2020 US General Election Thread VII: Summer of Discontent

[Vassenor]

Also the only reason why pointing out the concept of split opposition votes is "voter shaming" is because it gets in the way of people being able to say "don't blame me, I voted for Kodos" later on.

[The Alma Mater]

Also please stop voter shaming. A vote for Trump is a vote for Trump, a vote for Green is a vote for Green. Not voting is not voting. A vote for Kanye is a vote for Kanye. Anything that isn't voting for Trump, isn't voting for Trump.

The USA uses first past the post elections. Sadly, a vote for anyone but the 2 main candidates IS equivalent to giving the candidate you like least more chances at victory.
In countries with coalitions you are completely correct.

IF you really believed that anything would split Biden's vote (especially Justin Amash, you think a libertarian who was a republican would split the democratic vote???), MAYBE, the Democrats shouldnot have ran such a weak candidate in the first place. If Biden really needs progressive support in order to win, maybe they should have, I don't know, ran a progressive.

Agreed. Do not put "a senile old man"up against "a senile old man". Find someone better.

[Vassenor]

I mean I wasn't supporting Biden in the first place, but I was on the fence. Do I vote Trump? DO I vote Green Party? Do I write in Bernie?
Well the civil unrest and failure of the Democratic "Leadership" proved them to be beyond annoying. They're failures who believe a dementia-ridden senile creepy old man is the way to beat Trump. Even the ones who were supposed to be good, AOC, Ilhan Omar, proved to be nothing but Pelosi shills and weak. Voter shaming, actual collusion with foreign countries, the Bubba Wallace incident, Pointing the finger at Trump for Corona Virus instead of looking at blue state mayors and governors (and the WHO, and CDC. Fauci Lied about masks), supporting an anarchist "autonomous zone", defacing of American statues, wanting to blow up Mt. Rushmore, desecrating cities, burning buildings, looting stores, wasting political capital on nonsense, attacking of cops, and many, many other factors have brought me to the boiling point.
I will NOT be voting Biden, and I WILL be voting for Donald J. Trump and the Republicans this November. Until the Democratic Party can stop being such spineless corporation-lovers who whine about literally anything while caving to Republicans and not getting anything done, I will not be supporting the Democrats. I will not vote for their worthless politicians.

Also please stop voter shaming. A vote for Trump is a vote for Trump, a vote for Green is a vote for Green. Not voting is not voting. A vote for Kanye is a vote for Kanye. Anything that isn't voting for Trump, isn't voting for Trump. IF you really believed that anything would split Biden's vote (especially Justin Amash, you think a libertarian who was a republican would split the democratic vote???), MAYBE, the Democrats shouldnot have ran such a weak candidate in the first place. If Biden really needs progressive support in order to win, maybe they should have, I don't know, ran a progressive.

So what makes Biden weak?

[The Black Forrest]

Also please stop voter shaming. A vote for Trump is a vote for Trump, a vote for Green is a vote for Green. Not voting is not voting. A vote for Kanye is a vote for Kanye. Anything that isn't voting for Trump, isn't voting for Trump.

The USA uses first past the post elections. Sadly, a vote for anyone but the 2 main candidates IS equivalent to giving the candidate you like least more chances at victory.
In countries with coalitions you are completely correct.

IF you really believed that anything would split Biden's vote (especially Justin Amash, you think a libertarian who was a republican would split the democratic vote???), MAYBE, the Democrats shouldnot have ran such a weak candidate in the first place. If Biden really needs progressive support in order to win, maybe they should have, I don't know, ran a progressive.

Agreed. Do not put "a senile old man"up against "a senile old man". Find someone better.

Joe was the only one who ran to be the candidate?

[Major-Tom]

I mean I wasn't supporting Biden in the first place, but I was on the fence. Do I vote Trump? DO I vote Green Party? Do I write in Bernie?
Well the civil unrest and failure of the Democratic "Leadership" proved them to be beyond annoying. They're failures who believe a dementia-ridden senile creepy old man is the way to beat Trump. Even the ones who were supposed to be good, AOC, Ilhan Omar, proved to be nothing but Pelosi shills and weak. Voter shaming, actual collusion with foreign countries, the Bubba Wallace incident, Pointing the finger at Trump for Corona Virus instead of looking at blue state mayors and governors (and the WHO, and CDC. Fauci Lied about masks), supporting an anarchist "autonomous zone", defacing of American statues, wanting to blow up Mt. Rushmore, desecrating cities, burning buildings, looting stores, wasting political capital on nonsense, attacking of cops, and many, many other factors have brought me to the boiling point.
I will NOT be voting Biden, and I WILL be voting for Donald J. Trump and the Republicans this November. Until the Democratic Party can stop being such spineless corporation-lovers who whine about literally anything while caving to Republicans and not getting anything done, I will not be supporting the Democrats. I will not vote for their worthless politicians.

Also please stop voter shaming. A vote for Trump is a vote for Trump, a vote for Green is a vote for Green. Not voting is not voting. A vote for Kanye is a vote for Kanye. Anything that isn't voting for Trump, isn't voting for Trump. IF you really believed that anything would split Biden's vote (especially Justin Amash, you think a libertarian who was a republican would split the democratic vote???), MAYBE, the Democrats shouldnot have ran such a weak candidate in the first place. If Biden really needs progressive support in order to win, maybe they should have, I don't know, ran a progressive.

So what makes Biden weak?

He's never actually shown us how many push-ups he can do.

[The Black Forrest]

So what makes Biden weak?

He's never actually shown us how many push-ups he can do.

Hmmmm. Has he ever said what he can lift?

[Major-Tom]

He's never actually shown us how many push-ups he can do.

Hmmmm. Has he ever said what he can lift?

No, he hasn't. That tells me that he's categorically weak and that Trump can lift more than him.

Unless it's, y'know, a glass of water or whatever. But those are heavy.

[Vassenor]

Hmmmm. Has he ever said what he can lift?

No, he hasn't. That tells me that he's categorically weak and that Trump can lift more than him.

Unless it's, y'know, a glass of water or whatever. But those are heavy.

At least he doesn't have a pathological fear of stairs like Trump does.

[No State Here]

Apparently the Biden campaign has started fearmongering and guilt tripping third party voters saying "A vote for a third party is a vote for Trump"

Which makes zero sense

You do understand what split opposition voting is, right?

Yes, yet nothing translates to voting for Trump

[Vassenor]

You do understand what split opposition voting is, right?

Yes, yet nothing translates to voting for Trump

You don't understand how splitting the anti-Trump vote leads to a Trump victory?

[Juristonia]

Also the only reason why pointing out the concept of split opposition votes is "voter shaming" is because it gets in the way of people being able to say "don't blame me, I voted for Kodos" later on.

Which is just the flipside of the "we lost because X group voted for someone else!" coin, tbh.
Sounds like both sides have a lot in common.

[Major-Tom]

You do understand what split opposition voting is, right?

Yes, yet nothing translates to voting for Trump

Directly, no. Indirectly? Kinda. I can't tell you how much I regret going Libertarian in 2016 just because I thought "well...they're both crooks, they're both wrong!"

I think P.J O'Rourke said this, but it was to the effect of "Hillary (was) wrong, but within the normal parameters of the term." If you're in a swing state and are adamantly against Trump and his ilk, I would just say suck it up and vote Biden. I mean, really, is four years of incremental change and overall malaise going to be worse than four years of a continuing shitstorm that never abates, not even for a day?

[Kowani]

Also please stop voter shaming. A vote for Trump is a vote for Trump, a vote for Green is a vote for Green. Not voting is not voting. A vote for Kanye is a vote for Kanye. Anything that isn't voting for Trump, isn't voting for Trump.

The USA uses first past the post elections. Sadly, a vote for anyone but the 2 main candidates IS equivalent to giving the candidate you like least more chances at victory.
In countries with coalitions you are completely correct.

Well, it depends on your state. If you live in NY, or Wyoming, then your vote is only meaningful if it's for a 3rd party.

[Jerzylvania]

He's never actually shown us how many push-ups he can do.

Hmmmm. Has he ever said what he can lift?

He lifted the nomination from Bernie.. .or at least the Bernie Bros thought it was his.

[Cisairse]

Yes, yet nothing translates to voting for Trump

Directly, no. Indirectly? Kinda. I can't tell you how much I regret going Libertarian in 2016 just because I thought "well...they're both crooks, they're both wrong!"

I think P.J O'Rourke said this, but it was to the effect of "Hillary (was) wrong, but within the normal parameters of the term." If you're in a swing state and are adamantly against Trump and his ilk, I would just say suck it up and vote Biden. I mean, really, is four years of incremental change and overall malaise going to be worse than four years of a continuing shitstorm that never abates, not even for a day?

That was indeed P.J. O'Rourke, although it was made famous when Mitt Romney quoted it in an interview.

[Major-Tom]

Directly, no. Indirectly? Kinda. I can't tell you how much I regret going Libertarian in 2016 just because I thought "well...they're both crooks, they're both wrong!"

I think P.J O'Rourke said this, but it was to the effect of "Hillary (was) wrong, but within the normal parameters of the term." If you're in a swing state and are adamantly against Trump and his ilk, I would just say suck it up and vote Biden. I mean, really, is four years of incremental change and overall malaise going to be worse than four years of a continuing shitstorm that never abates, not even for a day?

That was indeed P.J. O'Rourke, although it was made famous when Mitt Romney quoted it in an interview.

Just now realizing I probably only remember that quote from reading an article about Mitt Romney ages ago.

God dammit Mitt.

[Gormwood]

Agreed. Do not put "a senile old man"up against "a senile old man". Find someone better.

Conveniently the Goldwater rule only applies to Republicans.

[Northern Davincia]

Agreed. Do not put "a senile old man"up against "a senile old man". Find someone better.

Conveniently the Goldwater rule only applies to Republicans.

The inner opinions of the people don't equate to the professional diagnosis of a psychiatrist.

[The Andromeda Island Group]

I mean I wasn't supporting Biden in the first place, but I was on the fence. Do I vote Trump? DO I vote Green Party? Do I write in Bernie?
Well the civil unrest and failure of the Democratic "Leadership" proved them to be beyond annoying. They're failures who believe a dementia-ridden senile creepy old man is the way to beat Trump. Even the ones who were supposed to be good, AOC, Ilhan Omar, proved to be nothing but Pelosi shills and weak. Voter shaming, actual collusion with foreign countries, the Bubba Wallace incident, Pointing the finger at Trump for Corona Virus instead of looking at blue state mayors and governors (and the WHO, and CDC. Fauci Lied about masks), supporting an anarchist "autonomous zone", defacing of American statues, wanting to blow up Mt. Rushmore, desecrating cities, burning buildings, looting stores, wasting political capital on nonsense, attacking of cops, and many, many other factors have brought me to the boiling point.
I will NOT be voting Biden, and I WILL be voting for Donald J. Trump and the Republicans this November. Until the Democratic Party can stop being such spineless corporation-lovers who whine about literally anything while caving to Republicans and not getting anything done, I will not be supporting the Democrats. I will not vote for their worthless politicians.

Also please stop voter shaming. A vote for Trump is a vote for Trump, a vote for Green is a vote for Green. Not voting is not voting. A vote for Kanye is a vote for Kanye. Anything that isn't voting for Trump, isn't voting for Trump. IF you really believed that anything would split Biden's vote (especially Justin Amash, you think a libertarian who was a republican would split the democratic vote???), MAYBE, the Democrats shouldnot have ran such a weak candidate in the first place. If Biden really needs progressive support in order to win, maybe they should have, I don't know, ran a progressive.

I'm Donald Trump and I approve this message.

[Kannap]

I mean I wasn't supporting Biden in the first place, but I was on the fence. Do I vote Trump? DO I vote Green Party? Do I write in Bernie?
Well the civil unrest and failure of the Democratic "Leadership" proved them to be beyond annoying. They're failures who believe a dementia-ridden senile creepy old man is the way to beat Trump. Even the ones who were supposed to be good, AOC, Ilhan Omar, proved to be nothing but Pelosi shills and weak. Voter shaming, actual collusion with foreign countries, the Bubba Wallace incident, Pointing the finger at Trump for Corona Virus instead of looking at blue state mayors and governors (and the WHO, and CDC. Fauci Lied about masks), supporting an anarchist "autonomous zone", defacing of American statues, wanting to blow up Mt. Rushmore, desecrating cities, burning buildings, looting stores, wasting political capital on nonsense, attacking of cops, and many, many other factors have brought me to the boiling point.
I will NOT be voting Biden, and I WILL be voting for Donald J. Trump and the Republicans this November. Until the Democratic Party can stop being such spineless corporation-lovers who whine about literally anything while caving to Republicans and not getting anything done, I will not be supporting the Democrats. I will not vote for their worthless politicians.

Also please stop voter shaming. A vote for Trump is a vote for Trump, a vote for Green is a vote for Green. Not voting is not voting. A vote for Kanye is a vote for Kanye. Anything that isn't voting for Trump, isn't voting for Trump. IF you really believed that anything would split Biden's vote (especially Justin Amash, you think a libertarian who was a republican would split the democratic vote???), MAYBE, the Democrats shouldnot have ran such a weak candidate in the first place. If Biden really needs progressive support in order to win, maybe they should have, I don't know, ran a progressive.

I'm Donald Trump and I approve this message.

He sounds like a conservative type who loves conspiracy theories far too much, don't entertain him.

[Roadkill Rodents]

*train wreck*

[The Andromeda Island Group]

I'm Donald Trump and I approve this message.

He sounds like a conservative type who loves conspiracy theories far too much, don't entertain him.

He said he was voting for Donald Trump. What's wrong with highlighting that?

Also, I seriously doubt that this person ever considered voting for anyone but Donald Trump. This is what Trump supporters have been reduced to. They can't point to Trump's virtues. They can't say that America is better now than it was four years ago. They can't say the Wall is built. So... they could send posters with less than a half-dozen posts to pretend that they're a disgruntled progressive to make the case against Joe Biden.

This is the sort of blatant dishonesty that should be expected from supporters of this President. All in all, New Eryon Vern, whoever he is, is just another brick in the Wall.

[No State Here]

He sounds like a conservative type who loves conspiracy theories far too much, don't entertain him.

He said he was voting for Donald Trump. What's wrong with highlighting that?

Also, I seriously doubt that this person ever considered voting for anyone but Donald Trump. This is what Trump supporters have been reduced to. They can't point to Trump's virtues. They can't say that America is better now than it was four years ago. They can't say the Wall is built. So... they could send posters with less than a half-dozen posts to pretend that they're a disgruntled progressive to make the case against Joe Biden.

This is the sort of blatant dishonesty that should be expected from supporters of this President. All in all, New Eryon Vern, whoever he is, is just another brick in the Wall.

I think you’re looking too much into a user of an Australia book advertisement website

[West Leas Oros 2]

Also please stop voter shaming. A vote for Trump is a vote for Trump, a vote for Green is a vote for Green. Not voting is not voting. A vote for Kanye is a vote for Kanye. Anything that isn't voting for Trump, isn't voting for Trump.

The USA uses first past the post elections. Sadly, a vote for anyone but the 2 main candidates IS equivalent to giving the candidate you like least more chances at victory.
In countries with coalitions you are completely correct.

IF you really believed that anything would split Biden's vote (especially Justin Amash, you think a libertarian who was a republican would split the democratic vote???), MAYBE, the Democrats shouldnot have ran such a weak candidate in the first place. If Biden really needs progressive support in order to win, maybe they should have, I don't know, ran a progressive.

Agreed. Do not put "a senile old man"up against "a senile old man". Find someone better.

And that is supposed to convince me to sell out my values for spineless "lesser of two evils" mentality? All that proves is America has a shitty way of handling elections. It just FURTHER disillusions people with FPTP and makes them less likely to support your candidate. If the system is so terrible, why would we legitimize it?

[Rojava Free State]

He sounds like a conservative type who loves conspiracy theories far too much, don't entertain him.

He said he was voting for Donald Trump. What's wrong with highlighting that?

Also, I seriously doubt that this person ever considered voting for anyone but Donald Trump. This is what Trump supporters have been reduced to. They can't point to Trump's virtues. They can't say that America is better now than it was four years ago. They can't say the Wall is built. So... they could send posters with less than a half-dozen posts to pretend that they're a disgruntled progressive to make the case against Joe Biden.

This is the sort of blatant dishonesty that should be expected from supporters of this President. All in all, New Eryon Vern, whoever he is, is just another brick in the Wall.

Trumpsters are caught between a rock and a hard place. They can either admit they helped ruin America, they can deflect or they can deny trump did anything wrong and look out of touch with reality.