2020 US General Election Thread VII: Summer of Discontent

[Nobel Hobos 2]

Oh yeah because Trump has been so fucking effective against China.

One doesn't need to be effective to be a nuisance. Tell me, do you think that Biden will be a worthy foe against China?
If so, why didn't he push against them as a senator or as VP?

Remind me what Trump said about China, four years ago ..?

[The Rich Port]

Nice contradiction. So we have an ineffective nuisance in the White House.

If only he was a nuisance ONLY to China instead of HUMANITY AS A WHOLE.

I don't give a shit. Whatever plan he has is better than what Trump is doing right now and it doesn't mean torching the US and turning it into the same corporate shit-hole China is in order to compete.

Stop comparing the US to China. We don't want to be more like China.

I recommend caution in saying Biden's plan will be better. For most of his career, he did nothing, and so we can expect him to continue doing nothing against China.
What comparison have I made between the US and China, anyways? What does Trump's domestic policy have to do with foreign policy?

That's rich coming from a guy who said he would suck on Xi Jingping's nipples.

Yeah, and now Trump has been doing WORSE THAN NOTHING.

Also ahem... You mean the domestic policy of "American immune systems are genetically superior to Chinese immune systems to it's fine"?

Explain you to me how the fuck ANYTHING Trump has done has hampered Chinese economic hegemony. He has only made things WORSE for America.

[Repubblica Fascista Sociale Italiana]

The fact of the matter is... None of these countries should be having a fucking say in our elections, but Trump is letting them.

That’s literally what I said though.

[Kexholm and Karelia]

If China's backing Biden, that's a stupid move on their part. No one's done a better job at dismantling US alliances than Trump, clearing the path for China to get closer to Europe/"shithole countries." There's a reason Trump is nicknamed the "nation-builder" in China.

It's obviously a ploy.

China backs Biden to confuse people and rally them against Biden in support of Trump, specifically the people who don't care that Russia is backing him. It's black flag 101. And of course, Kex, Davincia and Fascism fell for it hook line and stinker, as do most people who supposedly don't support Trump but would rather him win than Biden.

I support Trump, it’s in my sig

[Northern Davincia]

One doesn't need to be effective to be a nuisance. Tell me, do you think that Biden will be a worthy foe against China?
If so, why didn't he push against them as a senator or as VP?

Remind me what Trump said about China, four years ago ..?

Whatever it was, he's saying very different things now. Sometimes, he even acts on it.

I recommend caution in saying Biden's plan will be better. For most of his career, he did nothing, and so we can expect him to continue doing nothing against China.
What comparison have I made between the US and China, anyways? What does Trump's domestic policy have to do with foreign policy?

That's rich coming from a guy who said he would suck on Xi Jingping's nipples.

Yeah, and now Trump has been doing WORSE THAN NOTHING.

Also ahem... You mean the domestic policy of "American immune systems are genetically superior to Chinese immune systems to it's fine"?

Explain you to me how the fuck ANYTHING Trump has done has hampered Chinese economic hegemony. He has only made things WORSE for America.

First off, what the hell are you accusing me of? I never said anything like that about Xi.
Believe it or not, the tariffs have indeed negatively affected the Chinese economy. Making things worse for America was a given since we are dependent on Chinese exports.
Which is something the neoliberals, like Biden, are responsible for.

[The Rich Port]

Remind me what Trump said about China, four years ago ..?

Whatever it was, he's saying very different things now. Sometimes, he even acts on it.

That's rich coming from a guy who said he would suck on Xi Jingping's nipples.

Yeah, and now Trump has been doing WORSE THAN NOTHING.

Also ahem... You mean the domestic policy of "American immune systems are genetically superior to Chinese immune systems to it's fine"?

Explain you to me how the fuck ANYTHING Trump has done has hampered Chinese economic hegemony. He has only made things WORSE for America.

First off, what the hell are you accusing me of? I never said anything like that about Xi.
Believe it or not, the tariffs have indeed negatively affected the Chinese economy. Making things worse for America was a given since we are dependent on Chinese exports.
Which is something the neoliberals, like Biden, are responsible for.

Whatever he said back then it's different now sometimes he even acts upon it hahaha

Yeah, how have they made things worse for China?

Because they seem to still be dominating economics in Asia and Europe while America flounders in the water, dealing with this stupid virus Trump ignored, while the conservative electorate drift ever farther into fascism while those same fascists have cuddle puddles.

How nice that you can support shitty weak leaders with impunity and that makes you right. The fascist standards for leaders must be Mariana Trench levels.

[Aureumterra]

Whatever it was, he's saying very different things now. Sometimes, he even acts on it.

First off, what the hell are you accusing me of? I never said anything like that about Xi.
Believe it or not, the tariffs have indeed negatively affected the Chinese economy. Making things worse for America was a given since we are dependent on Chinese exports.
Which is something the neoliberals, like Biden, are responsible for.

Yeah, how have they made things worse for China?

Because they seem to still be dominating economics in Asia and Europe while America flounders in the water, dealing with this stupid virus Trump ignored, while the conservative electorate drift ever farther into fascism while those same fascists have cuddle puddles.

How nice that you can support shitty weak leaders with impunity and that makes you right. The fascist standards for leaders must be Mariana Trench levels.

I don’t think you know what fascism is

[The Rich Port]

Yeah, how have they made things worse for China?

Because they seem to still be dominating economics in Asia and Europe while America flounders in the water, dealing with this stupid virus Trump ignored, while the conservative electorate drift ever farther into fascism while those same fascists have cuddle puddles.

How nice that you can support shitty weak leaders with impunity and that makes you right. The fascist standards for leaders must be Mariana Trench levels.

I don’t think you know what fascism is

It's when 170,000 people die from a virus that is going to go away one day like a miracle, apparently.

[Aureumterra]

I don’t think you know what fascism is

It's when 170,000 people die from a virus that is going to go away one day like a miracle, apparently.

What?

[Nobel Hobos 2]

Remind me what Trump said about China, four years ago ..?

Whatever it was, he's saying very different things now. Sometimes, he even acts on it.

OK, but you're hold Biden responsible for things he said and did, four years ago or more.

But when I suggest applying the same standard to Trump, you'll be like "circumstances have changed" or some such.

[Czechostan]

Hurting American consumers more doesn't mean Chinese consumers aren't being hurt at all. Biden is likely to lower tariffs and make half-hearted attempts at isolating China.

Eh, China couldn't care less if their consumers are being hurt. Not like they live in a democracy where they'll just vote out the government for being inept. It's an authoritarian capitalist state in it for the long haul.

Biden's likely half-hearted attempts at isolating China don't compare to the Trump's wholehearted attempts at isolating the US. China will be seen as a more reliable ally to many countries than the US if Trump keeps doing what he's doing.

[Nobel Hobos 2]

It's when 170,000 people die from a virus that is going to go away one day like a miracle, apparently.

What?

"like a miracle" -- Donald Trump

[The Rich Port]

It's when 170,000 people die from a virus that is going to go away one day like a miracle, apparently.

What?

Why don't you explain to me what the fuck this is then, because whatever Trump is doing, it's not republican or democratic.

But then you would have to have a coherent, cohesive position instead of tap-dancing around the issue of having a senile racist in the White House.

[Aureumterra]

What?

Why don't you explain to me what the fuck this is then, because whatever Trump is doing, it's not republican or democratic.

But then you would have to have a coherent, cohesive position instead of tap-dancing around the issue of having a senile racist in the White House.

I still don’t know how this relates to fascism, but you do you

[The Rich Port]

Why don't you explain to me what the fuck this is then, because whatever Trump is doing, it's not republican or democratic.

But then you would have to have a coherent, cohesive position instead of tap-dancing around the issue of having a senile racist in the White House.

I still don’t know how this relates to fascism, but you do you

That's more of a you not knowing much about politics problem.

Worry about Iceland instead of America, you're not doing a very good job with the nationalism, last I checked the Icelandic National Front has zero seats.

[Cordel One]

Hurting American consumers more doesn't mean Chinese consumers aren't being hurt at all. Biden is likely to lower tariffs and make half-hearted attempts at isolating China.

Eh, China couldn't care less if their consumers are being hurt. Not like they live in a democracy where they'll just vote out the government for being inept. It's an authoritarian capitalist state in it for the long haul.

Biden's likely half-hearted attempts at isolating China don't compare to the Trump's wholehearted attempts at isolating the US. China will be seen as a more reliable ally to many countries than the US if Trump keeps doing what he's doing.

The U.S. has been in a slow decline for decades. China's on track to become the next dominant capitalist hegemon, but if they don't take that position from us someone else inevitably will.

[Czechostan]

Eh, China couldn't care less if their consumers are being hurt. Not like they live in a democracy where they'll just vote out the government for being inept. It's an authoritarian capitalist state in it for the long haul.

Biden's likely half-hearted attempts at isolating China don't compare to the Trump's wholehearted attempts at isolating the US. China will be seen as a more reliable ally to many countries than the US if Trump keeps doing what he's doing.

The U.S. has been in a slow decline for decades. China's on track to become the next dominant capitalist hegemon, but if they don't take that position from us someone else inevitably will.

Yeah. Trump acts like he's the remedy, but all he's doing is hastening the decline.

[The Rich Port]

The U.S. has been in a slow decline for decades. China's on track to become the next dominant capitalist hegemon, but if they don't take that position from us someone else inevitably will.

Yeah. Trump acts like he's the remedy, but all he's doing is hastening the decline.

Forget Trump acting like he's a remedy, everyone in this thread who ostensibly supports him (whether they have the shamelessness to say it or not) has failed to explain how he is a remedy.

And yet, people are still going to vote for him.

[Northern Davincia]

Whatever it was, he's saying very different things now. Sometimes, he even acts on it.

First off, what the hell are you accusing me of? I never said anything like that about Xi.
Believe it or not, the tariffs have indeed negatively affected the Chinese economy. Making things worse for America was a given since we are dependent on Chinese exports.
Which is something the neoliberals, like Biden, are responsible for.

Whatever he said back then it's different now sometimes he even acts upon it hahaha

Yeah, how have they made things worse for China?

Because they seem to still be dominating economics in Asia and Europe while America flounders in the water, dealing with this stupid virus Trump ignored, while the conservative electorate drift ever farther into fascism while those same fascists have cuddle puddles.

How nice that you can support shitty weak leaders with impunity and that makes you right. The fascist standards for leaders must be Mariana Trench levels.

Ah yes, the classic "everything I don't like is fascism." I've heard this one before. Try not to deflect from the current subject when you fail at arguing.
Things certainly aren't getting better for China with tariffs in place.

[Czechostan]

Yeah. Trump acts like he's the remedy, but all he's doing is hastening the decline.

Forget Trump acting like he's a remedy, everyone in this thread who ostensibly supports him (whether they have the shamelessness to say it or not) has failed to explain how he is a remedy.

And yet, people are still going to vote for him.

He trigs the libs. That's good enough for a lot of people.

[The Rich Port]

Whatever he said back then it's different now sometimes he even acts upon it hahaha

Yeah, how have they made things worse for China?

Because they seem to still be dominating economics in Asia and Europe while America flounders in the water, dealing with this stupid virus Trump ignored, while the conservative electorate drift ever farther into fascism while those same fascists have cuddle puddles.

How nice that you can support shitty weak leaders with impunity and that makes you right. The fascist standards for leaders must be Mariana Trench levels.

Ah yes, the classic "everything I don't like is fascism." I've heard this one before. Try not to deflect from the current subject when you fail at arguing.
Things certainly aren't getting better for China with tariffs in place.

And this is another classic case of "I don't read my own sources".

Article very clearly states that while the tariffs affect China, they affect the USA more and that China already had pre-existing problems that it is trying to remedy by expanding and diversifying its economic sector, something that neither you nor Trump understand.

The problem isn't China the country, the problem is the Chinese government. None of this shit he's pulled is going to help effect the change that China and the world needs, it only drags the USA down to China's level into a tyranny of the bourgeoisie.

Which sure as shit is not American, I don't give a shit what you say.

It's Chinese, and it's Russian. This is not China or Russia and I don't want the Chinese or Russian government ruling us, by proxy via an idiot or not.

[Northern Davincia]

Ah yes, the classic "everything I don't like is fascism." I've heard this one before. Try not to deflect from the current subject when you fail at arguing.
Things certainly aren't getting better for China with tariffs in place.

And this is another classic case of "I don't read my own sources".

Article very clearly states that while the tariffs affect China, they affect the USA more and that China already had pre-existing problems that it is trying to remedy by expanding and diversifying its economic sector, something that neither you nor Trump understand.

The problem isn't China the country, the problem is the Chinese government. None of this shit he's pulled is going to help effect the change that China and the world needs, it only drags the USA down to China's level into a tyranny of the bourgeoisie.

Which sure as shit is not American, I don't give a shit what you say.

It's Chinese, and it's Russian. This is not China or Russia and I don't want the Chinese or Russian government ruling us, by proxy via an idiot or not.

Do you think that I denied the tariffs affect the US? I stated as much when I brought up American dependence on Chinese imports. How short is your memory?
The tariffs exacerbate preexisting issues. They may try to remedy those issues, but it will take time to see if it works. If it does, we switch to a new strategy.

The point isn't to change the Chinese government, it's to punish them. Implementing tariffs, whatever effect they might have, does not drag the US into tyranny.

[The Rich Port]

And this is another classic case of "I don't read my own sources".

Article very clearly states that while the tariffs affect China, they affect the USA more and that China already had pre-existing problems that it is trying to remedy by expanding and diversifying its economic sector, something that neither you nor Trump understand.

The problem isn't China the country, the problem is the Chinese government. None of this shit he's pulled is going to help effect the change that China and the world needs, it only drags the USA down to China's level into a tyranny of the bourgeoisie.

Which sure as shit is not American, I don't give a shit what you say.

It's Chinese, and it's Russian. This is not China or Russia and I don't want the Chinese or Russian government ruling us, by proxy via an idiot or not.

Do you think that I denied the tariffs affect the US? I stated as much when I brought up American dependence on Chinese imports. How short is your memory?
The tariffs exacerbate preexisting issues. They may try to remedy those issues, but it will take time to see if it works. If it does, we switch to a new strategy.

The point isn't to change the Chinese government, it's to punish them. Implementing tariffs, whatever effect they might have, does not drag the US into tyranny.

Is that you accidentally admitting that tariffs might not work? I think it's safe to say they don't work at all.

Yeah, tariffs don't turn America into a tyranny... Everything else Trump does, that you ignore in favor of this, does.

I'm not about to sacrifice everything else about America to beat China in a self-defeating game of hegemony that doesn't solve any actual problems with China itself and keeps the Chinese government in power.

You don't give a shit about actual results, evidently, only with the way it looks. You're toeing the Trump party line because you've bought into the delusion that Trump not doing anything to defeat China is going to defeat China.

[Northern Davincia]

Do you think that I denied the tariffs affect the US? I stated as much when I brought up American dependence on Chinese imports. How short is your memory?
The tariffs exacerbate preexisting issues. They may try to remedy those issues, but it will take time to see if it works. If it does, we switch to a new strategy.

The point isn't to change the Chinese government, it's to punish them. Implementing tariffs, whatever effect they might have, does not drag the US into tyranny.

Is that you accidentally admitting that tariffs might not work? I think it's safe to say they don't work at all.

Yeah, tariffs don't turn America into a tyranny... Everything else Trump does, that you ignore in favor of this, does.

I'm not about to sacrifice everything else about America to beat China in a self-defeating game of hegemony that doesn't solve any actual problems with China itself and keeps the Chinese government in power.

You don't give a shit about actual results, evidently, only with the way it looks. You're toeing the Trump party line because you've bought into the delusion that Trump not doing anything to defeat China is going to defeat China.

Tariffs are not, and have never been, a permanent solution. They are but one option out of many, and considering it has affected the Chinese economy, the tariffs have worked on some level. To say they don't work at all means that they have absolutely no impact, which is false. China cannot be conventionally defeated, only smacked down.

Bush and Obama dragged the US into tyranny with the surveillance state. Trump has continued that progression, and so will Biden. That is why I vote 3rd party.

[The Rich Port]

Is that you accidentally admitting that tariffs might not work? I think it's safe to say they don't work at all.

Yeah, tariffs don't turn America into a tyranny... Everything else Trump does, that you ignore in favor of this, does.

I'm not about to sacrifice everything else about America to beat China in a self-defeating game of hegemony that doesn't solve any actual problems with China itself and keeps the Chinese government in power.

You don't give a shit about actual results, evidently, only with the way it looks. You're toeing the Trump party line because you've bought into the delusion that Trump not doing anything to defeat China is going to defeat China.

Tariffs are not, and have never been, a permanent solution. They are but one option out of many, and considering it has affected the Chinese economy, the tariffs have worked on some level. To say they don't work at all means that they have absolutely no impact, which is false. China cannot be conventionally defeated, only smacked down.

Bush and Obama dragged the US into tyranny with the surveillance state. Trump has continued that progression, and so will Biden. That is why I vote 3rd party.

And you wrap it up with some whataboutism, nice.

Anyway, so, I really hope that there's a way to verify that my vote was registered correctly, considering I live in fucking Florida, where the virus is doing so good people are dying from excitement.

I didn't check the last time. I coulda sworn that my ballot machine said that I did indeed vote for Hillary but I don't remember now. It doesn't help that voting isn't standardized for anything, let alone presidential elections.

There should be like a ballot receipt you can take with you so that it can be compared against actual ballot numbers by an independent voluntary watchdog group.