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2020 US General Election Thread VII: Summer of Discontent

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Of All The Parties With 50+ Electoral Votes of Ballot Access, Which Party Do You Prefer?

Republicans
73
23%
Democrats
111
35%
Libertarians
24
8%
Greens
59
19%
Constitution Party
12
4%
Alliance Party
4
1%
Socialism and Liberation
31
10%
 
Total votes : 314

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Postby Greater Miami Shores » Wed Aug 05, 2020 9:56 am

United States of Devonta wrote:
Borderlands of Rojava wrote:https://www.politico.com/news/2020/08/05/joe-biden-reporter-cognitive-test-391771

Biden's getting in fights again.


It actually wasn't that bad. He was obviously joking with the guy and laughing it off. That is vintage Biden. This reminds me of his debate with Paul Ryan in 2012. The laughing strategy actually worked in the eyes of the people who watched the debate.

It did not work with me, :) I doubt that is the reason Obama won, much to my dislike.
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Postby Aragren » Wed Aug 05, 2020 9:56 am

Yes, but that won't magically make you immune to justified criticism either.

Which makes one wonder why Trump seems to believe that. He seems to think he's incincible just because he's the president of the United States. He doesn't seem to understand that his power is given to him by the people, not god or himself.

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Postby Tombradyonia » Wed Aug 05, 2020 9:57 am

Greater Miami Shores wrote:

I don't see nothing wrong with this add. I have been to the Biden website a few times. Biden embraced the policies of the far left, like Bernie's. Biden has to raise taxes to pay for the so called free policies of the far left, Biden wants to give amnesty to 11 million illegals, his trade policies can be questioned. There is nothing wrong with this Trump add.

But I am sure Democrats and Democrat supporters will strongly disagree with us Republicans and Trump supporters.

Why does Kowani wish Trump supporters to stay silent, we have just as much right as all of you? and he is not the only one here on NS.


Well, since Trump has embraced the policies of the extreme far right fascist wing of the far right, I don't see the problem here with adopting some sensible positions and making the rich pay just a little more as they should be in terms of tax.

Trump is in my opinion an imbecile and an enemy of America and the constitution (that he has been violating non-stop since 1/20/2017).
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Postby Neutraligon » Wed Aug 05, 2020 9:58 am

Greater Miami Shores wrote:
United States of Devonta wrote:
It actually wasn't that bad. He was obviously joking with the guy and laughing it off. That is vintage Biden. This reminds me of his debate with Paul Ryan in 2012. The laughing strategy actually worked in the eyes of the people who watched the debate.

It did not work with me, :) I doubt that is the reason Obama won, much to my dislike.

GMS I made a mistake in trying to reply to you. I believe I have mostly edited back correctly. I am sorry about that. Here is my reply

Greater Miami Shores wrote:
Neutraligon wrote:You clearly did. As to Biden being far left, that is an opinion, one people who are socialist/communist/on the far left would strongly disagree with. Free policies, no one thinks those policies are free at the point of government, they are however free at the point of use,depending on which policy you mean. Are you talking about DACA because if that is what you mean then that is neither a far left nor far right policy? For his trade policies questioned how?

Again, I did not miss the point. The Democrats are leftists in American terms, not European, Social Democrats, Democrat Socialists or Canadian terms. Spending policies are not really free, they require higher taxes, I am sure even you agree.
Democrats are not leftist, even by American standards. And if you read what I said you would see that I agreed that they are not free at the point of government, but are free (for the most part) at point of use.

Amnesty and benefits for illegals is supported by most Democrats, therefore a leftist policy in American terms, at least a Democrat policy.
Something being supported by the Democrats does not make it leftist, otherwise capitalism would be a leftist policy.

Naturally Democrats and Democrat supporters will strongly disagree with us Republicans and Trump supporters. I say and Trump supporters, because we have persons on NS from all over the world, even though it is a small minority on a predominantly leftist site like NS.
That depends, do we disagree on policy and the like, yes, most of us however can agree on basic facts like Trump having had 3 wives.

There is nothing wrong with the Trump add, and it is very accurate, disagreeing with it is called Politics, and different, economic, political and social views, and there is nothing wrong with it, just like there is nothing wrong with agreeing with it.
Even if the ad where truthful, there can still be something wrong with the ad, like the composition, music choice etc.[/quote]
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Postby Tombradyonia » Wed Aug 05, 2020 9:58 am

Borderlands of Rojava wrote:
-Astoria- wrote:And also, not counting the fact that many undocumented immigrants became such by overstaying their visas...

Besides that, my post on the other things you said still stands.


#1 ill believe it when I see it.

#2 What's wrong with a road map to citizenship?


I'm all in favor of a road map to citizenship, especially if the racist right starts throwing temper tantrums. If Biden is elected, he should start the ball rolling with executive orders.
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Postby Outer Sparta » Wed Aug 05, 2020 9:58 am

Aragren wrote:
The Greater Ohio Valley wrote:I would?

I mean in general.

Trump's much closer to far-right than Biden is to being far-left.
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Postby Aragren » Wed Aug 05, 2020 9:59 am

Outer Sparta wrote:
Aragren wrote:I mean in general.

Trump's much closer to far-right than Biden is to being far-left.

Definetly.

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Postby Juristonia » Wed Aug 05, 2020 10:00 am

Atheris wrote:
Greater Miami Shores wrote:Biden embraced the policies of the far left, like Bernie's.


As a SocDem, I'm certainly not far-left.

And as a far-left, I'm certainly not a SocDem.
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Postby Greater Miami Shores » Wed Aug 05, 2020 10:04 am

Tombradyonia wrote:
Greater Miami Shores wrote:I don't see nothing wrong with this add. I have been to the Biden website a few times. Biden embraced the policies of the far left, like Bernie's. Biden has to raise taxes to pay for the so called free policies of the far left, Biden wants to give amnesty to 11 million illegals, his trade policies can be questioned. There is nothing wrong with this Trump add.

But I am sure Democrats and Democrat supporters will strongly disagree with us Republicans and Trump supporters.

Why does Kowani wish Trump supporters to stay silent, we have just as much right as all of you? and he is not the only one here on NS.


Well, since Trump has embraced the policies of the extreme far right fascist wing of the far right, I don't see the problem here with adopting some sensible positions and making the rich pay just a little more as they should be in terms of tax.

Trump is in my opinion an imbecile and an enemy of America and the constitution (that he has been violating non-stop since 1/20/2017).

You are entitled to your opinions and so am I, and so are all. I congratulate you this time, for at least saying in my opinion not your facts, as many here do.

and I am not a bot, I am a person, and a proud Republican supporter of President Trump, and there is nothing wrong with it.
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Postby -Astoria- » Wed Aug 05, 2020 10:06 am

Borderlands of Rojava wrote:
-Astoria- wrote:And also, not counting the fact that many undocumented immigrants became such by overstaying their visas...

Besides that, my post on the other things you said still stands.


#1 ill believe it when I see it.

#2 What's wrong with a road map to citizenship?
#1: ???

#2: ...there isn't?

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Postby Neutraligon » Wed Aug 05, 2020 10:06 am

Greater Miami Shores wrote:
Tombradyonia wrote:
Well, since Trump has embraced the policies of the extreme far right fascist wing of the far right, I don't see the problem here with adopting some sensible positions and making the rich pay just a little more as they should be in terms of tax.

Trump is in my opinion an imbecile and an enemy of America and the constitution (that he has been violating non-stop since 1/20/2017).

You are entitled to your opinions and so am I, and so are all. I congratulate you this time, for at least saying in my opinion not your facts, as many here do.

You are entitled to your opinions and so am I, and so are all. I congratulate you this time, for at least saying in my opinion not your facts, as many here do. and I am not a bot, I am a person, a and a proud Republican supporter of President Trump, and there is nothing wrong with it.

GMS, this is a debate board, it is generally accepted that when someone says something it is an opinion and there is no need to state that over and over again. Normally if they say something is fact they are expected to back it up unless the fact is so well known as to not need it (like Trump being the current president of the US).
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Postby -Astoria- » Wed Aug 05, 2020 10:08 am

Aragren wrote:
Yes, but that won't magically make you immune to justified criticism either.

Which makes one wonder why Trump seems to believe that. He seems to think he's incincible just because he's the president of the United States. He doesn't seem to understand that his power is given to him by the people, not god or himself.
Well, more accurately given by the electoral college, but that's another story...
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Postby Major-Tom » Wed Aug 05, 2020 10:10 am

Neutraligon wrote:
Major-Tom wrote:
He's always had a bad habit of just getting a bit too defensive. Call it authentic, call it overly pugnacious, it's just part of Joe whether we like it or not.

It is just a clear line of attack. I mean seriously, Trump took the short form of cognitive test (the real one takes days) and is bragging about passing. If he wanted he could take the test, pass, and then make a joke about it.


Yeah, I mean, he really should. I don’t see how he’d fail it, Biden just has this bad habit of being way too combative over otherwise easy questions.
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Postby Zurkerx » Wed Aug 05, 2020 10:16 am

United States of Devonta wrote:
Borderlands of Rojava wrote:https://www.politico.com/news/2020/08/05/joe-biden-reporter-cognitive-test-391771

Biden's getting in fights again.


It actually wasn't that bad. He was obviously joking with the guy and laughing it off. That is vintage Biden. This reminds me of his debate with Paul Ryan in 2012. The laughing strategy actually worked in the eyes of the people who watched the debate.


I agree though probably not the best comparison to use. I got what he was saying but I think I would have used a different analogy. Either way, that laugh, or cackle, is bound to drive Trump mad: it's very effective.
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Postby Greater Miami Shores » Wed Aug 05, 2020 10:24 am

Borderlands of Rojava wrote:
-Astoria- wrote:And also, not counting the fact that many undocumented immigrants became such by overstaying their visas...

Besides that, my post on the other things you said still stands.


#1 ill believe it when I see it.

#2 What's wrong with a road map to citizenship?

Biden does support amnesty for 11 million illegals it is on Biden's website. What is wrong with it, making illegals legal, if you believe in legal immigration is legal and illegal immigration is illegal.

That said, I posted and perhaps you have not seen it, if I were President of the USA, the only political deal I would make with the Democrats on DACA, is support for ending birth right citizenship, which requires a two thirds majority. So that future DACAs would not be needed. The end of sending or having kids in the USA by illegals and then demanding to be made legal, because my kids are legal. Naturally most Democrats would not agree to the deal.
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Postby The Greater Ohio Valley » Wed Aug 05, 2020 10:26 am

Greater Miami Shores wrote:Biden does support amnesty for 11 million illegals it is on Biden's website. What is wrong with it, making illegals legal, if you believe in legal immigration is legal and illegal immigration is illegal.

It literally says provide a roadmap for citizenship, not amnesty.
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Postby Greater Miami Shores » Wed Aug 05, 2020 10:29 am

The Greater Ohio Valley wrote:
Greater Miami Shores wrote:Biden does support amnesty for 11 million illegals it is on Biden's website. What is wrong with it, making illegals legal, if you believe in legal immigration is legal and illegal immigration is illegal.

It literally says provide a roadmap for citizenship, not amnesty.

A road map to citizenship is amnesty for illegals, no matter how you all try to spin it, It makes illegals legal, so it is amnesty for illegals, or whatever you wish to call it, it amounts to the same thing.
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Postby Atheris » Wed Aug 05, 2020 10:30 am

Greater Miami Shores wrote:
The Greater Ohio Valley wrote:It literally says provide a roadmap for citizenship, not amnesty.

A road map to citizenship is amnesty for illegals, no matter how you all try to spin it, It makes illegals legal, so it is amnesty for illegals, or whatever you wish to call it, it amounts to the same thing.

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Postby Necroghastia » Wed Aug 05, 2020 10:32 am

Greater Miami Shores wrote:
The Greater Ohio Valley wrote:It literally says provide a roadmap for citizenship, not amnesty.

A road map to citizenship is amnesty for illegals, no matter how you all try to spin it, It makes illegals legal, so it is amnesty for illegals, or whatever you wish to call it, it amounts to the same thing.

Aren't you an immigrant yourself? Are you saying you're an illegal immigrant?

Because without following some sort of roadmap to citizenship I can't see how you would become one, and since those are apparently "amnesty for illegals"....
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Postby Greater Miami Shores » Wed Aug 05, 2020 10:35 am

Atheris wrote:
Greater Miami Shores wrote:A road map to citizenship is amnesty for illegals, no matter how you all try to spin it, It makes illegals legal, so it is amnesty for illegals, or whatever you wish to call it, it amounts to the same thing.

...No.

lol, I am wrong again like always, according to those who strongly disagree with me, :) But I am not surprised, :)
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Postby The Greater Ohio Valley » Wed Aug 05, 2020 10:35 am

Greater Miami Shores wrote:
The Greater Ohio Valley wrote:It literally says provide a roadmap for citizenship, not amnesty.

A road map to citizenship is amnesty for illegals, no matter how you all try to spin it, It makes illegals legal, so it is amnesty for illegals, or whatever you wish to call it, it amounts to the same thing.

Then you are using the word "amnesty" wrong, "amnesty" means: an official pardon for people who have been convicted of political offenses, or grant an official pardon to. That would be Biden issuing a unilateral presidential pardon to all undocumented immigrants, providing a roadmap to citizenship is not a presidential pardon.
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Postby The Greater Ohio Valley » Wed Aug 05, 2020 10:35 am

Greater Miami Shores wrote:
Atheris wrote:...No.

lol, I am wrong again like always, according to those who strongly disagree with me, :) But I am not surprised, :)

You are also wrong according to most English dictionaries.
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Postby Greater Miami Shores » Wed Aug 05, 2020 10:36 am

The Greater Ohio Valley wrote:
Greater Miami Shores wrote:A road map to citizenship is amnesty for illegals, no matter how you all try to spin it, It makes illegals legal, so it is amnesty for illegals, or whatever you wish to call it, it amounts to the same thing.

Then you are using the word "amnesty" wrong, "amnesty" means: an official pardon for people who have been convicted of political offenses, or grant an official pardon to. That would be Biden issuing a unilateral presidential pardon to all undocumented immigrants, providing a roadmap to citizenship is not a presidential pardon.

If so I am using the wrong word, thank you for correcting me on it. The rest of my post stands.
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Postby The Black Forrest » Wed Aug 05, 2020 10:36 am

Greater Miami Shores wrote:
The Greater Ohio Valley wrote:It literally says provide a roadmap for citizenship, not amnesty.

A road map to citizenship is amnesty for illegals, no matter how you all try to spin it, It makes illegals legal, so it is amnesty for illegals, or whatever you wish to call it, it amounts to the same thing.


Ok. How much money do we spend trying to find and deport these people?

How much money would we spend trying to integrate these people?
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