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Of All The Parties With 50+ Electoral Votes of Ballot Access, Which Party Do You Prefer?

Republicans
73
23%
Democrats
111
35%
Libertarians
24
8%
Greens
59
19%
Constitution Party
12
4%
Alliance Party
4
1%
Socialism and Liberation
31
10%
 
Total votes : 314

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Borderlands of Rojava
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Democratic Socialists

Postby Borderlands of Rojava » Tue Aug 11, 2020 3:47 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Borderlands of Rojava wrote:
Yeah, I should vote for a crooked prosecutor and crooked cop instead. That'll bring real change.

No, you wanna know where ill be? Protesting. Like I did and will always do. I've lost faith in this system completely like millions of others, and Biden and Harris won't be any sort of savior.

A second trump term would be even worse


Once again, Trump has the news against him, and he is a disorganized dumbass. Harris is organized and the news has been basically praising her. I would rather have evil that is opposed by most than evil that is accepted by the powers that be entirely. We've been voting for lesser evils for years and look at the world.
The devil is out there. Hiding behind every corner and in every nook and cranny. In all of the dives, all over the city. Before you lays an entire world of enemies, and at day's end when the chips are down, we're a society of strangers. You cant walk by someone on the street anymore without crossing the road to get away from their stare. Welcome to the Twilight Zone. The land of plague and shadow. Nothing innocent survives this world. If it can't corrupt you, it'll kill you.

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Cisairse
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Postby Cisairse » Tue Aug 11, 2020 3:47 pm

Borderlands of Rojava wrote:No matter who wins this election, there will be cries of fraud, anger and vitriol.

Understand no matter who you vote for that there is no happy ending to this. There's no way this plays out where we all live happily ever after and the world is saved from the brink. 2021 onward is probably gonna be more of 2020, whether it's Biden or Trump. Just hope everyone knows that so they aren't disappointed when things don't turn out so great.

Hence my ongoing plan to learn Finnish and eventually escape by raft to Helsinki and claim political refugee status
Now it's clear as a pillar of smoke
The details of the above post are subject to leftist infighting.

And broken Starbucks glass

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Outer Sparta
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Liberal Democratic Socialists

Postby Outer Sparta » Tue Aug 11, 2020 3:48 pm

Cisairse wrote:
Tyrassueb wrote:Not voting this year. The area I live in won't vote for anyone on the ticket that I would prefer, my state will go Biden-Harris though since it's nowhere near what one would call "a swing state" and I get to have the worst of both situations - local politicians doing stuff I hate and federal politicians doing stuff I hate. Least I can do is make my voice heard via not voting.

I encourage you to vote for someone you'd find palatable, even if they have no chance of winning.

Turnout is so low in the United States that not voting is seen as the default, not a protest.

What's with people in this chat not voting this year? Voting third party is better than not voting at all.
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No State Here
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Anarchy

Postby No State Here » Tue Aug 11, 2020 3:48 pm

Who’s excited for 4 more years of Trump? I know I’m not!

Biden had so much momentum, a screwed up pandemic, and positioning himself as the BLM candidate… until he picked the very embodiment of what BLM claims to be protesting against.

Not like I was going to vote for him anyways, just an observation
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New haven america
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Left-Leaning College State

Postby New haven america » Tue Aug 11, 2020 3:48 pm

Cisairse wrote:
Borderlands of Rojava wrote:No matter who wins this election, there will be cries of fraud, anger and vitriol.

Understand no matter who you vote for that there is no happy ending to this. There's no way this plays out where we all live happily ever after and the world is saved from the brink. 2021 onward is probably gonna be more of 2020, whether it's Biden or Trump. Just hope everyone knows that so they aren't disappointed when things don't turn out so great.

Hence my ongoing plan to learn Finnish and eventually escape by raft to Helsinki and claim political refugee status

Finland doesn't like immigrants or refugees.

Same goes for basically the entirety of Europe.
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Borderlands of Rojava
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Democratic Socialists

Postby Borderlands of Rojava » Tue Aug 11, 2020 3:48 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Tyrassueb wrote:Not voting this year. The area I live in won't vote for anyone on the ticket that I would prefer, my state will go Biden-Harris though since it's nowhere near what one would call "a swing state" and I get to have the worst of both situations - local politicians doing stuff I hate and federal politicians doing stuff I hate. Least I can do is make my voice heard via not voting.

Not voting doesn’t make your voice heard


You see people like myself protest. Our voices get heard more than people who just vote and go home because we literally are out there yelling in microphones.

Your voice won't be heard by just playing along in the monopoly game called American elections. It aint like that.
The devil is out there. Hiding behind every corner and in every nook and cranny. In all of the dives, all over the city. Before you lays an entire world of enemies, and at day's end when the chips are down, we're a society of strangers. You cant walk by someone on the street anymore without crossing the road to get away from their stare. Welcome to the Twilight Zone. The land of plague and shadow. Nothing innocent survives this world. If it can't corrupt you, it'll kill you.

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San Lumen
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Civil Rights Lovefest

Postby San Lumen » Tue Aug 11, 2020 3:49 pm

Cisairse wrote:
Borderlands of Rojava wrote:No matter who wins this election, there will be cries of fraud, anger and vitriol.

Understand no matter who you vote for that there is no happy ending to this. There's no way this plays out where we all live happily ever after and the world is saved from the brink. 2021 onward is probably gonna be more of 2020, whether it's Biden or Trump. Just hope everyone knows that so they aren't disappointed when things don't turn out so great.

Hence my ongoing plan to learn Finnish and eventually escape by raft to Helsinki and claim political refugee status

Enjoy Finland. It’s a nice country but political refugee status is hard to prove

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Dresderstan
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Founded: Jan 18, 2016
Inoffensive Centrist Democracy

Postby Dresderstan » Tue Aug 11, 2020 3:49 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Borderlands of Rojava wrote:
Yeah, I should vote for a crooked prosecutor and crooked cop instead. That'll bring real change.

No, you wanna know where ill be? Protesting. Like I did and will always do. I've lost faith in this system completely like millions of others, and Biden and Harris won't be any sort of savior.

A second trump term would be even worse

According to you.

San Lumen wrote:
Tyrassueb wrote:Not voting this year. The area I live in won't vote for anyone on the ticket that I would prefer, my state will go Biden-Harris though since it's nowhere near what one would call "a swing state" and I get to have the worst of both situations - local politicians doing stuff I hate and federal politicians doing stuff I hate. Least I can do is make my voice heard via not voting.

Not voting doesn’t make your voice heard

Yes it does, it says "None of you are to my liking, fuck off out of my face"
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The media is into propaganda not actual news or journalism.
2020 is not "The worst year ever like oh my God" stop being so hyperbolic, you said this last year and the year before, trust me there are way worse years than 2020.

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Civil Rights Lovefest

Postby Cannot think of a name » Tue Aug 11, 2020 3:49 pm

Cisairse wrote:
Borderlands of Rojava wrote:No matter who wins this election, there will be cries of fraud, anger and vitriol.

Understand no matter who you vote for that there is no happy ending to this. There's no way this plays out where we all live happily ever after and the world is saved from the brink. 2021 onward is probably gonna be more of 2020, whether it's Biden or Trump. Just hope everyone knows that so they aren't disappointed when things don't turn out so great.

Hence my ongoing plan to learn Finnish and eventually escape by raft to Helsinki and claim political refugee status

Did you have to crash so many planes, though?


If you're not making the reference I think you're making that made no sense...
Everything for the cat.

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Borderlands of Rojava
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Founded: Jul 27, 2020
Democratic Socialists

Postby Borderlands of Rojava » Tue Aug 11, 2020 3:49 pm

Outer Sparta wrote:
Cisairse wrote:I encourage you to vote for someone you'd find palatable, even if they have no chance of winning.

Turnout is so low in the United States that not voting is seen as the default, not a protest.

What's with people in this chat not voting this year? Voting third party is better than not voting at all.


I am actually voting this year.

Write in candidate Bryant moreland
The devil is out there. Hiding behind every corner and in every nook and cranny. In all of the dives, all over the city. Before you lays an entire world of enemies, and at day's end when the chips are down, we're a society of strangers. You cant walk by someone on the street anymore without crossing the road to get away from their stare. Welcome to the Twilight Zone. The land of plague and shadow. Nothing innocent survives this world. If it can't corrupt you, it'll kill you.

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Telconi
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Civil Rights Lovefest

Postby Telconi » Tue Aug 11, 2020 3:49 pm

Outer Sparta wrote:
Cisairse wrote:I encourage you to vote for someone you'd find palatable, even if they have no chance of winning.

Turnout is so low in the United States that not voting is seen as the default, not a protest.

What's with people in this chat not voting this year? Voting third party is better than not voting at all.


Voting for people you disagree with isn't something everyone cares to do.
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Postby Cisairse » Tue Aug 11, 2020 3:50 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Cisairse wrote:Hence my ongoing plan to learn Finnish and eventually escape by raft to Helsinki and claim political refugee status

Enjoy Finland. It’s a nice country but political refugee status is hard to prove

You say that now, just you wait for 2022
Now it's clear as a pillar of smoke
The details of the above post are subject to leftist infighting.

And broken Starbucks glass

Yeah, I support my troops
They wave black flags
They wear black masks

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Postby Thermodolia » Tue Aug 11, 2020 3:50 pm

Outer Sparta wrote:
Borderlands of Rojava wrote:
I voted for bernie. I would have voted for yang or Warren or gabbard too. I originally wanted Richard Ojeda. I was willing to compromise with biden if he picked Warren or duckworth. Instead he did this, so I'm not voting. I think it's been made abundantly clear that many people would rather virtue signal about wanting change than actually taking steps toward it.

Supported Warren, but will vote Biden regardless.

I supported Sanders. I’ll be voting Biden, begrudgingly. But with the hope that with a more progressive congress it will be easier to get progressive things passed with Biden in charge than Trump
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Postby Cisairse » Tue Aug 11, 2020 3:50 pm

New haven america wrote:
Cisairse wrote:Hence my ongoing plan to learn Finnish and eventually escape by raft to Helsinki and claim political refugee status

Finland doesn't like immigrants or refugees.

Same goes for basically the entirety of Europe.

My plan is to be admitted to a college there and work my way to citizenship over the course of 7 years
Now it's clear as a pillar of smoke
The details of the above post are subject to leftist infighting.

And broken Starbucks glass

Yeah, I support my troops
They wave black flags
They wear black masks

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Left-Leaning College State

Postby New haven america » Tue Aug 11, 2020 3:50 pm

Borderlands of Rojava wrote:
San Lumen wrote:Not voting doesn’t make your voice heard


You see people like myself protest. Our voices get heard more than people who just vote and go home because we literally are out there yelling in microphones.

Your voice won't be heard by just playing along in the monopoly game called American elections. It aint like that.

Yes, that is generally how it works. Generally you want to protest and then vote for those who can better your interests. See the Civil Rights Movement and JFK/LBJ's ascension to power.

This is the problem with modern protesters, a lack of organization both within and outside the system.
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Postby San Lumen » Tue Aug 11, 2020 3:51 pm

Borderlands of Rojava wrote:
Outer Sparta wrote:What's with people in this chat not voting this year? Voting third party is better than not voting at all.


I am actually voting this year.

Write in candidate Bryant moreland

And that’s how Trump wins Michigan again

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Postby New haven america » Tue Aug 11, 2020 3:51 pm

Cisairse wrote:
New haven america wrote:Finland doesn't like immigrants or refugees.

Same goes for basically the entirety of Europe.

My plan is to be admitted to a college there and work my way to citizenship over the course of 7 years

lol, Finland doesn't provide regulated prices for college for non-citizens, you'll be paying full price.
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Postby Cannot think of a name » Tue Aug 11, 2020 3:52 pm

Dresderstan wrote:
San Lumen wrote:A second trump term would be even worse

According to you.

San Lumen wrote:Not voting doesn’t make your voice heard

Yes it does, it says "None of you are to my liking, fuck off out of my face"

You're written off as apathetic, your lack of a vote for 'principled' reasons just goes in the pile of non-voters who didn't vote because they didn't feel like it weren't engaged whatever.

Collective action gets the goods, personal protests just get you laid in college.
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Postby Outer Sparta » Tue Aug 11, 2020 3:52 pm

Borderlands of Rojava wrote:
Outer Sparta wrote:What's with people in this chat not voting this year? Voting third party is better than not voting at all.


I am actually voting this year.

Write in candidate Bryant moreland

Who?
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Postby Repubblica Fascista Sociale Italiana » Tue Aug 11, 2020 3:52 pm

Borderlands of Rojava wrote:
Outer Sparta wrote:And who would you vote? Based on your views, Biden was never going to get your note no matter the VP choice.


I voted for bernie. I would have voted for yang or Warren or gabbard too. I originally wanted Richard Ojeda. I was willing to compromise with biden if he picked Warren or duckworth. Instead he did this, so I'm not voting. I think it's been made abundantly clear that many people would rather virtue signal about wanting change than actually taking steps toward it.

Major Ojeda is one of the few people I genuinely respect in US politics, although that might be an "army brotherhood" thing
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Inoffensive Centrist Democracy

Postby Dresderstan » Tue Aug 11, 2020 3:52 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Borderlands of Rojava wrote:
I am actually voting this year.

Write in candidate Bryant moreland

And that’s how Trump wins Michigan again

No it won't because one vote does not fucking matter.
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2020 is not "The worst year ever like oh my God" stop being so hyperbolic, you said this last year and the year before, trust me there are way worse years than 2020.

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Postby Saiwania » Tue Aug 11, 2020 3:52 pm

San Lumen wrote:A second trump term would be even worse


The next sane or presidential president will have more to undo because of Trump's disorder and chaos but on the flip side, there would be no worries about gun control. Biden was for the 90s crime bill, Harris was for it, so they're on the same page. Just that Harris checks all the boxes in terms of what Democrats want superficially. A Black Minority Woman. It makes sense now why Biden picked her.

Will it help or hurt him more, remains to be seen.

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Tokora
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Democratic Socialists

Postby Tokora » Tue Aug 11, 2020 3:52 pm

Borderlands of Rojava wrote:
Tokora wrote:If Trump does manage to get the DHS to stand by polling places in November in areas he's unpopular, is there any chance that governors will use the national guard to prevent voter intimidation?


Sounds like the time Maryland used the national guard to guard its N-95 masks from federal agents sent by Trump to take them.

Think they'd do the same to protect the ballots?

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Civil Rights Lovefest

Postby Cisairse » Tue Aug 11, 2020 3:53 pm

New haven america wrote:
Cisairse wrote:My plan is to be admitted to a college there and work my way to citizenship over the course of 7 years

lol, Finland doesn't provide regulated prices for college for non-citizens, you'll be paying full price.

Some large companies will subsidize all of the cost. I'd be pursuing either a graduate program or a doctorate anyway, so it would be less expensive than a typical 4-year degree.
Now it's clear as a pillar of smoke
The details of the above post are subject to leftist infighting.

And broken Starbucks glass

Yeah, I support my troops
They wave black flags
They wear black masks

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Thermodolia
Khan of Spam
 
Posts: 60956
Founded: Oct 07, 2011
Civil Rights Lovefest

Postby Thermodolia » Tue Aug 11, 2020 3:54 pm

New haven america wrote:
Cisairse wrote:Hence my ongoing plan to learn Finnish and eventually escape by raft to Helsinki and claim political refugee status

Finland doesn't like immigrants or refugees.

Same goes for basically the entirety of Europe.

Well except for France, though you’d have to join the Légion Étrangère which is the marines on steroids
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