2020 US General Election Thread VII: Summer of Discontent

[Cisairse]

Who are we defining as career politicians?

Hillary Clinton. Donald Trump. Mitch McConnell. Debbie Waserman Schultz. Paul Ryan. Mitt Romney. Michael Bloomberg. John Bolton.

Wait, Bloomberg? How the fuck is Bloomberg a "career politician"? He has held a grand total of 1 political office, which represents an absolute minority of his multi-decade career, the rest of which was not in politics.

[Aureumterra]

Who are we defining as career politicians?

Hillary Clinton. Donald Trump. Mitch McConnell. Debbie Waserman Schultz. Paul Ryan. Mitt Romney. Michael Bloomberg. John Bolton.

Why Bloomberg? He was mayor, but he’s not really a full on politician like the others, same with Trump, an outsider who held political office for the first time in 2017

[Cisairse]

It absolutely has: the only Suburban Voters Trump is getting are those fully committed to him, like my family who will vote Republican regardless of how atrocious the Republican Candidate is. They even believe Democrats will destroy the suburbs- Trump said so himself. They have been preaching Trump's words for quite a while now. In their minds, Biden will destroy the country.

Trump made the same play on racial/cultural fears in 2018 and that didn't work out too well- well, maybe it saved the Senate but the down fall of those Senate Candidates was their rejection of Kavanaugh. Trump's strategy isn't going to work again, and it'll likely be worst.

In 2008 and 2012 Communist Obama was suppose to turn America into the USSR.

Every day I wake up and cry that this didn't happen.

[Repubblica Fascista Sociale Italiana]

Gabbard should of been the dem candidate

Please tell me your joking. This is a woman who praised Assad.

And? Assad is by far the best outcome of the Syrian Civil War, please tell me why Assad is the worse option here?

[San Lumen]

Hillary Clinton. Donald Trump. Mitch McConnell. Debbie Waserman Schultz. Paul Ryan. Mitt Romney. Michael Bloomberg. John Bolton.

Why Bloomberg? He was mayor, but he’s not really a full on politician like the others, same with Trump, an outsider who held political office for the first time in 2017

Anyone whose been in office or gives money to incumbents is given the label establishment

[Kexholm and Karelia]

so you have nothing to refute the article and just using the genetic fallacy, i see

So why don't you explain what's true in it. With your own sources.

there’s an easier way to say "I don’t have anything to refute this"

[Cisairse]

Please tell me your joking. This is a woman who praised Assad.

And? Assad is by far the best outcome of the Syrian Civil War, please tell me why Assad is the worse option here?

Because if Assad wins the war then Rojava can't conquer the entirety of Syria and establish a utopian anarcho-socialist Levantine paradise.

[Aureumterra]

You’re disregarding an argument based on the source of the argument and its past actions, instead of refuting the argument made itself

By the way the link leads to a Newsweek article by Charlie Kirk, not TPUSA per say

Charlie Kirk is one of the founders of TPUSA.

Wow I did not know that!

I thought all those toilet paper USA memes were his twin brother!

[United States of Devonta]

So why don't you explain what's true in it. With your own sources.

there’s an easier way to say "I don’t have anything to refute this"

You did provide a showty sourced article, so you could provide the sources backing said claims up?

you brought forth the article and should be able to support it.

[San Lumen]

Please tell me your joking. This is a woman who praised Assad.

And? Assad is by far the best outcome of the Syrian Civil War, please tell me why Assad is the worse option here?

Are you serious? Assad is a monster.

[United States of Devonta]

Charlie Kirk is one of the founders of TPUSA.

Wow I did not know that!

I thought all those toilet paper USA memes were his twin brother!

You should of.

[Repubblica Fascista Sociale Italiana]

And? Assad is by far the best outcome of the Syrian Civil War, please tell me why Assad is the worse option here?

Because if Assad wins the war then Rojava can't conquer the entirety of Syria and establish a utopian anarcho-socialist Levantine paradise.

Why would Rojava do that? The only reason they still exist and haven’t been completely asswiped is because of an intricate geopolitical web that’s shielded them, we saw a few months back that they’re shit at defending themselves from even the worst trained armies in the world.

Assad is by far the best outcome for Syria, the rebels are just borderline Islamists, and Assad’s government is the only faction which won’t genocide Christians

[Repubblica Fascista Sociale Italiana]

And? Assad is by far the best outcome of the Syrian Civil War, please tell me why Assad is the worse option here?

Are you serious? Assad is a monster.

Okay… and? I specifically asked how he’s worse than the other options in the Syrian Civil War, you’re telling me someone who will protect Christians is a monster but borderline Islamists are not?

[The Reformed American Republic]

You’re disregarding an argument based on the source of the argument and its past actions, instead of refuting the argument made itself

By the way the link leads to a Newsweek article by Charlie Kirk, not TPUSA per say

It's an opinion piece by a spokesperson for a notoriously bad organization. So yes, people should not have to engage with it.

Also, I did engage with the article, read my other post. Did I waste my time reading it? Yes.

TP USA just wants to serve corporations. I'm not going to even read it as the organization is pull of unintelligent partisan hacks.

It's Conservative, inc.

[Cisairse]

Because if Assad wins the war then Rojava can't conquer the entirety of Syria and establish a utopian anarcho-socialist Levantine paradise.

Why would Rojava do that?

Because I want them to.

[San Lumen]

Are you serious? Assad is a monster.

Okay… and? I specifically asked how he’s worse than the other options in the Syrian Civil War, you’re telling me someone who will protect Christians is a monster but borderline Islamists are not?

Have Christians been genocided in any middle eastern country? The answer is no

[Cannot think of a name]

Given the amount of things his organisation has lied about?

so you have nothing to refute the article and just using the genetic fallacy, i see

Well, the article doesn't really make many concrete claims but rather a bunch of inferences that in order for them to be condemning you also have to be onboard with a lot of other assumed premises, like leaving the World Health Organization is a good idea and staying in it is somehow tantamount to, quoting the article, being "Bejing's favorite lobbyist.'

It presents the idea that the WHO is wholly the puppet of the Chinese government as beyond dispute, so does not bother establishing or proving that, nor does it really indicate what leaving the organization is supposed to do our how it improves our own position in the world and our preparedness to deal with pandemics and the like. So the article is less persuasive and more like that note you get thanking someone for making a purchase, it's for people who have already 'bought in.'

It mentions the TPP which it associates with NAFTA but fails to make even a tenious connection to its premise that Biden is all about China, or in fact what that has to do with anything. Here it is relying on the reader's ignorance hoping that they'll make the assumption that TPP was somehow a favor to China without having to go out on that dangerous limb of proving that.

It makes hay out of travel bans early in the epidemic (where the WHO were more broad than just Trump), but leaves out that Trump's travel ban would not have prevented the US' outbreaks because the infections in New York which became the epicenter were from other countries.

It's also notable, again, that the travel ban to China was Trump's only move. And when it didn't work he didn't press on to find a solution, he insisted it wasn't a problem and only in the last weeks even succumb to endorsing masks after rejecting their use earlier. So the cry that the mean ol' WHO wouldn't let him use the band aid on the dam crack rings hallow.

And again, none of this establishes Biden's apparent love for China because he wants to rejoin the WHO. Of his three points that are supposed to indicate that Biden's all about that China is voting to give China a favored trading status in order to bring them in line with international standards (in which he takes the mixed results of that intention to apparently mean Biden loves China?), TPP which noted by someone else was to form a trading partnership to counterbalance China, and Biden wanting to rejoin the WHO where it fails to make any substantial connection with that and being a 'lobbyist for China'.

The article is bad and it should feel bad.

[Cisairse]

Have Christians been genocided in any middle eastern country? The answer is no

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[Ifreann]

Charlie Kirk is one of the founders of TPUSA.

Wow I did not know that!

I thought all those toilet paper USA memes were his twin brother!

So when you say that the article was by Charlie Kirk and not TPUSA, there's not really any difference between the two. Charlie kinda runs the thing.

[The Reformed American Republic]

And? Assad is by far the best outcome of the Syrian Civil War, please tell me why Assad is the worse option here?

Are you serious? Assad is a monster.

Many world leaders are monsters, but we shouldn't intervene everywhere as a result. Iraq was run by a monster but our intervention allowed worse monsters to rise.

[Repubblica Fascista Sociale Italiana]

Okay… and? I specifically asked how he’s worse than the other options in the Syrian Civil War, you’re telling me someone who will protect Christians is a monster but borderline Islamists are not?

Have Christians been genocided in any middle eastern country? The answer is no

What are you talking about? Have you not been paying attention to Syria? The """"""Free"""""" Syrian Army has forced millions of Christians to flee territories controlled by them and also IS when it was still a thing. Assad’s government on the other hand protects Syria’s secularism and its 1.2 million Christians.

[Nobel Hobos 2]

Gabbard should of been the dem candidate

Please tell me your joking. This is a woman who praised Assad.

Is that all you've got against her?

Obama was wrong. That wasn't a war the US would benefit by winning, the US never went in hard enough to win (particularly against the Russians who would have happily made it a proxy war ... they need to test their gear too!), and all that was achieved was loss of US prestige, loss of US lives and money, and the prolonging of a nasty civil war.

Speaking something good about Assad is just a shy way of saying Obama was wrong.

[Aureumterra]

Okay… and? I specifically asked how he’s worse than the other options in the Syrian Civil War, you’re telling me someone who will protect Christians is a monster but borderline Islamists are not?

Have Christians been genocided in any middle eastern country? The answer is no

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Armenian_Genocide

[Vassenor]

Have Christians been genocided in any middle eastern country? The answer is no

What are you talking about? Have you not been paying attention to Syria? The """"""Free"""""" Syrian Army has forced millions of Christians to flee territories controlled by them and also IS when it was still a thing. Assad’s government on the other hand protects Syria’s secularism and its 1.2 million Christians.

While inflicting Sarin gas and barrel bombs on its own citizens because they might not support the government.

[Dresderstan]

And? Assad is by far the best outcome of the Syrian Civil War, please tell me why Assad is the worse option here?

Are you serious? Assad is a monster.

Then who should run it, a bunch of weak and divided rebels?