2020 US General Election Thread VII: Summer of Discontent

[Neutraligon]

On what, that you used a pathway to citizenship that allowed you to legally immigrate here? GMS, any method that gives you legal status, regardless of if you have already come here illegally or waited got a green card to get that citizenship is a pathway to citizenship.
I think this is an issue of you not understanding the English term again.

Dude, there is a big difference with applying for legal immigration under legal immigration laws, in the shit hole nation of Cuba or any nation, waiting there for x numbers of years, and meeting the requirements all nations have, than being in the USA as an illegal, crossing the border as an illegal and being made legal by a path to citizenship, supported by Democrat Joe Biden and most Democrats. There is a very big difference.

Yes there is a difference, however both are pathways to citizenship, which was the original point of the post responding to you.

[The Black Forrest]

Ron Paul in 2012

Now we’re on a one-way road to shitsville, all because the GOP chose Romney instead of Ron Paul back then

I can only hope my little vote for JoJo would matter, but probably not

One vote doesn't matter in our shitty FPTP system dominated by the Dems and GOP sadly.

You also have to consider the message not selling or the fact many think if we get the POTUS then all things will change!!!!! Darn those two parties!

The third parties have to be more grass roots and work their way up. The problem is that takes time.

[Andsed]

On what, that you used a pathway to citizenship that allowed you to legally immigrate here? GMS, any method that gives you legal status, regardless of if you have already come here illegally or waited got a green card to get that citizenship is a pathway to citizenship.
I think this is an issue of you not understanding the English term again.

Dude, there is a big difference with applying for legal immigration under legal immigration laws, in the shit hole nation of Cuba or any nation, waiting there for x numbers of years, and meeting the requirements all nations have, than being in the USA as an illegal, crossing the border as an illegal and being made legal by a path to citizenship, supported by Democrat Joe Biden and most Democrats. There is a very big difference.

A path to citizenship is just how one attains citizenship. You followed one. What is so hard to understand about that?

[-Astoria-]

Dude, there is a big difference with applying for legal immigration under legal immigration laws, in the shit hole nation of Cuba or any nation, waiting there for x numbers of years, and meeting the requirements all nations have, than being in the USA as an illegal, crossing the border as an illegal and being made legal by a path to citizenship, supported by Democrat Joe Biden and most Democrats. There is a very big difference.

Biden never talked about making illegal immigration legal; more offering people already within America a path to citizenship:

Biden will aggressively advocate for legislation that creates a clear roadmap to legal status and citizenship for unauthorized immigrants who register, are up-to-date on their taxes, and have passed a background check.

[Greater Miami Shores]

Dude, there is a big difference with applying for legal immigration under legal immigration laws, in the shit hole nation of Cuba or any nation, waiting there for x numbers of years, and meeting the requirements all nations have, than being in the USA as an illegal, crossing the border as an illegal and being made legal by a path to citizenship, supported by Democrat Joe Biden and most Democrats. There is a very big difference.

Yes there is a difference, however both are pathways to citizenship, which was the original point of the post responding to you.

Thank you for saying there is a big difference, that courtesy has not been given too me by the others on this thread. This is not the point they are trying to make. I cant even win one according to them, not that I am surprised,

[Neutraligon]

Yes there is a difference, however both are pathways to citizenship, which was the original point of the post responding to you.

Thank you for saying there is a big difference, that courtesy has not been given too me by the others on this thread. This is not the point they are trying to make. I cant even win one according to them, not that I am surprised,

The point they where trying to make is that Biden is trying to change the current pathway to citizenship to allow certain people who are here illegally, but who have payed their taxes, have no criminal history, etc a way to become legal citizens. The person is saying that there is a difference between changing the existing laws around citizenship and amnesty. You are stating Biden wants amnesty, and they are saying no, Biden wants to change the existing immigration law.

[Greater Miami Shores]

Thank you for saying there is a big difference, that courtesy has not been given too me by the others on this thread. This is not the point they are trying to make. I cant even win one according to them, not that I am surprised,

The point they where trying to make is that Biden is trying to change the current pathway to citizenship to allow certain people who are here illegally, but who have payed their taxes, have no criminal history, etc a way to become legal citizens. The person is saying that there is a difference between changing the existing laws around citizenship and amnesty. You are stating Biden wants amnesty, and they are saying no, Biden wants to change the existing immigration law.

I know all this information you have posted in great details. But to make illegals legal, which is not the way I became a legal immigrant and a legal citizen. I am right and correct on this point and on my post. But they will never agree with me or admit it.

[Neutraligon]

The point they where trying to make is that Biden is trying to change the current pathway to citizenship to allow certain people who are here illegally, but who have payed their taxes, have no criminal history, etc a way to become legal citizens. The person is saying that there is a difference between changing the existing laws around citizenship and amnesty. You are stating Biden wants amnesty, and they are saying no, Biden wants to change the existing immigration law.

I know all this information you have posted in great details. But to make illegals legal, which is not the way I became a legal immigrant and a legal citizen. I am right and correct on this point and on my post. But they will never agree with me or admit it.

GSM, this is a matter of word choice, they are saying you are using term incorrectly. They are also further asking what is wrong with altering the existing pathway to citizenship to allow those who have payed there taxes and do not have a criminal history a way to become citizens? What is wrong with focusing on those illegals that have criminal records and kicking them out rather then wasting money on those who have done nothing wrong other then come here illegally? Why shouldn't those that have shown they are productive members of society be able to become citizens?

[Greater Miami Shores]

I know all this information you have posted in great details. But to make illegals legal, which is not the way I became a legal immigrant and a legal citizen. I am right and correct on this point and on my post. But they will never agree with me or admit it.

GSM, this is a matter of word choice, they are saying you are using term incorrectly. They are also further asking what is wrong with altering the existing pathway to citizenship to allow those who have payed there taxes and do not have a criminal history a way to become citizens? What is wrong with focusing on those illegals that have criminal records and kicking them out rather then wasting money on those who have done nothing wrong other then come here illegally? Why shouldn't those that have shown they are productive members of society be able to become citizens?

I have posted many times, legal immigration is legal immigration with all their rights respected, and illegal immigration is illegal immigration and should not be tolerated, it is this easy to understand.

Apply in your nation of origin, meet the requirements all nations have and wait your turn in your nation of origin, like I did in the shit hole nation of Cuba for x numbers of years.

Even Mexico deports illegal immigrants including Cubans. Most nations if not all deport illegal immigrants.

Asylum is being abused all over the world as an excuse for open borders illegal immigration. Biden wants to make asylum laws easier their by making illegals legal, that is not immigration reform, that is making illegals legal.

This happens to be what most Republicans and Republican supporters agree with, and what most Democrats and Democrat supporters disagree with.

[The Black Forrest]

GSM, this is a matter of word choice, they are saying you are using term incorrectly. They are also further asking what is wrong with altering the existing pathway to citizenship to allow those who have payed there taxes and do not have a criminal history a way to become citizens? What is wrong with focusing on those illegals that have criminal records and kicking them out rather then wasting money on those who have done nothing wrong other then come here illegally? Why shouldn't those that have shown they are productive members of society be able to become citizens?

I have posted many times, legal immigration is legal immigration with all their rights respected, and illegal immigration is illegal immigration and should not be tolerated, it is this easy to understand.

Apply in your nation of origin, meet the requirements all nations have and wait your turn in your nation of origin, like I did in the shit hole nation of Cuba for x numbers of years.

Even Mexico deports illegal immigrants including Cubans. Most nations if not all deport illegal immigrants.

Asylum is being abused all over the world as an excuse for open borders illegal immigration. Biden wants to make asylum laws easier their by making illegals legal, that is not immigration reform, that is making illegals legal.

This happens to be what most Republicans and Republican supporters agree with, and what most Democrats and Democrat supporters disagree with.

Ok. You didn’t address the questions put to you. Neut made it rather easy. Let me break them up for you:

1) They are also further asking what is wrong with altering the existing pathway to citizenship to allow those who have payed there taxes and do not have a criminal history a way to become citizens?

2) What is wrong with focusing on those illegals that have criminal records and kicking them out rather then wasting money on those who have done nothing wrong other then come here illegally?

3) Why shouldn't those that have shown they are productive members of society be able to become citizens?

[Greater Miami Shores]

I have posted many times, legal immigration is legal immigration with all their rights respected, and illegal immigration is illegal immigration and should not be tolerated, it is this easy to understand.

Apply in your nation of origin, meet the requirements all nations have and wait your turn in your nation of origin, like I did in the shit hole nation of Cuba for x numbers of years.

Even Mexico deports illegal immigrants including Cubans. Most nations if not all deport illegal immigrants.

Asylum is being abused all over the world as an excuse for open borders illegal immigration. Biden wants to make asylum laws easier their by making illegals legal, that is not immigration reform, that is making illegals legal.

This happens to be what most Republicans and Republican supporters agree with, and what most Democrats and Democrat supporters disagree with.

Ok. You didn’t address the questions put to you. Neut made it rather easy. Let me break them up for you:

1) They are also further asking what is wrong with altering the existing pathway to citizenship to allow those who have payed there taxes and do not have a criminal history a way to become citizens?

2) What is wrong with focusing on those illegals that have criminal records and kicking them out rather then wasting money on those who have done nothing wrong other then come here illegally?

3) Why shouldn't those that have shown they are productive members of society be able to become citizens?

I did answer the questions, you all just don't like my answers, re read my post in full context. I did answer the questions.

You are making illegals legal this is what is wrong with it.

Legal immigration is legal immigration, with all their rights respected, and illegal immigration is legal immigration and should not be tolerated, it is this easy to understand.

Apply in your nation of origin, meet the requirements all nations have and wait your turn in your nation of origin, the right way, like I did in the shit hole nation of Cuba for x numbers of years.

Even Mexico deport illegal immigrants, including Cubans, because they are illegals. Most nations if not all deport illegal immigrants, because they are illegals.

They did not wait in their nations of origin and met the requirements all nations have, including in shit hole nations like Cuba.

Legal immigration is legal immigration, with all their rights respected, and illegal immigration is legal immigration and should not be tolerated, it is this easy to understand.

Biden wants to make asylum laws easier their by making illegals legal, that is not immigration reform, that is making illegals legal.

It seems like you guys want me to agree with you, you guys just don't like my answers.

[Borderlands of Rojava]

Mentioning immigration and Latinos:

Biden unveiled his plans regarding Latinos yesterday

I tried to read it but all I saw was bullshit all over my screen.

[Borderlands of Rojava]

#1 ill believe it when I see it.

#2 What's wrong with a road map to citizenship?

Biden does support amnesty for 11 million illegals it is on Biden's website. What is wrong with it, making illegals legal, if you believe in legal immigration is legal and illegal immigration is illegal.

That said, I posted and perhaps you have not seen it, if I were President of the USA, the only political deal I would make with the Democrats on DACA, is support for ending birth right citizenship, which requires a two thirds majority. So that future DACAs would not be needed. The end of sending or having kids in the USA by illegals and then demanding to be made legal, because my kids are legal. Naturally most Democrats would not agree to the deal.

I think this is ironic considering many people from your own ethnicity came here illegally during the Mariol boatlift, but we let them in thinking we were spiting Castro.

You would send many people of your own national background back to Cuba. Do you see now why a path to citizenship is not a bad thing?

[Zurkerx]

Biden Is Polling Better Than Clinton At Her Peak. But she did lead by more in certain key states.

The States Clinton led by wider margins at this point include Michigan, PA, and WI. However, she never garnished around 50% and the reason for these smaller margins are because pollsters likely adjusted to accommodate Trump's base. Overall, Biden is better positioned to win 270+ currently than Clinton was at this point though we should note that things can change now and November.

[Greater Miami Shores]

Mentioning immigration and Latinos:

Biden unveiled his plans regarding Latinos yesterday

I tried to read it but all I saw was bullshit all over my screen.

I agree with you, it all sounds nice on paper, but it is political propaganda.

[Greater Miami Shores]

Biden Is Polling Better Than Clinton At Her Peak. But she did lead by more in certain key states.

The States Clinton led by wider margins at this point include Michigan, PA, and WI. However, she never garnished around 50% and the reason for these smaller margins are because pollsters likely adjusted to accommodate Trump's base. Overall, Biden is better positioned to win 270+ currently than Clinton was at this point though we should note that things can change now and November.

I cant wait for the debates where Biden cant hide, and needs to go as far left as possible for Bernie's base.

[Cannot think of a name]

Biden Is Polling Better Than Clinton At Her Peak. But she did lead by more in certain key states.

The States Clinton led by wider margins at this point include Michigan, PA, and WI. However, she never garnished around 50% and the reason for these smaller margins are because pollsters likely adjusted to accommodate Trump's base. Overall, Biden is better positioned to win 270+ currently than Clinton was at this point though we should note that things can change now and November.

The way 2020 is going things could change by sunset. But it’s interesting that in such a volatile year the polling has been so consistent when normally there’s so much more give and take with every little thing getting its own little bump.

[Borderlands of Rojava]

To me Biden is the guy who says "I won't kill you but I don't have to save you either."

Trump is the guy who would straight up murder my ass.

[The Greater Ohio Valley]

To me Biden is the guy who says "I won't kill you but I don't have to save you either."

Trump is the guy who would straight up murder my ass.

I'd rather have apathetic than malicious tbh.

[Greater Miami Shores]

To me Biden is the guy who says "I won't kill you but I don't have to save you either."

Trump is the guy who would straight up murder my ass.

I'd rather have apathetic than malicious tbh.

Id rather have Trump than Biden, which is what I have right now.

[Borderlands of Rojava]

To me Biden is the guy who says "I won't kill you but I don't have to save you either."

Trump is the guy who would straight up murder my ass.

I'd rather have apathetic than malicious tbh.

Every day Trump pushes me toward Biden, but when I see biden potentially getting ready to make Kamala Harris his veep, it pushes me away.

I'm probably voting for Bryant Moreland for 2020.

[Borderlands of Rojava]

I'd rather have apathetic than malicious tbh.

Id rather have Trump than Biden, which is what I have right now.

Damn, you have 156,000 people dead and a president who used federal agents to beat a marine veteran in Portland.

I know they say hell ain't a bad place to be but damn.

[-Astoria-]

To me Biden is the guy who says "I won't kill you but I don't have to save you either."

Trump is the guy who would straight up murder my ass.

I'd rather have apathetic than malicious tbh.

This.

[Zurkerx]

Biden Is Polling Better Than Clinton At Her Peak. But she did lead by more in certain key states.

The States Clinton led by wider margins at this point include Michigan, PA, and WI. However, she never garnished around 50% and the reason for these smaller margins are because pollsters likely adjusted to accommodate Trump's base. Overall, Biden is better positioned to win 270+ currently than Clinton was at this point though we should note that things can change now and November.

I cant wait for the debates where Biden cant hide, and needs to go as far left as possible for Bernie's base.

I mean, Biden does venture out, he just doesn't campaign around the entire country. But I seriously doubt he goes that far-left. I will warn you though: I wouldn't underestimate Biden. He excels at one-on-one debates.

Biden Is Polling Better Than Clinton At Her Peak. But she did lead by more in certain key states.

The States Clinton led by wider margins at this point include Michigan, PA, and WI. However, she never garnished around 50% and the reason for these smaller margins are because pollsters likely adjusted to accommodate Trump's base. Overall, Biden is better positioned to win 270+ currently than Clinton was at this point though we should note that things can change now and November.

The way 2020 is going things could change by sunset. But it’s interesting that in such a volatile year the polling has been so consistent when normally there’s so much more give and take with every little thing getting its own little bump.

Trump is a well-defined figure: almost everyone has an opinion of him; as does Biden to a lesser extent. This leaves fewer undecided/third party voters, especially in an election that matters this year. We also need to take into account that polling has adjusted and thus is more accurate than 2016. Biden's stable lead, which averages 8 points, should be concerning for the Trump Campaign: they do better with volatility.

[Jedi Council]

Biden Is Polling Better Than Clinton At Her Peak. But she did lead by more in certain key states.

The States Clinton led by wider margins at this point include Michigan, PA, and WI. However, she never garnished around 50% and the reason for these smaller margins are because pollsters likely adjusted to accommodate Trump's base. Overall, Biden is better positioned to win 270+ currently than Clinton was at this point though we should note that things can change now and November.

I cant wait for the debates where Biden cant hide, and needs to go as far left as possible for Bernie's base.

He wont take the bait; have you noticed how, while admittedly moving leftward in regard to a handful of policies, Biden has avoided go so far as to embody the Sanders/AOC rhetoric that the GOP finds so horrifying.

For example, Biden, while having a fairly decent criminal justice reform package, is against defunding the police.

Trump can whine and bash Biden for being a far left zealot as much as he likes, but the fact of the matter is that it wont work. Joe Biden is a septuagenarian from a southern state, a chronic moderate who, until his current 2020 run, was widely liked on both sides of the aisle. He is an old, white, southern, old school politician. Just that mere fact will make him appear more centrist than he really is at the moment.

The Atlantic had a good piece on this very topic.

Polls suggest that Americans are more comfortable with candidates close to the ideological center. In surveys this year, respondents consider Biden more moderate than Trump. That’s a reversal from 2016, when Americans viewed Trump as more moderate than Hillary Clinton. One reason for this shift is that Trump’s image has changed. By November 2016, after a campaign in which Trump had publicly opposed cutting Social Security and Medicare, slammed the Iraq War, and denounced America’s campaign-finance system as corrupt, voters perceived him as less conservative than every other recent incoming Republican president except George H. W. Bush. But by early 2018, after a first year in office in which Trump promoted a hard-right economic and cultural agenda, his moderate reputation had already faded. It has never returned, which makes Biden look more moderate by contrast.

Biden also appears more moderate than Clinton because, as I’ve previously argued, Americans generally deem male candidates less threatening. In gauging a candidate’s ideology, voters often seize on cultural cues. In his book Politics Lost, the journalist Joe Klein notes that in focus groups during the 1976 campaign, white voters insisted that Jimmy Carter opposed school busing even after being shown a speech in which he said he supported it. They claimed he was lying to win black votes. Carter overperformed among culturally conservative white voters because those voters couldn’t imagine that a white male governor of Georgia was truly progressive on race.

So you can continue to float this fantasy that Biden is now the avatar of American socialism, and that come election day the silent majority will rush to the ballot box clamoring to support Trump's hedonistic capitalist bullshit, but unless something miraculous happens from now till then, that wont happen.

Biden is not AOC, Warren or Sanders. Hell, he isn't even Clinton. He is a much more difficult opponent than I think the GOP realize.