2020 US General Election Thread VII: Summer of Discontent

[Greater Miami Shores]

https://www.politico.com/news/2020/08/05/joe-biden-reporter-cognitive-test-391771

Biden's getting in fights again.

It actually wasn't that bad. He was obviously joking with the guy and laughing it off. That is vintage Biden. This reminds me of his debate with Paul Ryan in 2012. The laughing strategy actually worked in the eyes of the people who watched the debate.

It did not work with me, I doubt that is the reason Obama won, much to my dislike.

[Aragren]

Yes, but that won't magically make you immune to justified criticism either.

Which makes one wonder why Trump seems to believe that. He seems to think he's incincible just because he's the president of the United States. He doesn't seem to understand that his power is given to him by the people, not god or himself.

[Borderlands of Rojava]

I saw the 11 million amnesty posted on the Biden website. It is not BS it is a fact.

Creates a roadmap to citizenship for the nearly 11 million people who have been living in and strengthening our country for years. These are our mothers, fathers, brothers, and sisters. They are our neighbors, co-workers, and members of our congregations and Little League teams. They contribute in countless ways to our communities, workforce, and economy. In 2015, the IRS collected $23.6 billion from 4.4 million workers without Social Security numbers–many of whom were undocumented. Biden will aggressively advocate for legislation that creates a clear roadmap to legal status and citizenship for unauthorized immigrants who register, are up-to-date on their taxes, and have passed a background check.

And also, not counting the fact that many undocumented immigrants became such by overstaying their visas...

Besides that, my post on the other things you said still stands.

#1 ill believe it when I see it.

#2 What's wrong with a road map to citizenship?

[Tombradyonia]

This one? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FucY0Tm ... naldJTrump

I don't see nothing wrong with this add. I have been to the Biden website a few times. Biden embraced the policies of the far left, like Bernie's. Biden has to raise taxes to pay for the so called free policies of the far left, Biden wants to give amnesty to 11 million illegals, his trade policies can be questioned. There is nothing wrong with this Trump add.

But I am sure Democrats and Democrat supporters will strongly disagree with us Republicans and Trump supporters.

Why does Kowani wish Trump supporters to stay silent, we have just as much right as all of you? and he is not the only one here on NS.

Well, since Trump has embraced the policies of the extreme far right fascist wing of the far right, I don't see the problem here with adopting some sensible positions and making the rich pay just a little more as they should be in terms of tax.

Trump is in my opinion an imbecile and an enemy of America and the constitution (that he has been violating non-stop since 1/20/2017).

[Neutraligon]

It actually wasn't that bad. He was obviously joking with the guy and laughing it off. That is vintage Biden. This reminds me of his debate with Paul Ryan in 2012. The laughing strategy actually worked in the eyes of the people who watched the debate.

It did not work with me, I doubt that is the reason Obama won, much to my dislike.

GMS I made a mistake in trying to reply to you. I believe I have mostly edited back correctly. I am sorry about that. Here is my reply

You clearly did. As to Biden being far left, that is an opinion, one people who are socialist/communist/on the far left would strongly disagree with. Free policies, no one thinks those policies are free at the point of government, they are however free at the point of use,depending on which policy you mean. Are you talking about DACA because if that is what you mean then that is neither a far left nor far right policy? For his trade policies questioned how?

Again, I did not miss the point. The Democrats are leftists in American terms, not European, Social Democrats, Democrat Socialists or Canadian terms. Spending policies are not really free, they require higher taxes, I am sure even you agree.

Democrats are not leftist, even by American standards. And if you read what I said you would see that I agreed that they are not free at the point of government, but are free (for the most part) at point of use.

Amnesty and benefits for illegals is supported by most Democrats, therefore a leftist policy in American terms, at least a Democrat policy.

Something being supported by the Democrats does not make it leftist, otherwise capitalism would be a leftist policy.

Naturally Democrats and Democrat supporters will strongly disagree with us Republicans and Trump supporters. I say and Trump supporters, because we have persons on NS from all over the world, even though it is a small minority on a predominantly leftist site like NS.

That depends, do we disagree on policy and the like, yes, most of us however can agree on basic facts like Trump having had 3 wives.

There is nothing wrong with the Trump add, and it is very accurate, disagreeing with it is called Politics, and different, economic, political and social views, and there is nothing wrong with it, just like there is nothing wrong with agreeing with it.

Even if the ad where truthful, there can still be something wrong with the ad, like the composition, music choice etc.[/quote]

[Tombradyonia]

And also, not counting the fact that many undocumented immigrants became such by overstaying their visas...

Besides that, my post on the other things you said still stands.

#1 ill believe it when I see it.

#2 What's wrong with a road map to citizenship?

I'm all in favor of a road map to citizenship, especially if the racist right starts throwing temper tantrums. If Biden is elected, he should start the ball rolling with executive orders.

[Outer Sparta]

I would?

I mean in general.

Trump's much closer to far-right than Biden is to being far-left.

[Aragren]

I mean in general.

Trump's much closer to far-right than Biden is to being far-left.

Definetly.

[Juristonia]

Biden embraced the policies of the far left, like Bernie's.

As a SocDem, I'm certainly not far-left.

And as a far-left, I'm certainly not a SocDem.

[Greater Miami Shores]

I don't see nothing wrong with this add. I have been to the Biden website a few times. Biden embraced the policies of the far left, like Bernie's. Biden has to raise taxes to pay for the so called free policies of the far left, Biden wants to give amnesty to 11 million illegals, his trade policies can be questioned. There is nothing wrong with this Trump add.

But I am sure Democrats and Democrat supporters will strongly disagree with us Republicans and Trump supporters.

Why does Kowani wish Trump supporters to stay silent, we have just as much right as all of you? and he is not the only one here on NS.

Well, since Trump has embraced the policies of the extreme far right fascist wing of the far right, I don't see the problem here with adopting some sensible positions and making the rich pay just a little more as they should be in terms of tax.

Trump is in my opinion an imbecile and an enemy of America and the constitution (that he has been violating non-stop since 1/20/2017).

You are entitled to your opinions and so am I, and so are all. I congratulate you this time, for at least saying in my opinion not your facts, as many here do.

and I am not a bot, I am a person, and a proud Republican supporter of President Trump, and there is nothing wrong with it.

[-Astoria-]

And also, not counting the fact that many undocumented immigrants became such by overstaying their visas...

Besides that, my post on the other things you said still stands.

#1 ill believe it when I see it.

#2 What's wrong with a road map to citizenship?

#1: ???

#2: ...there isn't?

[Neutraligon]

Well, since Trump has embraced the policies of the extreme far right fascist wing of the far right, I don't see the problem here with adopting some sensible positions and making the rich pay just a little more as they should be in terms of tax.

Trump is in my opinion an imbecile and an enemy of America and the constitution (that he has been violating non-stop since 1/20/2017).

You are entitled to your opinions and so am I, and so are all. I congratulate you this time, for at least saying in my opinion not your facts, as many here do.

You are entitled to your opinions and so am I, and so are all. I congratulate you this time, for at least saying in my opinion not your facts, as many here do. and I am not a bot, I am a person, a and a proud Republican supporter of President Trump, and there is nothing wrong with it.

GMS, this is a debate board, it is generally accepted that when someone says something it is an opinion and there is no need to state that over and over again. Normally if they say something is fact they are expected to back it up unless the fact is so well known as to not need it (like Trump being the current president of the US).

[-Astoria-]

Yes, but that won't magically make you immune to justified criticism either.

Which makes one wonder why Trump seems to believe that. He seems to think he's incincible just because he's the president of the United States. He doesn't seem to understand that his power is given to him by the people, not god or himself.

Well, more accurately given by the electoral college, but that's another story...

I congratulate you this time, for at least saying in my opinion not your facts, as many here do.

'Imma let you finish, but:

My statement happens to be a fact, happens to be true.

[Major-Tom]

He's always had a bad habit of just getting a bit too defensive. Call it authentic, call it overly pugnacious, it's just part of Joe whether we like it or not.

It is just a clear line of attack. I mean seriously, Trump took the short form of cognitive test (the real one takes days) and is bragging about passing. If he wanted he could take the test, pass, and then make a joke about it.

Yeah, I mean, he really should. I don’t see how he’d fail it, Biden just has this bad habit of being way too combative over otherwise easy questions.

[Zurkerx]

https://www.politico.com/news/2020/08/05/joe-biden-reporter-cognitive-test-391771

Biden's getting in fights again.

It actually wasn't that bad. He was obviously joking with the guy and laughing it off. That is vintage Biden. This reminds me of his debate with Paul Ryan in 2012. The laughing strategy actually worked in the eyes of the people who watched the debate.

I agree though probably not the best comparison to use. I got what he was saying but I think I would have used a different analogy. Either way, that laugh, or cackle, is bound to drive Trump mad: it's very effective.

[Greater Miami Shores]

And also, not counting the fact that many undocumented immigrants became such by overstaying their visas...

Besides that, my post on the other things you said still stands.

#1 ill believe it when I see it.

#2 What's wrong with a road map to citizenship?

Biden does support amnesty for 11 million illegals it is on Biden's website. What is wrong with it, making illegals legal, if you believe in legal immigration is legal and illegal immigration is illegal.

That said, I posted and perhaps you have not seen it, if I were President of the USA, the only political deal I would make with the Democrats on DACA, is support for ending birth right citizenship, which requires a two thirds majority. So that future DACAs would not be needed. The end of sending or having kids in the USA by illegals and then demanding to be made legal, because my kids are legal. Naturally most Democrats would not agree to the deal.

[The Greater Ohio Valley]

Biden does support amnesty for 11 million illegals it is on Biden's website. What is wrong with it, making illegals legal, if you believe in legal immigration is legal and illegal immigration is illegal.

It literally says provide a roadmap for citizenship, not amnesty.

[Greater Miami Shores]

Biden does support amnesty for 11 million illegals it is on Biden's website. What is wrong with it, making illegals legal, if you believe in legal immigration is legal and illegal immigration is illegal.

It literally says provide a roadmap for citizenship, not amnesty.

A road map to citizenship is amnesty for illegals, no matter how you all try to spin it, It makes illegals legal, so it is amnesty for illegals, or whatever you wish to call it, it amounts to the same thing.

[Atheris]

It literally says provide a roadmap for citizenship, not amnesty.

A road map to citizenship is amnesty for illegals, no matter how you all try to spin it, It makes illegals legal, so it is amnesty for illegals, or whatever you wish to call it, it amounts to the same thing.

...No.

[Necroghastia]

It literally says provide a roadmap for citizenship, not amnesty.

A road map to citizenship is amnesty for illegals, no matter how you all try to spin it, It makes illegals legal, so it is amnesty for illegals, or whatever you wish to call it, it amounts to the same thing.

Aren't you an immigrant yourself? Are you saying you're an illegal immigrant?

Because without following some sort of roadmap to citizenship I can't see how you would become one, and since those are apparently "amnesty for illegals"....

[Greater Miami Shores]

A road map to citizenship is amnesty for illegals, no matter how you all try to spin it, It makes illegals legal, so it is amnesty for illegals, or whatever you wish to call it, it amounts to the same thing.

...No.

lol, I am wrong again like always, according to those who strongly disagree with me, But I am not surprised,

[The Greater Ohio Valley]

It literally says provide a roadmap for citizenship, not amnesty.

A road map to citizenship is amnesty for illegals, no matter how you all try to spin it, It makes illegals legal, so it is amnesty for illegals, or whatever you wish to call it, it amounts to the same thing.

Then you are using the word "amnesty" wrong, "amnesty" means: an official pardon for people who have been convicted of political offenses, or grant an official pardon to. That would be Biden issuing a unilateral presidential pardon to all undocumented immigrants, providing a roadmap to citizenship is not a presidential pardon.

[The Greater Ohio Valley]

...No.

lol, I am wrong again like always, according to those who strongly disagree with me, But I am not surprised,

You are also wrong according to most English dictionaries.

[Greater Miami Shores]

A road map to citizenship is amnesty for illegals, no matter how you all try to spin it, It makes illegals legal, so it is amnesty for illegals, or whatever you wish to call it, it amounts to the same thing.

Then you are using the word "amnesty" wrong, "amnesty" means: an official pardon for people who have been convicted of political offenses, or grant an official pardon to. That would be Biden issuing a unilateral presidential pardon to all undocumented immigrants, providing a roadmap to citizenship is not a presidential pardon.

If so I am using the wrong word, thank you for correcting me on it. The rest of my post stands.

[The Black Forrest]

It literally says provide a roadmap for citizenship, not amnesty.

A road map to citizenship is amnesty for illegals, no matter how you all try to spin it, It makes illegals legal, so it is amnesty for illegals, or whatever you wish to call it, it amounts to the same thing.

Ok. How much money do we spend trying to find and deport these people?

How much money would we spend trying to integrate these people?