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Of All The Parties With 50+ Electoral Votes of Ballot Access, Which Party Do You Prefer?

Republicans
73
23%
Democrats
111
35%
Libertarians
24
8%
Greens
59
19%
Constitution Party
12
4%
Alliance Party
4
1%
Socialism and Liberation
31
10%
 
Total votes : 314

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Postby The Alma Mater » Wed Jul 22, 2020 11:40 am

The Huskar Social Union wrote:Sorry guys its me, im the vice president candidate.

Official announcement.

Me and the Bidenator 8000 are gonna take it to em


Sorry, but it is going to be Mitt Romney. He wants Romneycare reinstated.
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Postby Page » Wed Jul 22, 2020 12:41 pm

Has Biden said something incredibly stupid to ruin his lead yet?
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Postby Greater Miami Shores » Wed Jul 22, 2020 12:42 pm

Page wrote:Has Biden said something incredibly stupid to ruin his lead yet?

Biden has made a lot of Gaffes.
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Postby West Leas Oros 2 » Wed Jul 22, 2020 12:43 pm

Page wrote:Has Biden said something incredibly stupid to ruin his lead yet?

Probably something stupid enough to hurt him under normal circumstances, but not stupid enough to hurt him given the strange circumstances we are in now.
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Postby Gormwood » Wed Jul 22, 2020 1:23 pm

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You mean Toby Bruck?

And their old friend Bay Ruth.
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Postby Zurkerx » Wed Jul 22, 2020 1:24 pm

Thermodolia wrote:
Cisairse wrote:Current state of the VP race on PredictIt

(Image)

My Money is on Bass. It’s always the least one you expect


Bass has a shot, but after comparing Trump to George Wallace, she said she had "no aspirations" to run in 2024 if she were the VP by that point. That later bit could mean she probably won't get the nod, especially since Democrats would want the future Democratic VP to run to hopefully avoid a contested primary.
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Postby Shrillland » Wed Jul 22, 2020 1:25 pm

Zurkerx wrote:
Thermodolia wrote:My Money is on Bass. It’s always the least one you expect


Bass has a shot, but after comparing Trump to George Wallace, she said she had "no aspirations" to run in 2024 if she were the VP by that point. That later bit could mean she probably won't get the nod, especially since Democrats would want the future Democratic VP to run to hopefully avoid a contested primary.


That leaves Rice, Bottoms, Demings and Harris. The latter two are the more likely but carry the most baggage especially at this critical time.
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Postby Zurkerx » Wed Jul 22, 2020 1:31 pm

Shrillland wrote:
Zurkerx wrote:
Bass has a shot, but after comparing Trump to George Wallace, she said she had "no aspirations" to run in 2024 if she were the VP by that point. That later bit could mean she probably won't get the nod, especially since Democrats would want the future Democratic VP to run to hopefully avoid a contested primary.


That leaves Rice, Bottoms, Demings and Harris. The latter two are the more likely but carry the most baggage especially at this critical time.


I wouldn't count out Rice fully just yet: she certainly has the experience from being the UN Ambassador and National Security Adviser. She also has a strong friendship with Biden as well. That said, her lack of elective office and Benghazi are bound to haunt her though that's nowhere near the dirt that Harris has; Demings isn't too bad but definitely not ideal in this current political climate. Bottoms just lacks the State/Federal experience.

We know that there are 4 Black Women on Biden's VP Shortlist and likely four others though I can't confirm that latter point. This week they wrap up the vetting process and from there, Biden will be interviewing. We should be hearing something at the earliest, next week.
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Postby Kowani » Wed Jul 22, 2020 2:36 pm

Page wrote:Has Biden said something incredibly stupid to ruin his lead yet?

Biden: Trump is our first racist president.
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Postby Gormwood » Wed Jul 22, 2020 2:37 pm

Kowani wrote:
Page wrote:Has Biden said something incredibly stupid to ruin his lead yet?

Biden: Trump is our first racist president.

First modern racist President. Plenty of racists in the White House before.
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Postby Neutraligon » Wed Jul 22, 2020 2:40 pm

Gormwood wrote:

First modern racist President. Plenty of racists in the White House before.

I mean...I don't think that is true, depending on what you mean by modern. Is HW Bush modern?, Clinton?
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Postby The Huskar Social Union » Wed Jul 22, 2020 2:51 pm

Kowani wrote:
Page wrote:Has Biden said something incredibly stupid to ruin his lead yet?

Biden: Trump is our first racist president.

Biden signaled that he shared the questioner’s concern that Trump frequently refers to the pandemic as the “China virus,” saying, “the way he deals with people based on the color of their skin, their national origin, where they’re from, is absolutely sickening.”

“No sitting president has ever done this,” Biden said. “Never, never, never. No Republican president has done this. No Democratic president. We’ve had racists, and they’ve existed, they’ve tried to get elected president. He’s the first one that has.”

Though Biden calls Trump the first racist to be president, history shows the United States has had leaders in the past who either were openly racists, such as enslavers, or expressed racist views or used racist language.
Hmmmmm nah mate i think you are wrong on that one.
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Postby Gormwood » Wed Jul 22, 2020 2:52 pm

Neutraligon wrote:
Gormwood wrote:First modern racist President. Plenty of racists in the White House before.

I mean...I don't think that is true, depending on what you mean by modern. Is HW Bush modern?, Clinton?

Trump might be the first to make racism a campaign and policy feature.
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Postby Neutraligon » Wed Jul 22, 2020 2:57 pm

Gormwood wrote:
Neutraligon wrote:I mean...I don't think that is true, depending on what you mean by modern. Is HW Bush modern?, Clinton?

Trump might be the first to make racism a campaign and policy feature.

Also not true., Reagan and his war on drugs.
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Postby Vassenor » Wed Jul 22, 2020 3:05 pm

So I'm hearing rumblings about the whole "everyone dropped out and endorsed Biden therefore primary rigged" going around again.

Problem is, isn't that just an admission that Sanders' support base wasn't as wide as everyone claimed if he was dependent on a split opposition in order to succeed?
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Postby Cisairse » Wed Jul 22, 2020 3:05 pm

Shrillland wrote:
Zurkerx wrote:
Bass has a shot, but after comparing Trump to George Wallace, she said she had "no aspirations" to run in 2024 if she were the VP by that point. That later bit could mean she probably won't get the nod, especially since Democrats would want the future Democratic VP to run to hopefully avoid a contested primary.


That leaves Rice, Bottoms, Demings and Harris. The latter two are the more likely but carry the most baggage especially at this critical time.

...and Warren.
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Postby Cisairse » Wed Jul 22, 2020 3:07 pm

Vassenor wrote:So I'm hearing rumblings about the whole "everyone dropped out and endorsed Biden therefore primary rigged" going around again.

Problem is, isn't that just an admission that Sanders' support base wasn't as wide as everyone claimed if he was dependent on a split opposition in order to succeed?

Yes, but when you point this out to Bernie Bros they usually leave the conversation.
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Postby Kannap » Wed Jul 22, 2020 3:09 pm

Greater Miami Shores wrote:
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You guys just don't like any Republicans, lol :) But than again, I don't like any Democrats, lol :)


I dislike both because they're both far too conservative.
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Postby Kannap » Wed Jul 22, 2020 3:10 pm

Cisairse wrote:Current state of the VP race on PredictIt

(Image)


God, I so don't want it to be Kamala Harris, that would pretty much seal it 100% that I don't vote for Biden.
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Postby Cisairse » Wed Jul 22, 2020 3:11 pm

Kannap wrote:
Cisairse wrote:Current state of the VP race on PredictIt

(Image)


God, I so don't want it to be Kamala Harris, that would pretty much seal it 100% that I don't vote for Biden.

Same.
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Postby Kannap » Wed Jul 22, 2020 3:14 pm

San Lumen wrote:https://www.amny.com/politics/challenger-emily-gallagher-defeats-long-time-incumbent-joe-lentol-for-brooklyn-assembly-seat/

Getting a little down In the weeds but there has been a massive upset in New York. 47 year incumbent assemblymen Joe Lentol has lost his primary to Emily Gallagher. The district contains the Greenpoint neighborhood in Brooklyn. No republican filed to run in this ultra blue district


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Postby The Andromeda Island Group » Wed Jul 22, 2020 3:17 pm

San Lumen wrote:https://www.amny.com/politics/challenger-emily-gallagher-defeats-long-time-incumbent-joe-lentol-for-brooklyn-assembly-seat/

Getting a little down In the weeds but there has been a massive upset in New York. 47 year incumbent assemblymen Joe Lentol has lost his primary to Emily Gallagher. The district contains the Greenpoint neighborhood in Brooklyn. No republican filed to run in this ultra blue district

Six other members of the assembly lost their primaries.


A partisan Democrat wholly invested in the party apparatus might see this as upsetting.
Perhaps I'm something else, because I see no problem an occasional change of the guard, especially at the Primary level.
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Postby Kannap » Wed Jul 22, 2020 3:20 pm

Gormwood wrote:
Neutraligon wrote:I mean...I don't think that is true, depending on what you mean by modern. Is HW Bush modern?, Clinton?

Trump might be the first to make racism a campaign and policy feature.


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Postby Ngelmish » Wed Jul 22, 2020 3:21 pm

Cisairse wrote:
Kannap wrote:
God, I so don't want it to be Kamala Harris, that would pretty much seal it 100% that I don't vote for Biden.

Same.


I'd still be willing to vote for that ticket, but not with any sense of real enthusiasm for it. Harris would be the worst possible choice on so many levels.

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Postby Kannap » Wed Jul 22, 2020 3:22 pm

Cisairse wrote:
Kannap wrote:
God, I so don't want it to be Kamala Harris, that would pretty much seal it 100% that I don't vote for Biden.

Same.


If the election were today, I'd vote for Hawkins/Walker

honestly Biden's VP will be a big deal for me. Bass is a 100% guarantee I vote for Biden. Harris is a 100% guarantee I vote Green.

If he picks somebody else, I'll need to look into their beliefs and policies to determine if I vote for him or not.
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