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Of All The Parties With 50+ Electoral Votes of Ballot Access, Which Party Do You Prefer?

Republicans
73
23%
Democrats
111
35%
Libertarians
24
8%
Greens
59
19%
Constitution Party
12
4%
Alliance Party
4
1%
Socialism and Liberation
31
10%
 
Total votes : 314

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Postby Alcala-Cordel » Tue Aug 04, 2020 4:49 pm

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Greater Miami Shores wrote:Bernie allover again, or another version of Bernie. Even Democrat Joe Biden supports the Cuban communist regime, while he criticized Bernie for it.

i don't think that joe biden supports the cuban communists, tragically. bernie was a bit of an apologist which was great, though he could've probably gone further.

Again with the calling things that don't represent communist ideas in this thread communist. :/
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Postby Cekoviu » Tue Aug 04, 2020 4:50 pm

Alcala-Cordel wrote:
Cekoviu wrote:i don't think that joe biden supports the cuban communists, tragically. bernie was a bit of an apologist which was great, though he could've probably gone further.

Again with the calling things that don't represent communist ideas in this thread communist. :/

okay, fair, they are ostensible communists but really more state socialists, which is actually preferable but yeah it's not the same thing
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Postby Jedi Council » Tue Aug 04, 2020 4:51 pm

Alcala-Cordel wrote:
Cekoviu wrote:i don't think that joe biden supports the cuban communists, tragically. bernie was a bit of an apologist which was great, though he could've probably gone further.

Again with the calling things that don't represent communist ideas in this thread communist. :/

Well communism is a utopia, no state has ever been truly communist, so pointing to any attempt in the real world to forge a utopia along communist lines, be it the Sovirt Union or China to name a few, would fall into this criticism.
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Postby Greater Miami Shores » Tue Aug 04, 2020 4:51 pm

Cekoviu wrote:
Greater Miami Shores wrote:Biden plans to undo all of Trump's anti Cuban regime policies, if he becomes President, he plans to follow Obama's policies on Cuba. You can vote for Joe Biden without holding your nose, since he supports pro Cuban regime policies you support. For this and many other republican reasons I support President Trump and hope Biden does not win.

the reason i dont support biden has little to nothing to do with cuba, so whether he supports it or not would not greatly affect my reluctance to vote for him - my serious problems with biden are, in order from most to least important:
- he has sexually assaulted women
- he has explicitly stated that he will veto a universal healthcare bill
- he may have dementia
- he does not express any interest in establishing socialism in the united states
- he is yet another old white man in a long chain of old white men

Great list on the first one and third one, and there are Democrats and Democrat supporters who criticize me for supporting and defending President Trump. His son Hunter Biden stated on an interview, his career would not be the same if his name were not Biden, like Burisma and China. A few posts ago they did it again, when I posted many Democrats ignore the sexual allegations against Biden and just want him to win against Trump as many have said in the media and a few on the thread.
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Postby Solvokina » Tue Aug 04, 2020 4:55 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Solvokina wrote:Gabbard should of been the dem candidate


Please tell me your joking. This is a woman who praised Assad.

You're looking at a guy who loves Assad and supports Ba'athism
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Postby Cekoviu » Tue Aug 04, 2020 4:55 pm

Greater Miami Shores wrote:
Cekoviu wrote:the reason i dont support biden has little to nothing to do with cuba, so whether he supports it or not would not greatly affect my reluctance to vote for him - my serious problems with biden are, in order from most to least important:
- he has sexually assaulted women
- he has explicitly stated that he will veto a universal healthcare bill
- he may have dementia
- he does not express any interest in establishing socialism in the united states
- he is yet another old white man in a long chain of old white men

Great list on the first one and third one, and there are Democrats and Democrat supporters who criticize me for supporting and defending President Trump. His son Hunter Biden stated on an interview, his career would not be the same if his name were not Biden, like Burisma and China. A few posts ago they did it again, when I posted many Democrats ignore the sexual allegations against Biden and just want him to win against Trump as many have said in the media and a few on the thread.

oh i mean it is totally nuts to support trump when you bring up these criticisms against biden, as he has also sexually assaulted women, may have dementia, and his kids would not have the same careers if they weren't named trump... obviously i'm greatly opposed to hypocritical democrats who bring up these issues for trump and ignore them with biden but in my eyes you are no better.
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Postby Shrillland » Tue Aug 04, 2020 4:57 pm

Cekoviu wrote:
Greater Miami Shores wrote:Great list on the first one and third one, and there are Democrats and Democrat supporters who criticize me for supporting and defending President Trump. His son Hunter Biden stated on an interview, his career would not be the same if his name were not Biden, like Burisma and China. A few posts ago they did it again, when I posted many Democrats ignore the sexual allegations against Biden and just want him to win against Trump as many have said in the media and a few on the thread.

oh i mean it is totally nuts to support trump when you bring up these criticisms against biden, as he has also sexually assaulted women, may have dementia, and his kids would not have the same careers if they weren't named trump... obviously i'm greatly opposed to hypocritical democrats who bring up these issues for trump and ignore them with biden but in my eyes you are no better.


Trust me, plenty of us aren't ignoring these issues, we just have nowhere else to go in our travesty of a political system.
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Postby Solvokina » Tue Aug 04, 2020 4:58 pm

Cisairse wrote:
Repubblica Fascista Sociale Italiana wrote:Why would Rojava do that?

Because I want them to.

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Postby Solvokina » Tue Aug 04, 2020 4:58 pm

Jedi Council wrote:
Alcala-Cordel wrote:Again with the calling things that don't represent communist ideas in this thread communist. :/

Well communism is a utopia, no state has ever been truly communist, so pointing to any attempt in the real world to forge a utopia along communist lines, be it the Sovirt Union or China to name a few, would fall into this criticism.

Chinese Maoism has to be destroyed now. Spread Marxist-Leninism
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Postby Greater Miami Shores » Tue Aug 04, 2020 4:59 pm

Cekoviu wrote:
Greater Miami Shores wrote:Great list on the first one and third one, and there are Democrats and Democrat supporters who criticize me for supporting and defending President Trump. His son Hunter Biden stated on an interview, his career would not be the same if his name were not Biden, like Burisma and China. A few posts ago they did it again, when I posted many Democrats ignore the sexual allegations against Biden and just want him to win against Trump as many have said in the media and a few on the thread.

oh i mean it is totally nuts to support trump when you bring up these criticisms against biden, as he has also sexually assaulted women, may have dementia, and his kids would not have the same careers if they weren't named trump... obviously i'm greatly opposed to hypocritical democrats who bring up these issues for trump and ignore them with biden but in my eyes you are no better.

I understand your post, but your support of Cuba and the Castros is my technical problem with you, but I support your right to your views and to post it too me and anyone.
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Postby Shrillland » Tue Aug 04, 2020 5:00 pm

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Postby Alcala-Cordel » Tue Aug 04, 2020 5:00 pm

Cisairse wrote:
Repubblica Fascista Sociale Italiana wrote:Why would Rojava do that?

Because I want them to.

Careful, you don't want to get the Assad Curse now

Seriously though it would be awesome if the Rojava took over, hopefully they don't get CIA'd.
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Postby Cekoviu » Tue Aug 04, 2020 5:00 pm

Shrillland wrote:
Cekoviu wrote:oh i mean it is totally nuts to support trump when you bring up these criticisms against biden, as he has also sexually assaulted women, may have dementia, and his kids would not have the same careers if they weren't named trump... obviously i'm greatly opposed to hypocritical democrats who bring up these issues for trump and ignore them with biden but in my eyes you are no better.


Trust me, plenty of us aren't ignoring these issues, we just have nowhere else to go in our travesty of a political system.

right, i understand that there are people who do understand the gravity of the situation, do criticize biden for those things, and are simply being pragmatic (on both sides of the aisle) - i've previously stated my own pragmatic reasoning for why i would vote biden if he chose karen bass as vp. that's why i put hypocritical democrats there in order to distinguish them from those who are not so.
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Jedi Council wrote:Well communism is a utopia, no state has ever been truly communist, so pointing to any attempt in the real world to forge a utopia along communist lines, be it the Sovirt Union or China to name a few, would fall into this criticism.

Chinese Maoism has the be destroyed now. Spread Marxist-Leninism

surprisingly good take from you.
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Postby Alcala-Cordel » Tue Aug 04, 2020 5:02 pm

Jedi Council wrote:
Alcala-Cordel wrote:Again with the calling things that don't represent communist ideas in this thread communist. :/

Well communism is a utopia, no state has ever been truly communist, so pointing to any attempt in the real world to forge a utopia along communist lines, be it the Sovirt Union or China to name a few, would fall into this criticism.

There's no such thing as a communist state because communism is stateless. The best attempts are the EZLN, Paris Commune. CNT-FAI, and Rojava.
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Postby Cekoviu » Tue Aug 04, 2020 5:03 pm

Greater Miami Shores wrote:
Cekoviu wrote:oh i mean it is totally nuts to support trump when you bring up these criticisms against biden, as he has also sexually assaulted women, may have dementia, and his kids would not have the same careers if they weren't named trump... obviously i'm greatly opposed to hypocritical democrats who bring up these issues for trump and ignore them with biden but in my eyes you are no better.

I understand your post, but your support of Cuba and the Castros is my technical problem with you, but I support your right to your views and to post it too me and anyone.

i am completely unsurprised by the fact that you would disagree with that, and as much as i disagree, i do understand what circumstances might lead to you personally feeling that way. what is strange to me is that you dodge any sort of criticism of your positions by simply stating that you disagree with the interlocutor but respect her right to feel that way; one must lack serious conviction or drive in their beliefs to not want to argue them in full, no?
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Postby Solvokina » Tue Aug 04, 2020 5:03 pm

Cisairse wrote:
The Reformed American Republic wrote:Anti-Alexander Hamilton is a better term. Anti-Globalism is another term that describes me.

In the early Republic, corporations were heavely regulated and restricted. People like Jefferson also warned of corporate power. We are not founded on corporate rule or modern capitalism. That cultural myth was created later.

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Postby Solvokina » Tue Aug 04, 2020 5:03 pm

Alcala-Cordel wrote:
Jedi Council wrote:Well communism is a utopia, no state has ever been truly communist, so pointing to any attempt in the real world to forge a utopia along communist lines, be it the Sovirt Union or China to name a few, would fall into this criticism.

There's no such thing as a communist state because communism is stateless. The best attempts are the EZLN, Paris Commune. CNT-FAI, and Rojava.

True communism isn't stateless. It's completely centralised with a strong government which provides to the people without a market
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Postby Solvokina » Tue Aug 04, 2020 5:05 pm

Cekoviu wrote:
Solvokina wrote:Chinese Maoism has the be destroyed now. Spread Marxist-Leninism

surprisingly good take from you.

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Postby Cekoviu » Tue Aug 04, 2020 5:06 pm

Solvokina wrote:
Alcala-Cordel wrote:There's no such thing as a communist state because communism is stateless. The best attempts are the EZLN, Paris Commune. CNT-FAI, and Rojava.

True communism isn't stateless. It's completely centralised with a strong government which provides to the people without a market

my understanding is that the typical goal of marxist communism is for the state to "wither away" once an environment has been fostered in which the workers can own the means of production and a power vacuum will not form such that counterrevolutionary forces can take power. i personally find that to be a fundamentally flawed and unrealistic viewpoint, but that is the generally understood definition of communism and has historically been the proclaimed goal of most socialist regimes, so this claim is a bit odd to me
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Postby Major-Tom » Tue Aug 04, 2020 5:10 pm

Solvokina wrote:
Cekoviu wrote:surprisingly good take from you.

I just want my Yugo restored


Did it break down again or something? They're known for that.
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Postby Solvokina » Tue Aug 04, 2020 5:11 pm

Cekoviu wrote:
Solvokina wrote:True communism isn't stateless. It's completely centralised with a strong government which provides to the people without a market

my understanding is that the typical goal of marxist communism is for the state to "wither away" once an environment has been fostered in which the workers can own the means of production and a power vacuum will not form such that counterrevolutionary forces can take power. i personally find that to be a fundamentally flawed and unrealistic viewpoint, but that is the generally understood definition of communism and has historically been the proclaimed goal of most socialist regimes, so this claim is a bit odd to me

I'm aware but it will not work in that manner. You either have a strong government, or you get fucked
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Postby Jedi Council » Tue Aug 04, 2020 5:11 pm

Solvokina wrote:
Alcala-Cordel wrote:There's no such thing as a communist state because communism is stateless. The best attempts are the EZLN, Paris Commune. CNT-FAI, and Rojava.

True communism isn't stateless. It's completely centralised with a strong government which provides to the people without a market

True communism is stateless. The stated goal of most "communist" regimes is to have the Government no longer be necessary. Its a fairly silly idea, which is why places like China or the Soviet Union failed to achieve it.
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Postby Solvokina » Tue Aug 04, 2020 5:11 pm

Major-Tom wrote:
Solvokina wrote:I just want my Yugo restored


Did it break down again or something? They're known for that.

Yeah. Nothing a little duct tape couldn't fix
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Postby Solvokina » Tue Aug 04, 2020 5:12 pm

Jedi Council wrote:
Solvokina wrote:True communism isn't stateless. It's completely centralised with a strong government which provides to the people without a market

True communism is stateless. The stated goal of most "communist" regimes is to have the Government no longer be necessary. Its a fairly silly idea, which is why places like China or the Soviet Union failed to achieve it.

It failed to achieve it as something called an economy exists and the idea of self-reliance for an economy wouldn't work well when capitalism exists
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Postby Alcala-Cordel » Tue Aug 04, 2020 5:17 pm

Solvokina wrote:
Alcala-Cordel wrote:There's no such thing as a communist state because communism is stateless. The best attempts are the EZLN, Paris Commune. CNT-FAI, and Rojava.

True communism isn't stateless. It's completely centralised with a strong government which provides to the people without a market

Communism is stateless, the states you're describing are states that pretend to be assisting in the transition to communism.
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