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Of All The Parties With 50+ Electoral Votes of Ballot Access, Which Party Do You Prefer?

Republicans
73
23%
Democrats
111
35%
Libertarians
24
8%
Greens
59
19%
Constitution Party
12
4%
Alliance Party
4
1%
Socialism and Liberation
31
10%
 
Total votes : 314

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Postby Dresderstan » Fri Jul 31, 2020 4:40 pm

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San Lumen wrote:There is a difference between a Whig style collapse and a split


Well, La Xinga asked the question as going "kapoof", so I interpreted that as a Whig style collapse.

Which I think is highly unlikely, it'll be more that the party will be divided between sides until they have a leader to unite behind, but a Whig styled collapse and a rise of a new party, I don't think the 2020s is gonna be a somewhat modern retelling of the 1850s with the GOP in the form of the Whigs.

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Postby Zurkerx » Fri Jul 31, 2020 4:53 pm



It seems Harris, Rice, and Bass are the Top Contenders. And this push back makes more sense: one usually announces just before the convention. It also tells me Biden is pondering between those picks, which suggests he has a tough choice ahead.
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Postby Kannap » Fri Jul 31, 2020 4:55 pm

Zurkerx wrote:


It seems Harris, Rice, and Bass are the Top Contenders. And this push back makes more sense: one usually announces just before the convention. It also tells me Biden is pondering between those picks, which suggests he has a tough choice ahead.


God, I hope it's Bass.
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Postby Uiiop » Fri Jul 31, 2020 5:01 pm

Kannap wrote:
Zurkerx wrote:
It seems Harris, Rice, and Bass are the Top Contenders. And this push back makes more sense: one usually announces just before the convention. It also tells me Biden is pondering between those picks, which suggests he has a tough choice ahead.


God, I hope it's Bass.

Vibe check because the Opposition research on her dropped

I think she should answer to this but given the other big choices i don't care as much unless she's a full-blown deep into that cult.
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Postby Galloism » Fri Jul 31, 2020 5:04 pm

Uiiop wrote:
Kannap wrote:
God, I hope it's Bass.

Vibe check because the Opposition research on her dropped

I think she should answer to this but given the other big choices i don't care as much unless she's a full-blown deep into that cult.

I can’t argue that Scientology hasn’t made a difference.
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Postby Valrifell » Fri Jul 31, 2020 5:11 pm

Uiiop wrote:
Kannap wrote:
God, I hope it's Bass.

Vibe check because the Opposition research on her dropped

I think she should answer to this but given the other big choices i don't care as much unless she's a full-blown deep into that cult.


If it were any other cult...
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Postby Kowani » Fri Jul 31, 2020 5:11 pm

Uiiop wrote:
Kannap wrote:
God, I hope it's Bass.

Vibe check because the Opposition research on her dropped

I think she should answer to this but given the other big choices i don't care as much unless she's a full-blown deep into that cult.

Out of curiosity, do we have a source that isn't the Daily Caller?
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Postby South Odreria 2 » Fri Jul 31, 2020 5:12 pm

So it’s between genocide, crooked cop, fake Indian, and Scientology.

Gotta stick with Bass
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Postby Very High IQ » Fri Jul 31, 2020 5:47 pm

South Odreria 2 wrote:So it’s between genocide, crooked cop, fake Indian, and Scientology.

Gotta stick with Bass

I think Biden's promise to pick a woman has backfired. If he included both men and women he would have a wider selection of candidates and it would have been easier for him to find someone without these problems

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Postby The Yellow Emperor » Fri Jul 31, 2020 5:56 pm

A nice quote by Barry Goldwater [...]

“Mark my word, if and when these preachers get control of the [Republican] party, and they're sure trying to do so, it's going to be a terrible damn problem. Frankly, these people frighten me. Politics and governing demand compromise. But these Christians believe they are acting in the name of God, so they can't and won't compromise. I know, I've tried to deal with them.”


Any bells ringing from Donald J. Trump's administration, and his supportive base? I wonder how the elections would go, in the next few months. Especially Biden's pick... I hope it is Bass, or someone else.

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Postby Zurkerx » Fri Jul 31, 2020 6:10 pm

Uiiop wrote:
Kannap wrote:
God, I hope it's Bass.

Vibe check because the Opposition research on her dropped

I think she should answer to this but given the other big choices i don't care as much unless she's a full-blown deep into that cult.


I doubt she is but eh, who knows. Even so, it's from the DailyCaller, not that great of a source to begin with. I'll wait for a more reputable source to report on it. https://www.thedailybeast.com/top-veep- ... g-ceremony

Okay found a source. There's a YouTube video in the description.

In any case, Kamala Harris’ NDA settlement with Terri Carbaugh raises questions. This is from a website that got the story from Business Insider, but that's an exclusive story that requires a subscription. It raises questions as Harris is apparently a critic against NDAs. I wonder what it is hiding...
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Postby Galloism » Fri Jul 31, 2020 6:10 pm

Kowani wrote:
Uiiop wrote:Vibe check because the Opposition research on her dropped

I think she should answer to this but given the other big choices i don't care as much unless she's a full-blown deep into that cult.

Out of curiosity, do we have a source that isn't the Daily Caller?

Scientology website sayeth:

In describing the significance of the city of Los Angeles to Scientologists, Mr. Miscavige said: “It’s the city where the Church of Scientology was first incorporated in 1954. While even more than that, it’s the city with the largest concentration of Scientologists on Earth.”

Also commemorating the occasion was Ms. Karen Bass, Speaker Emeritus of the California State Assembly: “As a public servant, I try to do everything in my power to give a voice to the voiceless, and to guarantee that no one goes unheard. But through human rights education, we empower everyone to lift their voice and to be heard. The Church of Scientology I know has made a difference, because your Creed is a universal creed and one that speaks to all people everywhere.”

Los Angeles City Council member and historic preservationist Paul Koretz spoke of the Church’s place in the rebirth of Hollywood: “Those of us in the city long had a dream for Hollywood. It was for a Phoenix to rise from the ashes, after decades of decline. We needed to transform Hollywood with a cultural revitalization, one that would then ripple out across all of LA. What we are witnessing here is the essence of that Hollywood transformation. Because if ever today there is an example of making this the city of our dreams, it is the Church of Scientology... In renovating this landmark, you have gone beyond all of our expectations for what the new Hollywood can be.”


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Postby Uiiop » Fri Jul 31, 2020 6:17 pm

Kowani wrote:
Uiiop wrote:Vibe check because the Opposition research on her dropped

I think she should answer to this but given the other big choices i don't care as much unless she's a full-blown deep into that cult.

Out of curiosity, do we have a source that isn't the Daily Caller?

https://www.thedailybeast.com/top-veep- ... itter_page
Others have provided but i think DC is bad enough to make amends for sourcing unless one really has to.
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Postby Nobel Hobos 2 » Fri Jul 31, 2020 6:37 pm

Galloism wrote:
Kowani wrote:Out of curiosity, do we have a source that isn't the Daily Caller?

Scientology website sayeth:

In describing the significance of the city of Los Angeles to Scientologists, Mr. Miscavige said: “It’s the city where the Church of Scientology was first incorporated in 1954. While even more than that, it’s the city with the largest concentration of Scientologists on Earth.”

Also commemorating the occasion was Ms. Karen Bass, Speaker Emeritus of the California State Assembly: “As a public servant, I try to do everything in my power to give a voice to the voiceless, and to guarantee that no one goes unheard. But through human rights education, we empower everyone to lift their voice and to be heard. The Church of Scientology I know has made a difference, because your Creed is a universal creed and one that speaks to all people everywhere.”

Los Angeles City Council member and historic preservationist Paul Koretz spoke of the Church’s place in the rebirth of Hollywood: “Those of us in the city long had a dream for Hollywood. It was for a Phoenix to rise from the ashes, after decades of decline. We needed to transform Hollywood with a cultural revitalization, one that would then ripple out across all of LA. What we are witnessing here is the essence of that Hollywood transformation. Because if ever today there is an example of making this the city of our dreams, it is the Church of Scientology... In renovating this landmark, you have gone beyond all of our expectations for what the new Hollywood can be.”


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As an elected politician, she said a nice thing about the Scientologists ... while speaking at the opening of their refurbished building.

This is hardly Earth-shattering.
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Postby The Black Forrest » Fri Jul 31, 2020 6:47 pm

Man.....I saw Obama talking at John’s funeral. It almost hurts when thinking of Trump talking......
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Postby Farnhamia » Fri Jul 31, 2020 6:49 pm

The Black Forrest wrote:Man.....I saw Obama talking at John’s funeral. It almost hurts when thinking of Trump talking......

Which is why no one invites him to their funeral, certainly not to speak.
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Postby The Black Forrest » Fri Jul 31, 2020 6:51 pm

Farnhamia wrote:
The Black Forrest wrote:Man.....I saw Obama talking at John’s funeral. It almost hurts when thinking of Trump talking......

Which is why no one invites him to their funeral, certainly not to speak.


A good call. Eloquence is not something Trump can do.

At least he has the invitation to throw out the first pitch at the Yankees game.
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Postby Nobel Hobos 2 » Fri Jul 31, 2020 6:53 pm

The Black Forrest wrote:
Farnhamia wrote:Which is why no one invites him to their funeral, certainly not to speak.


A good call. Eloquence is not something Trump can do.

At least he has the invitation to throw out the first pitch at the Yankees game.


Oh good. I imagine him teeing up on the pitcher's mound and needing a few things explained to him.
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Postby The Yellow Emperor » Fri Jul 31, 2020 6:55 pm

Zurkerx wrote:
Uiiop wrote:Vibe check because the Opposition research on her dropped

I think she should answer to this but given the other big choices i don't care as much unless she's a full-blown deep into that cult.


I doubt she is but eh, who knows. Even so, it's from the DailyCaller, not that great of a source to begin with. I'll wait for a more reputable source to report on it. https://www.thedailybeast.com/top-veep- ... g-ceremony

Okay found a source. There's a YouTube video in the description.

In any case, Kamala Harris’ NDA settlement with Terri Carbaugh raises questions. This is from a website that got the story from Business Insider, but that's an exclusive story that requires a subscription. It raises questions as Harris is apparently a critic against NDAs. I wonder what it is hiding...

Similar source from News Himalaya on this topic of Kamala' Harris NDA settlement with Terri Carbaugh raises questions [...]

It's a long article; I'll only take out a snipet of the article:

A mysterious decade-light doc from Sen. Kamala Harris’ tenure as California attorney new has sparked a series of unanswered questions surrounding a $34,900 settlement agreement reached with a top aide who quietly left her put of job, Insider has learned.

The 13-page doc — got by Insider through a public-records ask — affords a gape actual into a 2011 dispute involving Harris and her top aide, Terri Carbaugh. Carbaugh, a longtime political operative from the same political circles as Harris in San Francisco, at closing grew to change into her chief deputy in the AG put of job.

The settlement has been circulating amongst media retailers for now now not less than a Twelve months, even though it appears to be no one has talked about it particularly in their reporting. It be surfacing again as Harris emerges on the short list to be presumptive Democratic presidential nominee Joe Biden’s running mate.

Chris Dodd, the ragged Connecticut senator spearheading Biden’s vice-presidential search team, has been urged of the settlement and WilmerHale, a law firm thinking the VP vetting of Harris, is in possession of the settlement doc, a ragged Harris staffer acknowledged.

The settlement appears to be to build an discontinuance to a lawful dispute between Carbaugh and Harris’ put of job, even though it also is scant on crucial points about the underlying drawl. What’s obvious from the doc is that either facet averted what could maybe need been a prolonged and dear court docket fight. Carbaugh walked away with near to $35,000 in taxpayer money, in substitute for shedding her absorb claim to damages surrounding her employment there, and either facet pledged to protect easy about it.

“It be odd,” Michael Genest — a ragged chief financial coverage adviser for then-California Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger who also served in several various California companies — acknowledged when asked to study the doc at Insider’s ask. As attorney new, he acknowledged Harris could maybe need fired a political appointee “for any motive or no motive,” except it used to be a motive that used to be prohibited, equivalent to discrimination or retaliation.

Sabrina Singh, a senior adviser for Harris’ political operation, declined to commentary on the crucial points of the dispute. But, she acknowledged, “Senator Harris strongly opposes the utilization of non-disclosure agreements to silence anybody. She completely supports the originate of Terri Carbaugh from this NDA if she chooses.”

The settlement is one in all several reached when Harris used to be California attorney new for a six-Twelve months duration starting in January 2011. It be also unheard of for containing a nondisclosure agreement. Though the NDA on this settlement is fairly slim in scope, and NDAs aren’t odd as segment of settlement agreements, they grew to change actual into a flashpoint in the #MeToo circulation. Harris herself has railed against them since her election to the Senate in 2016. She introduced guidelines in 2018 to restrict what NDAs can consist of, arguing that overly sizable agreements promote a “culture of grief and silence.”

Highly efficient politicians including President Donald Trump and ragged Democratic presidential candidate Mike Bloomberg are amongst these who maintain contrivance under fire for his or her use of NDAs.

There is now not a evidence that the agreement with Carbaugh enthusiastic allegations of harassment, however neither Carbaugh nor Harris’ representatives would elaborate on the picture about the dispute or why it necessitated the utilization of an NDA.

Biden’s presidential campaign did now now not acknowledge to requests for commentary for this memoir.

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Postby The Black Forrest » Fri Jul 31, 2020 7:10 pm

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The Black Forrest wrote:
A good call. Eloquence is not something Trump can do.

At least he has the invitation to throw out the first pitch at the Yankees game.


Oh good. I imagine him teeing up on the pitcher's mound and needing a few things explained to him.


He would probably have tossed the ball worse then Fauci.

Fauci didn’t do well yet people didn’t care.....well maybe the trump cultists.
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Postby Outer Sparta » Fri Jul 31, 2020 7:14 pm

The Black Forrest wrote:
Farnhamia wrote:Which is why no one invites him to their funeral, certainly not to speak.


A good call. Eloquence is not something Trump can do.

At least he has the invitation to throw out the first pitch at the Yankees game.

Mariano Rivera apparently hung out with him while golfing. Some photo-op to attract Yankees fans?
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Postby The Black Forrest » Fri Jul 31, 2020 7:16 pm

Outer Sparta wrote:
The Black Forrest wrote:
A good call. Eloquence is not something Trump can do.

At least he has the invitation to throw out the first pitch at the Yankees game.

Mariano Rivera apparently hung out with him while golfing. Some photo-op to attract Yankees fans?


Nah. New Yorkers had a love/hate relationship with him. He ran away from New York. He is probably dead to most New Yorkers.
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Postby Outer Sparta » Fri Jul 31, 2020 7:53 pm

The Black Forrest wrote:
Outer Sparta wrote:Mariano Rivera apparently hung out with him while golfing. Some photo-op to attract Yankees fans?


Nah. New Yorkers had a love/hate relationship with him. He ran away from New York. He is probably dead to most New Yorkers.

His affiliation with Trump isn't at all surprising if you take a look into his politics. He's a devout Christian, staunchly supports Israel as a Jewish state, and served on the Opioid and Drug Abuse Commission.
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Postby Zurkerx » Fri Jul 31, 2020 7:59 pm

Farnhamia wrote:
The Black Forrest wrote:Man.....I saw Obama talking at John’s funeral. It almost hurts when thinking of Trump talking......

Which is why no one invites him to their funeral, certainly not to speak.


He wouldn't have gone anyway: Lewis viewed Trump's victory as "illegitimate".

Btw, Trump says he's voting absentee in the 2020 election after months of baseless attacks on mail-in voting. It's basically the same process but it seems he won't say the "mail" part because then it means hes a hypocrite.

Also, it seems there are concerns that Trump is undercutting the postal system ahead of voting. Essentially, they're setting up the process to fail spectacularly, giving Trump ammunition for it's a "fraud election". He does realize we can see through this, right? Well, may be not some.
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