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Of All The Parties With 50+ Electoral Votes of Ballot Access, Which Party Do You Prefer?

Republicans
73
23%
Democrats
111
35%
Libertarians
24
8%
Greens
59
19%
Constitution Party
12
4%
Alliance Party
4
1%
Socialism and Liberation
31
10%
 
Total votes : 314

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Postby Farnhamia » Thu Jul 23, 2020 7:48 pm

The Reformed American Republic wrote:
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And Russians are known to use fake accounts on social media to spread disinformation and sow distrust.

Doesn't mean our media is great though.

Yes, well, as those great 20th century American philosophers, Paul Simon and Arthur Garfunkle wrote, "A man hears what he wants to hear and disregards the rest."
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Postby Valrifell » Thu Jul 23, 2020 7:49 pm

The Reformed American Republic wrote:
The Andromeda Island Group wrote:
And Russians are known to use fake accounts on social media to spread disinformation and sow distrust.

Doesn't mean our media is great though.


Sure, American media is owned by a select few media ventures. However, that does not give folks the right to dismiss whatever they say out of hand. Anyone good at researching a topic would know that you have to get your information from a bunch of sources and try to read past any detected bias to get good info out of it.

That is to say, the corrupt nature of the American media can only go so far to excuse media illiteracy.
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Postby The Andromeda Island Group » Thu Jul 23, 2020 7:49 pm

Alcala-Cordel wrote:
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And Russians are known to use fake accounts on social media to spread disinformation and sow distrust.

And many Americans do this as well in astroturfing efforts. Internal misinformation, external manipulation, it all sucks. It's the bourgeoisie playing with us like we're pawns in a massive game of chess.


I agree. There are many dishonest elements out there who are out to sow distrust in American journalism and American institutions. They have all been known to create fake accounts to promote this distrust.

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Postby The Reformed American Republic » Thu Jul 23, 2020 7:57 pm

Valrifell wrote:
The Reformed American Republic wrote:Doesn't mean our media is great though.


Sure, American media is owned by a select few media ventures. However, that does not give folks the right to dismiss whatever they say out of hand. Anyone good at researching a topic would know that you have to get your information from a bunch of sources and try to read past any detected bias to get good info out of it.

That is to say, the corrupt nature of the American media can only go so far to excuse media illiteracy.

I'm not excusing ignorance or conspiracy theorizing but I am saying that there are significant problems with our media, especially with sensationalism biases, or when they jump to conclusions when they don't have all the facts. Criticism in and of itself does not make one a Russian puppet.

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Postby Slavakino » Thu Jul 23, 2020 7:57 pm

The Andromeda Island Group wrote:
Slavakino wrote:Yeah, the US media is pretty known for being unreliable and biased


And Russians are known to use fake accounts on social media to spread disinformation and sow distrust.

If you're implying I'm a Russian bot I can assure you I'm not. I'm an Australian-Serb
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Postby Aureumterra » Thu Jul 23, 2020 8:16 pm

Alcala-Cordel wrote:
The Andromeda Island Group wrote:
And Russians are known to use fake accounts on social media to spread disinformation and sow distrust.

And many Americans do this as well in astroturfing efforts. Internal misinformation, external manipulation, it all sucks. It's the bourgeoisie playing with us like we're pawns in a massive game of chess.

You had me interested until you started spouting Marxist nonsense
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Postby Nobel Hobos 2 » Thu Jul 23, 2020 9:31 pm

Aureumterra wrote:
Alcala-Cordel wrote:And many Americans do this as well in astroturfing efforts. Internal misinformation, external manipulation, it all sucks. It's the bourgeoisie playing with us like we're pawns in a massive game of chess.

You had me interested until you started spouting Marxist nonsense


Reply to the part you are "interested" in then :roll:
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Postby Vassenor » Fri Jul 24, 2020 12:31 am

Slavakino wrote:
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So you complain about the lack of a proper leftist party... while plugging the more unambiguously right-wing candidate as the better one. Huh.

Also Trump couldn't even get 50% in 2016, and is arguably less popular now than he was then. So not sure how you see him getting a result like that.

I only go for leaders whose policies are good for their nation and good for me.


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Postby The Black Forrest » Fri Jul 24, 2020 12:41 am

Slavakino wrote:
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So you complain about the lack of a proper leftist party... while plugging the more unambiguously right-wing candidate as the better one. Huh.

Also Trump couldn't even get 50% in 2016, and is arguably less popular now than he was then. So not sure how you see him getting a result like that.

I only go for leaders whose policies are good for their nation and good for me.


Ah. So what policies would those be?
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Postby Kannap » Fri Jul 24, 2020 12:55 am

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Gormwood wrote:The pettiness unleashed might result in the White House getting burned down again since 1812.

What's he going to do? Start a nuclear war because he's mad he lost? The 25th amendment would be invoked.


The 25th amendment being invoked is an overly optimistic idea of what would happen as the result of a nuclear war
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Postby Nobel Hobos 2 » Fri Jul 24, 2020 1:06 am

Kannap wrote:
San Lumen wrote:What's he going to do? Start a nuclear war because he's mad he lost? The 25th amendment would be invoked.


The 25th amendment being invoked is an overly optimistic idea of what would happen as the result of a nuclear war


Probably. But the button might just not work. I know you say it's fail safe, but no machine is safe from VP Pence praying at it.
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Postby The Black Forrest » Fri Jul 24, 2020 1:11 am

Nobel Hobos 2 wrote:
Kannap wrote:
The 25th amendment being invoked is an overly optimistic idea of what would happen as the result of a nuclear war


Probably. But the button might just not work. I know you say it's fail safe, but no machine is safe from VP Pence praying at it.


He can pray all it wants. There is a protocol for launches. Trump loosing is not a threat to the country. He also weakened his military support when he said Mattis wasn’t a real Marine......
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Postby Slavakino » Fri Jul 24, 2020 2:02 am

The Black Forrest wrote:
Slavakino wrote:I only go for leaders whose policies are good for their nation and good for me.


Ah. So what policies would those be?

Look at my sig, gives you an idea
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Postby Vassenor » Fri Jul 24, 2020 2:21 am

Slavakino wrote:
The Black Forrest wrote:
Ah. So what policies would those be?

Look at my sig, gives you an idea


Ah, so oppression of the people you think are icky.
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Postby Slavakino » Fri Jul 24, 2020 2:35 am

Vassenor wrote:
Slavakino wrote:Look at my sig, gives you an idea


Ah, so oppression of the people you think are icky.

I sense a bullshit answer is gonna appear if I say anything
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Postby Nobel Hobos 2 » Fri Jul 24, 2020 2:41 am

Slavakino wrote:
Vassenor wrote:
Ah, so oppression of the people you think are icky.

I sense a bullshit answer is gonna appear if I say anything


Vassenor just asked what issues you want a leader to support. You said "Look at my sig"

Can't you even be polite when asked a question about your own beliefs?
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Postby Vassenor » Fri Jul 24, 2020 2:47 am

Slavakino wrote:
Vassenor wrote:
Ah, so oppression of the people you think are icky.

I sense a bullshit answer is gonna appear if I say anything


That tends to be what the anti-LGBT Rights movement tends to boil down to.
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Postby Thermodolia » Fri Jul 24, 2020 2:52 am

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Slavakino wrote:I sense a bullshit answer is gonna appear if I say anything


That tends to be what the anti-LGBT Rights movement tends to boil down to.

Well not always, I’m gonna play Devils advocate here. Sometimes they could be fine with LGBT people by themselves but aren’t ok with all the pride parades or the other “overly political” aspects of the movement.

So on occasion you can have those who are ok with LGBT people but not ok with the movement, if that makes any sense
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Postby Slavakino » Fri Jul 24, 2020 3:42 am

Vassenor wrote:
Slavakino wrote:I sense a bullshit answer is gonna appear if I say anything


That tends to be what the anti-LGBT Rights movement tends to boil down to.

Knew it
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Postby Vassenor » Fri Jul 24, 2020 3:44 am

Slavakino wrote:
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That tends to be what the anti-LGBT Rights movement tends to boil down to.

Knew it


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Postby Slavakino » Fri Jul 24, 2020 3:46 am

Nobel Hobos 2 wrote:
Slavakino wrote:I sense a bullshit answer is gonna appear if I say anything


Vassenor just asked what issues you want a leader to support. You said "Look at my sig"

Can't you even be polite when asked a question about your own beliefs?

Let's just say over the past interactions with Vass has lead to large distrust
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Postby Vassenor » Fri Jul 24, 2020 3:50 am

Slavakino wrote:
Nobel Hobos 2 wrote:
Vassenor just asked what issues you want a leader to support. You said "Look at my sig"

Can't you even be polite when asked a question about your own beliefs?

Let's just say over the past interactions with Vass has lead to large distrust


Yeah, I insisted on arguing with evidence.
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Postby Slavakino » Fri Jul 24, 2020 3:51 am

Vassenor wrote:
Slavakino wrote:Let's just say over the past interactions with Vass has lead to large distrust


Yeah, I insisted on arguing with evidence.

And as I try to counter about your evidence you deny it and try to prolonge an argument
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Postby Vassenor » Fri Jul 24, 2020 3:53 am

Slavakino wrote:
Vassenor wrote:
Yeah, I insisted on arguing with evidence.

And as I try to counter about your evidence you deny it and try to prolonge an argument


To counter evidence you need to present evidence. You never did.
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Postby Slavakino » Fri Jul 24, 2020 3:55 am

Vassenor wrote:
Slavakino wrote:And as I try to counter about your evidence you deny it and try to prolonge an argument


To counter evidence you need to present evidence. You never did.

I pretty much give up on it when it comes to you specifically
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