left have historically sided with authoritarian and genocidal leftist regimes in the past. Just looking at Noam Chomsky's Khmer Rouge apologetics will tell you that much. AOC is a registered member of the socialist party. She is a radical outright. They're both "democratic" socialists, which isn't possible. That's like saying I'm a democratic authoritarian. Left-wing politics is by its nature authoritarian and controlling.

Ah yes, notoriously authoritarian policies like "gay people should be able to get married" and "we probs shouldn't outlaw weed" or even, egads, "people with vaginas have the right to decide if they want to be mothers."

Their ideas are just Trojan horses. People like Bernie or AOC put on this shiny veneer of "caring about the working class" or acceptance, but this is just an excuse for massive social control.

Like...?

We've seen in history so many times how supposedly "well-intentioned" leftist regimes have wrought chaos and killed thousands. This goes back to the creation of leftist thought in the French Revolution.

How many times do we have to explain to you that "leftist though" wasn't created then, the term left-wing was?

[Shrillland]

Another addition to the Plaza, and another stab at electoral reform.

North Dakota: The third proposal would be an electoral overhaul. Just like Alaska, North Dakota would switch to a top-four jungle primary with an RCV general election. The state would also place drawing legislative maps into the hands of the State Ethics Commission, which was created in 2018's Measure 1. Also, all ballots and audits in each election would require a paper trail to be made within 120 days of the vote by the Secretary of State, and all military and overseas voters would have to have their ballots sent out to them at least 61 days before the election.

[Major-Tom]

Oh yeah because progressives will totally bring "real change" progressivism is just a left wing populism, if Trump's version didn't work, what makes you think the opposite would?

I linked this somewhere else, but the coronavirus has disproportionately affected countries with populist leaders, including right wing populists like Trump and Bolsonaro, and left wing populists like AMLO, and Oli.

The one notable exception is India under Modi, although I believe an Indian poster said on the other thread that their coronavirus response was mostly run by the state government with little to no interference from the central government.

It seems populism in general has had its flaws exposed more than ever now, especially since most populist leaders have a somewhat cultlike base, it inflated their ego to where they believe they can do no wrong.

Damn son, that's actually a really good take.

[Borderlands of Rojava]

The way the news is celebrating Harris and singing her praises, you would think she was a Saint. It's pretty damn shameful shit and all but disproves that half the so called progressives support real progress. I saw people who a month ago were calling for justice for George Floyd backing a prosecutor who was probably one of the worst in Frisco history. And I think it goes to show that yes, the media is biased toward the president. Trump can be a bastard and the media can still be biased. It takes the form of them singing the praises of someone pretty horrible while getting on Trump for everything from things as bad as locking kids in cages to things as minor as calling Hillary Clinton a nasty woman. I truly do believe that if Harris was a republican and a trump supporter, the evil things she did in San Francisco would be front page news.

Issue is, if they report the truth about Harris (she's actually a scumbag), the many virtue signalers of America wouldn't be able to sleep at night trying to reconcile the cognitive dissonance of both supporting black lives matter and supporting Kamala Harris. Real change is too hard and scary for them, so they'd rather just say "we have a black woman as the veep so racism and sexism ahd evil and corruption are no more. Lets all go home and pretend that isn't a load of horse shit." As I said, pretty shameful. You can debate whether we should or should not vote for Biden, but it would be dishonest to say Kamala Harris hasn't ruined black lives or is a good person. She's a snake in the grass.

[Major-Tom]

No we don't what the fuck haha

Well, maybe you don't, but it seems there are plenty of other people who do.

That didn't answer my question.

[Borderlands of Rojava]

So we can go back to the status quo that led to things like the Floyd riots? Nah. We need real change and moderates are not going to do it.

Oh yeah because progressives will totally bring "real change" progressivism is just a left wing populism, if Trump's version didn't work, what makes you think the opposite would?

Everyone conveniently brings up "populism failed during covid" while ignoring how the status quo failed in Iraq, and failed during Katrina, and failed in our inner cities and failed in Israel.

[Major-Tom]

And would you like to name these proto-Stalins?

Because if your talking about AOC, Bernie or any of the usual suspects for the Right to smear, then you will have lost any credibility on the topic.

Not all leftists are Stalinists, but the Left have historically sided with authoritarian and genocidal leftist regimes in the past. Just looking at Noam Chomsky's Khmer Rouge apologetics will tell you that much. AOC is a registered member of the socialist party. She is a radical outright. They're both "democratic" socialists, which isn't possible. That's like saying I'm a democratic authoritarian. Left-wing politics is by its nature authoritarian and controlling. Their ideas are just Trojan horses. People like Bernie or AOC put on this shiny veneer of "caring about the working class" or acceptance, but this is just an excuse for massive social control. We've seen in history so many times how supposedly "well-intentioned" leftist regimes have wrought chaos and killed thousands. This goes back to the creation of leftist thought in the French Revolution.

That's such ridiculous cherrypicking. If you can pick a few left-wing dictators out of a hat, which you did, and call it a precedent, couldn't anyone else do the same with right-wing dictators and call it a precedent as well?

Like, you wanna critique the left from the vantage point of being a right-winger who can back up his opinions? That would be perfectly fine. But this shit? Absurd and unfounded.

So, you give a concrete example of, say, Bernie or AOC, expressly wanting authoritarian policies, then we can talk.

[Major-Tom]

Oh yeah because progressives will totally bring "real change" progressivism is just a left wing populism, if Trump's version didn't work, what makes you think the opposite would?

Everyone conveniently brings up "populism failed during covid" while ignoring how the status quo failed in Iraq, and failed during Katrina, and failed in our inner cities and failed in Israel.

To be fair, I think he's pointing out the failures of demagogic populism in the context of a pandemic. Given the lackluster responses of Bolsonaro, AMLO, Johnson early on, and especially Trump, the argument is there.

[Borderlands of Rojava]

Everyone conveniently brings up "populism failed during covid" while ignoring how the status quo failed in Iraq, and failed during Katrina, and failed in our inner cities and failed in Israel.

To be fair, I think he's pointing out the failures of demagogic populism in the context of a pandemic. Given the lackluster responses of Bolsonaro, AMLO, Johnson early on, and especially Trump, the argument is there.

The issue is that they're idiots. The choice isn't just "trump" or "back to George Bush."

[Major-Tom]

To be fair, I think he's pointing out the failures of demagogic populism in the context of a pandemic. Given the lackluster responses of Bolsonaro, AMLO, Johnson early on, and especially Trump, the argument is there.

The issue is that they're idiots. The choice isn't just "trump" or "back to George Bush."

Who's saying that?