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2020 US General Election Thread VII: Summer of Discontent

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Of All The Parties With 50+ Electoral Votes of Ballot Access, Which Party Do You Prefer?

Republicans
73
23%
Democrats
111
35%
Libertarians
24
8%
Greens
59
19%
Constitution Party
12
4%
Alliance Party
4
1%
Socialism and Liberation
31
10%
 
Total votes : 314

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Postby Major-Tom » Mon Aug 10, 2020 12:42 pm

Telconi wrote:
United States of Devonta wrote:
^^^

Case n' point. No denial. At least you don't run away from your authoritarian nature.


Preventing human rights abuses are authoritarian!

Ironic...


I'm confused, in what capacity are we talking about human rights abuses?

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Postby San Lumen » Mon Aug 10, 2020 12:43 pm

Major-Tom wrote:
Telconi wrote:
Preventing human rights abuses are authoritarian!

Ironic...


I'm confused, in what capacity are we talking about human rights abuses?

Telconi thinks that anyone who disagrees with him is involved in some mass conspiracy to screw over his little town

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Postby United States of Devonta » Mon Aug 10, 2020 12:48 pm

Telconi wrote:
United States of Devonta wrote:
Mail is delivered everyday. Not every three days.

The USPS is a public utility more then a business and should act in a capacity that allows for a quick election count.


Except for Sundays, holidays, etc.

Their job is to deliver mail, not run an election. There's no reason they ought to be prioritizing standard rate mail over any other standard rate mail.


That's why I specified weekdays. But thanks for that. You tried.

Actually, delivering ballots is covered by "delivering mail". The election is run by every states SOS, even if it is primarily done by mail. So your're wrong again. And yes, the USPS can be used and has been used as a tool for elections forever. Including in many states like Colorado. So try again, it already operated in that capacity before, now Republicans are trying to sabotage it.

But again, your motives are bad, as you've already admitted. So you're fine with being wrong.
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Postby Dresderstan » Mon Aug 10, 2020 12:50 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Major-Tom wrote:
I'm confused, in what capacity are we talking about human rights abuses?

Telconi thinks that anyone who disagrees with him is involved in some mass conspiracy to screw over his little town

So? You certainly think anyone who disagrees with you is a monster who hates democracy, fun and a traitor.

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Postby United States of Devonta » Mon Aug 10, 2020 12:51 pm

Major-Tom wrote:
Telconi wrote:
Preventing human rights abuses are authoritarian!

Ironic...


I'm confused, in what capacity are we talking about human rights abuses?


Funny he said "human rights abuses". Belarus's leader has violated human rights for years and has actively rigged elections against his opponents. Telconi supports this very thing.

Ironic...
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Postby Telconi » Mon Aug 10, 2020 12:55 pm

United States of Devonta wrote:
Telconi wrote:
Except for Sundays, holidays, etc.

Their job is to deliver mail, not run an election. There's no reason they ought to be prioritizing standard rate mail over any other standard rate mail.


That's why I specified weekdays. But thanks for that. You tried.

Actually, delivering ballots is covered by "delivering mail". The election is run by every states SOS, even if it is primarily done by mail. So your're wrong again. And yes, the USPS can be used and has been used as a tool for elections forever. Including in many states like Colorado. So try again, it already operated in that capacity before, now Republicans are trying to sabotage it.

But again, your motives are bad, as you've already admitted. So you're fine with being wrong.


You didn't, "everyday" is literally in your post.

Yes, delivering ballots is delivering mail. And? Did the USPS say they wouldn't deliver ballots?

Oh, no, I very much dislike being wrong.
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Postby Cannot think of a name » Mon Aug 10, 2020 12:59 pm

This thread takes to bait like an overstocked trout pond.
"...I have been gravely disappointed with the white moderate. I have almost reached the regrettable conclusion that the Negro's great stumbling block in the stride toward freedom is not the White Citizen's Council-er or the Ku Klux Klanner, but the white moderate who is more devoted to "order" than to justice; who prefers a negative peace which is the absence of tension to a positive peace which is the presence of justice; who constantly says "I agree with you in the goal you seek, but I can't agree with your methods of direct action;" who paternalistically feels he can set the timetable for another man's freedom; who lives by the myth of time and who constantly advises the Negro to wait until a "more convenient season." -MLK Jr.

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Postby Shrillland » Mon Aug 10, 2020 1:02 pm

Cannot think of a name wrote:This thread takes to bait like an overstocked trout pond.


It's not merely bait, my good CTOAN. I live in an area where Tel's line of thought is commonplace among people.
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Postby United States of Devonta » Mon Aug 10, 2020 1:03 pm

Telconi wrote:
United States of Devonta wrote:
That's why I specified weekdays. But thanks for that. You tried.

Actually, delivering ballots is covered by "delivering mail". The election is run by every states SOS, even if it is primarily done by mail. So your're wrong again. And yes, the USPS can be used and has been used as a tool for elections forever. Including in many states like Colorado. So try again, it already operated in that capacity before, now Republicans are trying to sabotage it.

But again, your motives are bad, as you've already admitted. So you're fine with being wrong.


You didn't, "everyday" is literally in your post.

Yes, delivering ballots is delivering mail. And? Did the USPS say they wouldn't deliver ballots?

Oh, no, I very much dislike being wrong.


My original post specifies "three weekdays" and yes it took three weekdays. No holidays either. Not to mention, we didn't even get regular mail.

They have acted for years to have clean, fair, and expedient ballot deliveries. And have helped carried elections in many mail-in voting states. So you were wrong when you said it wasn't part of their job. In fact, it has been for years. And new rules have made said process harder. Even USPS workers have spoke up.

Apparently not. I guess unparalleled dislike for people who disagree with you can cause an illogical thought process. Who would of thought?
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Postby Cannot think of a name » Mon Aug 10, 2020 1:03 pm

Shrillland wrote:
Cannot think of a name wrote:This thread takes to bait like an overstocked trout pond.


It's not merely bait, my good CTOAN. I live in an area where Tel's line of thought is commonplace among people.

Ah, you think he’ll continue in good faith.

Well, good luck with that.
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Postby United States of Devonta » Mon Aug 10, 2020 1:04 pm

Shrillland wrote:
Cannot think of a name wrote:This thread takes to bait like an overstocked trout pond.


It's not merely bait, my good CTOAN. I live in an area where Tel's line of thought is commonplace among people.


I don't think you can call it "thought".
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Postby Shrillland » Mon Aug 10, 2020 1:07 pm

Cannot think of a name wrote:
Shrillland wrote:
It's not merely bait, my good CTOAN. I live in an area where Tel's line of thought is commonplace among people.

Ah, you think he’ll continue in good faith.

Well, good luck with that.


Good faith? Not really, no. But you and I have both been around here long enough to know when even those in bad faith are being honest.
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Postby Cannot think of a name » Mon Aug 10, 2020 1:12 pm

Shrillland wrote:
Cannot think of a name wrote:Ah, you think he’ll continue in good faith.

Well, good luck with that.


Good faith? Not really, no. But you and I have both been around here long enough to know when even those in bad faith are being honest.

Not sure what difference that's supposed to make, but now we're in the trap where bitching about someone who drags the thread is in itself a drag, so if you cats want to dry hump Telconi and think that will not just be doing donuts, knock yourselves out.
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Postby Shrillland » Mon Aug 10, 2020 1:18 pm

Cannot think of a name wrote:
Shrillland wrote:
Good faith? Not really, no. But you and I have both been around here long enough to know when even those in bad faith are being honest.

Not sure what difference that's supposed to make, but now we're in the trap where bitching about someone who drags the thread is in itself a drag, so if you cats want to dry hump Telconi and think that will not just be doing donuts, knock yourselves out.


Fair enough...let's see what we've got news wise....

Well, Trump narrowed his convention speech locale to either the South Lawn or Gettysburg: https://www.foxnews.com/politics/trump-convention-speech-white-house-gettysburg
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Postby Necroghastia » Mon Aug 10, 2020 1:32 pm

Telconi wrote:
United States of Devonta wrote:
^^^

Case n' point. No denial. At least you don't run away from your authoritarian nature.


Preventing human rights abuses are authoritarian!

Ironic...

Yeah, it is ironic that you are saying that while literally advocating for election fraud.
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Postby Farnhamia » Mon Aug 10, 2020 1:33 pm

Shrillland wrote:
Cannot think of a name wrote:Not sure what difference that's supposed to make, but now we're in the trap where bitching about someone who drags the thread is in itself a drag, so if you cats want to dry hump Telconi and think that will not just be doing donuts, knock yourselves out.


Fair enough...let's see what we've got news wise....

Well, Trump narrowed his convention speech locale to either the South Lawn or Gettysburg: https://www.foxnews.com/politics/trump-convention-speech-white-house-gettysburg

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Postby Telconi » Mon Aug 10, 2020 1:36 pm

Necroghastia wrote:
Telconi wrote:
Preventing human rights abuses are authoritarian!

Ironic...

Yeah, it is ironic that you are saying that while literally advocating for election fraud.


Don't see it.
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Postby Necroghastia » Mon Aug 10, 2020 1:39 pm

Telconi wrote:
Necroghastia wrote:Yeah, it is ironic that you are saying that while literally advocating for election fraud.


Don't see it.


Telconi wrote:
Zurkerx wrote:
Well we shouldn't be surprised: the USPS has been strapped of cash. Not only that, we do have an administration suspected of rigging system in their favor- by making it as difficult as possible to vote. If Republicans lose in spite of this, I can guarantee you that Democrats will seek political vengeance; we may very well see some people going to prison.



Not necessarily: they can try to cheat, which may/may not be successful. I'm convinced they won't be as successful as they think they will be. Simply put it, if they cheat and fail and get caught, the GOP will royally suffer.


What real reason is there to avoid cheating, or at least attempting to cheat?


Why'd you even come back if you're going to make even poorer quality lies? C'mon, man.
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Postby Telconi » Mon Aug 10, 2020 1:42 pm

Necroghastia wrote:
Telconi wrote:
Don't see it.


Telconi wrote:
What real reason is there to avoid cheating, or at least attempting to cheat?


Why'd you even come back if you're going to make even poorer quality lies? C'mon, man.


Perhaps you don't think it's a good lie, because it's not a lie?
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-Foreign Entanglements
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Postby Necroghastia » Mon Aug 10, 2020 1:45 pm

Telconi wrote:
Necroghastia wrote:


Why'd you even come back if you're going to make even poorer quality lies? C'mon, man.


Perhaps you don't think it's a good lie, because it's not a lie?

So cheating in an election is not a human rights abuse?
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Postby Telconi » Mon Aug 10, 2020 1:45 pm

Necroghastia wrote:
Telconi wrote:
Perhaps you don't think it's a good lie, because it's not a lie?

So cheating in an election is not a human rights abuse?


No.
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ANTI:
-Racism
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-Bigotry In All Forms
-Government Overreach
-Government Surveillance
-Freedom For Security Social Transactions
-Unnecessary Taxes
-Excessively Specific Government Programs
-Foreign Entanglements
-Religious Extremism
-Fascists Masquerading as "Social Justice Warriors"

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Postby Necroghastia » Mon Aug 10, 2020 1:47 pm

Telconi wrote:
Necroghastia wrote:So cheating in an election is not a human rights abuse?


No.

How anti-American of you.
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Postby Telconi » Mon Aug 10, 2020 1:47 pm

Necroghastia wrote:
Telconi wrote:
No.

How anti-American of you.


What meaningless drivel.
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-Racism
-Sexism
-Bigotry In All Forms
-Government Overreach
-Government Surveillance
-Freedom For Security Social Transactions
-Unnecessary Taxes
-Excessively Specific Government Programs
-Foreign Entanglements
-Religious Extremism
-Fascists Masquerading as "Social Justice Warriors"

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Postby Necroghastia » Mon Aug 10, 2020 1:50 pm

Telconi wrote:
Necroghastia wrote:How anti-American of you.


What meaningless drivel.

Fine, how about "how limited government, freedom of speech, and freedom of association of you."

Because those three things are inextricably tied to open and honest elections.
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Postby Telconi » Mon Aug 10, 2020 1:52 pm

Necroghastia wrote:
Telconi wrote:
What meaningless drivel.

Fine, how about "how limited government, freedom of speech, and freedom of association of you."

Because those three things are inextricably tied to open and honest elections.


*shrug* Reasonable limitations on freedoms are a necessary part of any society.
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-Bigotry In All Forms
-Government Overreach
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-Freedom For Security Social Transactions
-Unnecessary Taxes
-Excessively Specific Government Programs
-Foreign Entanglements
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