2020 US General Election Thread VII: Summer of Discontent

[Ifreann]

Honestly if Biden said that he would cut ties with Saudi Arabia I would vote for him in a heartbeat

China and Saudi Arabia both need to be parted wih.

Stop selling to the rich and buying on the cheap? That doesn't sound very capitalism.

[San Lumen]

To tie this back into the original topic, many Americans are tired of the foreign wars that take thousands of innocent lives and make the world a scarier place. Unfortunately Joe Biden was part of an administration that had heavy war mongering tendencies and he supported the war in Iraq, and Trump basically admitted to stealing Syrian oil. This is one of the facets of what the establishment in America is about, which is continuing the status quo. The status quo was so utterly shit that it led to the current era we live in. You see this is how crazy the last several presidents have made America.

The US House can appoint anyone as Speaker. So the House should now move a motion to delay elections for 4 years. If the Senate agrees and Trump signs it, the House should then hold an election for a new Speaker.

Jimmy Carter 2021!

They can't. Terms are for two years. Its mandated by the constitution.

[Borderlands of Rojava]

To tie this back into the original topic, many Americans are tired of the foreign wars that take thousands of innocent lives and make the world a scarier place. Unfortunately Joe Biden was part of an administration that had heavy war mongering tendencies and he supported the war in Iraq, and Trump basically admitted to stealing Syrian oil. This is one of the facets of what the establishment in America is about, which is continuing the status quo. The status quo was so utterly shit that it led to the current era we live in. You see this is how crazy the last several presidents have made America.

The US House can appoint anyone as Speaker. So the House should now move a motion to delay elections for 4 years. If the Senate agrees and Trump signs it, the House should then hold an election for a new Speaker.

Jimmy Carter 2021!

I wanna just elect Morgan freeman and get it over with.

[Region of Dwipantara]

The alleged sectarianism toward sunnis that was spoken about in the article has a link next to it. The link leads to the US state department.

The US state department is the last place I would be getting info about Assad from. I'm not saying Assad is a great guy, but in Assad Syria christians aren't being beheaded in the street or tied together and blown up. That happens in rebel controlled areas. The rebels are islamists whether western media wants to admit it or not, and if Assad fell (he probably won't now since he's basically won the war), Syria would become what Libya is currently. A failed state full of terrorists, oil smugglers, criminals and starving children.

Saddam Hussein was considered secular, despite himself being minority Sunni and his staff being heavily Sunni (also from his region). He had at least some Shi'ite members of staff.

"Secular" in the ME has to taken to mean "not outright banning other sects or religions" but discrimination is expected.

And that the ruler is probably a militaristic dictator who established himself on a somekind of nationalist ideology. In comparison, Saudi Arabia is not a secular state, for example.

Honestly if Biden said that he would cut ties with Saudi Arabia I would vote for him in a heartbeat

So Biden will put us on a path to that eventuality. By embracing green energy, we will run clean at home and still produce enough oil for the entire western world.

At that point, Saudi Arabia becomes a footnote.

And I will be very happy. At least, Saudi Arabia will stop being a 7th century horrific dictatorship whose hobby is exporting Islamism, and settles as a normal horrific dictatorship.

[Galloism]

So Biden will put us on a path to that eventuality. By embracing green energy, we will run clean at home and still produce enough oil for the entire western world.

At that point, Saudi Arabia becomes a footnote.

Haven't we been self-sufficient w/r/t oil for decades anyway?

WE are, yes.

Europe is not, and we still like Europe. Kinda.

[Valrifell]

So Biden will put us on a path to that eventuality. By embracing green energy, we will run clean at home and still produce enough oil for the entire western world.

At that point, Saudi Arabia becomes a footnote.

Haven't we been self-sufficient w/r/t oil for decades anyway?

The US is a top producer of oil and can meet its demand without input from the Middle East, afaik.

The Saudis only make up like .2% of oil in the states I think?

[Cisairse]

Honestly if Biden said that he would cut ties with Saudi Arabia I would vote for him in a heartbeat

Saudi Arabia, Israel and Turkey. Three countries we ought to have nothing to do with since Israel is an ethnostate, Saudi Arabia is a sharia state and Turkey is like a hybrid of both of those things.

I agree.

[Borderlands of Rojava]

China and Saudi Arabia both need to be parted wih.

Stop selling to the rich and buying on the cheap? That doesn't sound very capitalism.

It's not. That's good.

[San Lumen]

The US House can appoint anyone as Speaker. So the House should now move a motion to delay elections for 4 years. If the Senate agrees and Trump signs it, the House should then hold an election for a new Speaker.

Jimmy Carter 2021!

I wanna just elect Morgan freeman and get it over with.

I second the motion. I remember when he played the President in Deep Impact. First African American to ever be portrayed as the President in a major motion picture.

[Thermodolia]

Assad has won the war. It’s been over for awhile now

Well, it's more of Syria is a failed state and Assad maintains control over what little parts of the country he needs to stay alive and wealthy.

No one really won tbh.

I wouldn’t say it’s a failed state. The only thing from keeping it a failed state is the russians

[Cisairse]

Haven't we been self-sufficient w/r/t oil for decades anyway?

WE are, yes.

Europe is not, and we still like Europe. Kinda.

Sad!

[Aureumterra]

Assad has won the war. It’s been over for awhile now

Well, it's more of Syria is a failed state and Assad maintains control over what little parts of the country he needs to stay alive and wealthy.

That’s literally 90% of the country though, and all the major population centers

[Borderlands of Rojava]

So Biden will put us on a path to that eventuality. By embracing green energy, we will run clean at home and still produce enough oil for the entire western world.

At that point, Saudi Arabia becomes a footnote.

Haven't we been self-sufficient w/r/t oil for decades anyway?

Years maybe. Not decades.

[The Reformed American Republic]

China and Saudi Arabia both need to be parted wih.

Stop selling to the rich and buying on the cheap? That doesn't sound very capitalism.

Fuck capitalism. I no longer have loyalty to it.

[Organized States]

So Biden will put us on a path to that eventuality. By embracing green energy, we will run clean at home and still produce enough oil for the entire western world.

At that point, Saudi Arabia becomes a footnote.

Haven't we been self-sufficient w/r/t oil for decades anyway?

Not really...

Saudi Arabia's supplies still buoy prices enough to the point where they remain affordable. Despite that the US is one of the largest producers of oil in the world, Saudi's got such a large supply it helps keep prices reasonable worldwide.

[Region of Dwipantara]

The US House can appoint anyone as Speaker. So the House should now move a motion to delay elections for 4 years. If the Senate agrees and Trump signs it, the House should then hold an election for a new Speaker.

Jimmy Carter 2021!

I wanna just elect Morgan freeman and get it over with.

And kick off 1001 kinds of Hollywood-style assasination attempts on the world's most important office? As fun as the evening news could've become, no thanks.

[Thermodolia]

So Biden will put us on a path to that eventuality. By embracing green energy, we will run clean at home and still produce enough oil for the entire western world.

At that point, Saudi Arabia becomes a footnote.

It will always be cheaper for Europeans and other allies to import oil from Saudi Arabia or Russia through rail/pipeline than from the US through boat. Unless we sell our oil at a loss or literally give it away.

Idk that sounds fun but I don't think anyone would go for it.

I’ve actually suggested that. Though we could sell our oil at a little less than market price but remove NATO monetary requirements

[San Lumen]

I wanna just elect Morgan freeman and get it over with.

And kick off 1001 kinds of Hollywood-style assasination attempts on the world's most important office? As fun as the evening news could've become, no thanks.

What makes you think that would happen?

[Nobel Hobos 2]

Honestly if Biden said that he would cut ties with Saudi Arabia I would vote for him in a heartbeat

So Biden will put us on a path to that eventuality. By embracing green energy, we will run clean at home and still produce enough oil for the entire western world.

At that point, Saudi Arabia becomes a footnote.

Yah, that's going to take a while. Don't you think it would be wise to stop pumping oil now, so there is some left for later?

So Biden will put us on a path to that eventuality. By embracing green energy, we will run clean at home and still produce enough oil for the entire western world.

At that point, Saudi Arabia becomes a footnote.

Haven't we been self-sufficient w/r/t oil for decades anyway?

No. That's an accounting scam: petrol and other fuels are a lot more expensive than crude oil. The US exports refined fuel and that looks good on the balance sheet.

Afaik, the US is still a net importer of crude oil. It might have turned around recently, but certainly it hasn't been self-sufficient "for decades".

[Galloism]

So Biden will put us on a path to that eventuality. By embracing green energy, we will run clean at home and still produce enough oil for the entire western world.

At that point, Saudi Arabia becomes a footnote.

Yah, that's going to take a while. Don't you think it would be wise to stop pumping oil now, so there is some left for later?

Europe's entire system is currently being held up by the herculean strength of the Fed through this crisis, let's not break them by tripling the price of their oil.

[Borderlands of Rojava]

So Biden will put us on a path to that eventuality. By embracing green energy, we will run clean at home and still produce enough oil for the entire western world.

At that point, Saudi Arabia becomes a footnote.

Yah, that's going to take a while. Don't you think it would be wise to stop pumping oil now, so there is some left for later?

Haven't we been self-sufficient w/r/t oil for decades anyway?

No. That's an accounting scam: petrol and other fuels are a lot more expensive than crude oil. The US exports refined fuel and that looks good on the balance sheet.

Afaik, the US is still a net importer of crude oil. It might have turned around recently, but certainly it hasn't been self-sufficient "for decades".

Now it all makes sense.

[Organized States]

That’s literally 90% of the country though, and all the major population centers

That 90% of the country is a remarkably loose 90%. It's dominated by numerous competing militias backed by both Iran and Russia who both fight among themselves and the Regime's forces. Easiest comparison I can think of is 1930s and 1940s China. This is excluding the absurd amounts of territory that is the literal wild west right now.

[Ifreann]

Stop selling to the rich and buying on the cheap? That doesn't sound very capitalism.

Fuck capitalism. I no longer have loyalty to it.

How anti-American.

[The Reformed American Republic]

Fuck capitalism. I no longer have loyalty to it.

How anti-American.

Anti-Alexander Hamilton is a better term. Anti-Globalism is another term that describes me.

In the early Republic, corporations were heavely regulated and restricted. People like Jefferson also warned of corporate power. We are not founded on corporate rule or modern capitalism. That cultural myth was created later.

[Nobel Hobos 2]

Yah, that's going to take a while. Don't you think it would be wise to stop pumping oil now, so there is some left for later?

Europe's entire system is currently being held up by the herculean strength of the Fed through this crisis, let's not break them by tripling the price of their oil.

The ECB is pretty strong too, isn't it?

But yeah, the US buying all it's crude on the world market would likely get a reaction from OPEC but even so the price would go up.
The US wouldn't do it anyway. OMG my Balance of Payments!