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Of All The Parties With 50+ Electoral Votes of Ballot Access, Which Party Do You Prefer?

Republicans
73
23%
Democrats
111
35%
Libertarians
24
8%
Greens
59
19%
Constitution Party
12
4%
Alliance Party
4
1%
Socialism and Liberation
31
10%
 
Total votes : 314

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South Odreria 2
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Postby South Odreria 2 » Thu Jun 18, 2020 8:45 pm

The running mate will be Warren, or a woman of color.
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Postby Izandai » Thu Jun 18, 2020 8:47 pm

Northern Davincia wrote:
San Lumen wrote:Picking black woman is a very good choice politically and strategically. It could drive up black turnout to 2008 levels or possibly higher

It's a shame that tokenism has to be done so blatantly.

I'm not sure that would be tokenism. Whatever its importance as an office in its own right is, the Vice Presidency is within striking distance of the presidency.
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Postby No State Here » Thu Jun 18, 2020 8:47 pm

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South Odreria 2 wrote:Whatever happens I am going to laugh at people as the results come in.

Ey same

We either get a leftist meltdown part 2, or a Trumpster meltdown, both are equally entertaining

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Postby San Lumen » Thu Jun 18, 2020 8:48 pm

Northern Davincia wrote:
San Lumen wrote:Picking black woman is a very good choice politically and strategically. It could drive up black turnout to 2008 levels or possibly higher

It's a shame that tokenism has to be done so blatantly.

How is it tokenism?

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Postby Uiiop » Thu Jun 18, 2020 8:54 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Northern Davincia wrote:It's a shame that tokenism has to be done so blatantly.

How is it tokenism?

Her record as DA and AG sucks. Having someone's skin color used to ignore their past support of racism sounds pretty much like the definition of tokenism.
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Postby Kowani » Thu Jun 18, 2020 9:03 pm

Uiiop wrote:
San Lumen wrote:How is it tokenism?

Her record as DA and AG sucks. Having someone's skin color used to ignore their past support of racism sounds pretty much like the definition of tokenism.

Nobody mentioned Kamala. (Who I would agree would be a terrible pick.)
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Postby Cisairse » Thu Jun 18, 2020 9:06 pm

South Odreria 2 wrote:The running mate will be Warren, or a woman of color.

Glad to see that Warren has won the official Best White Woman Award
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Postby San Lumen » Thu Jun 18, 2020 9:06 pm

Uiiop wrote:
San Lumen wrote:How is it tokenism?

Her record as DA and AG sucks. Having someone's skin color used to ignore their past support of racism sounds pretty much like the definition of tokenism.

There are others he could pick such as Val Demings, Keisha Lance Bottoms, Susan Rice
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Postby Uiiop » Thu Jun 18, 2020 9:07 pm

Kowani wrote:
Uiiop wrote:Her record as DA and AG sucks. Having someone's skin color used to ignore their past support of racism sounds pretty much like the definition of tokenism.

Nobody mentioned Kamala. (Who I would agree would be a terrible pick.)

Zurkerx did in the post that there were applying to.

Nevertheless the subject was Black VPs in general and she's demonstrate of the pitfalls of where that may lead. So i think my point still stands.
San Lumen wrote:
Uiiop wrote:Her record as DA and AG sucks. Having someone's skin color used to ignore their past support of racism sounds pretty much like the definition of tokenism.

There are others he could pick such as Val Demings, Keisha Lance Bottoms, Susan Rice or Michelle Lujan Grisham


Only that last one wouldn't fit with what i was talking about but there are others yes.
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Postby Cisairse » Thu Jun 18, 2020 9:08 pm

Uiiop wrote:
San Lumen wrote:How is it tokenism?

Her record as DA and AG sucks. Having someone's skin color used to ignore their past support of racism sounds pretty much like the definition of tokenism.

I hate Kamala as much as the next prog, but that article does not say what you think it says.
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Postby Gormwood » Thu Jun 18, 2020 9:09 pm

Northern Davincia wrote:
San Lumen wrote:Picking black woman is a very good choice politically and strategically. It could drive up black turnout to 2008 levels or possibly higher

It's a shame that tokenism has to be done so blatantly.

Unless they're Republicans like Candace Owens who advertises tokenism openly.
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Postby Uiiop » Thu Jun 18, 2020 9:09 pm

Cisairse wrote:
Uiiop wrote:Her record as DA and AG sucks. Having someone's skin color used to ignore their past support of racism sounds pretty much like the definition of tokenism.

I hate Kamala as much as the next prog, but that article does not say what you think it says.

Apologizes. I thought i screwed up the link and misclicked. Fixed.
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Postby San Lumen » Thu Jun 18, 2020 9:10 pm

Gormwood wrote:
Northern Davincia wrote:It's a shame that tokenism has to be done so blatantly.

Unless they're Republicans like Candace Owens who advertises tokenism openly.

who is that?

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Postby Cisairse » Thu Jun 18, 2020 9:11 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Gormwood wrote:Unless they're Republicans like Candace Owens who advertises tokenism openly.

who is that?

You've heard of Uncle Tom, now get ready for Aunt Candace.

That's pretty much all you need to know about her actually.
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Postby Cisairse » Thu Jun 18, 2020 9:12 pm

Uiiop wrote:
Cisairse wrote:I hate Kamala as much as the next prog, but that article does not say what you think it says.

Apologizes. I thought i screwed up the link and misclicked. Fixed.

(I think you forgot a ])
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Postby Gormwood » Thu Jun 18, 2020 9:12 pm

Cisairse wrote:
San Lumen wrote:who is that?

You've heard of Uncle Tom, now get ready for Aunt Candace.

That's pretty much all you need to know about her actually.

She's going to be the new pancake syrup spokesmodel?
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Postby Uiiop » Thu Jun 18, 2020 9:13 pm

Cisairse wrote:
Uiiop wrote:Apologizes. I thought i screwed up the link and misclicked. Fixed.

(I think you forgot a ])

Damn i think i'm having a bad hour lol.
Gormwood wrote:
Cisairse wrote:You've heard of Uncle Tom, now get ready for Aunt Candace.

That's pretty much all you need to know about her actually.

She's going to be the new pancake syrup spokesmodel?

That's fucked up that just sounds plausible rn.
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Postby Cisairse » Thu Jun 18, 2020 9:13 pm

Gormwood wrote:
Cisairse wrote:You've heard of Uncle Tom, now get ready for Aunt Candace.

That's pretty much all you need to know about her actually.

She's going to be the new pancake syrup spokesmodel?

Honestly, probably.
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Postby Kowani » Thu Jun 18, 2020 9:18 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Gormwood wrote:Unless they're Republicans like Candace Owens who advertises tokenism openly.

who is that?

Candace “the only problem with Hitler is that he had plans outside of Germany” Owens.
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Postby South Odreria 2 » Thu Jun 18, 2020 9:21 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Gormwood wrote:Unless they're Republicans like Candace Owens who advertises tokenism openly.

who is that?

I envy you just a little rn
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Postby San Lumen » Thu Jun 18, 2020 9:48 pm

Gormwood wrote:
Cisairse wrote:You've heard of Uncle Tom, now get ready for Aunt Candace.

That's pretty much all you need to know about her actually.

She's going to be the new pancake syrup spokesmodel?

How about Auntie Maxine?

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Postby Myrensis » Fri Jun 19, 2020 2:01 am

Kowani wrote:
San Lumen wrote:who is that?

Candace “the only problem with Hitler is that he had plans outside of Germany” Owens.


Meh, Owens is a grifter, nothing more. She used to run a liberal 'marketing agency' where she, among other things, mocked Trumps penis size and talked about how great it would be when all the Republicans died off and we could finally get real social change in this country.

Then she figured out there was a lot more money in being Republicans token black friend.

She's savvier than Milo, but in the end she'll probably end up hawking diet pills on Infowars too.

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Postby Thermodolia » Fri Jun 19, 2020 3:36 am

Repubblica Fascista Sociale Italiana wrote:
South Odreria 2 wrote:Whatever happens I am going to laugh at people as the results come in.

Ey same

We either get a leftist meltdown part 2, or a Trumpster meltdown, both are equally entertaining

If the result is close this country is screwed.
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Postby Thermodolia » Fri Jun 19, 2020 3:48 am

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Not to mention trying to imply people are suddenly Bolton groupies because he's dishing dirt on Trump.


Oh, is that all Bolton is? So then you won't mind saying "NO" to future war with Iran loud and proud, would you Gormwood? After all, if he's just an innocent witness, and not at all doing this for his warmongering ideas that he wants to enact in the future, you'd have no issues saying that War with Iran would be catastrophic, and warmongering's very wrong. So c'mon Gormwood, say it, loud and proud: "warmongering without a purpose is wrong!" After all, it's part of what Obama ran on in 2008, and part of what Trump ran on in 2016. When Bolton can't win at the ballot box, he tries to cast actual winners as mobsters, for which Gormwood and others hail him as a poor, poor, mob prosecution witness.

War with Iran and China are bad yes. Biden knows this. You’re acting like because of this Biden will make Bolton SECDEF or something and go bomb Iran.

He’s not gonna do that. Bolton is a slimy fuck but that doesn’t mean that he can’t give you credible intel on another slimy fuck that hired him.

Don’t forget that Trump hired the bastard, Trump isn’t some innocent guy in all this mess.


And no I’ve seen quite a lot of people who are upset at Trump over this yet are still mad at Bolton. You can do both.

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So is that what Sean Spicer's saying? Yes, yes, we get it, "Orange Man Bad" but you know what's really, really, really, actually, bad? Iraq War. That's very bad. Killed over one hundred thousand innocent Iraqi civilians, women and children, sent thousands of Americans home with PTSD, stole money that could've gone to education reform, what a rotten, rotten, rotten war. Hmm, I wonder who the architect was? Oh yeah, John Bolton.

Yes war is bad. I’m well aware, more than you, of the effects of war.

That still doesn’t mean we discount what Bolton is saying but investigate it and make sure it’s true. Because if it is turning a blind eye to genocide and openly supporting said genocide are worse than the iraq war.
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Postby Zurkerx » Fri Jun 19, 2020 5:18 am

San Lumen wrote:
Zurkerx wrote:
She went on to say Biden should pick a woman of color, which appears almost a 100% guarantee; only Warren has a shot at this point.

I'm a bit surprised though the writing was on the wall for her: if her past wasn't that troubling and she had broad appeal, she would have been selected easily. Now, 15 years ago, she would have been easily picked but times have changed.



I agree but at this point, given what's been transpiring with Trump, I'll be voting for Biden, regardless of who he picks.

Picking black woman is a very good choice politically and strategically. It could drive up black turnout to 2008 levels or possibly higher


But it has to be the right black woman: I know said last night I would be voting for Biden regardless, but Abrams (who isn't getting it anyway) and Harris (who honestly keep forgetting due to how terrible she is) might be enough for me to say no to Biden. I won't vote for Biden just because he picked a black VP: she needs to be qualified.

Uiiop wrote:
Kowani wrote:Nobody mentioned Kamala. (Who I would agree would be a terrible pick.)

Zurkerx did in the post that there were applying to.

Nevertheless the subject was Black VPs in general and she's demonstrate of the pitfalls of where that may lead. So i think my point still stands.
San Lumen wrote:There are others he could pick such as Val Demings, Keisha Lance Bottoms, Susan Rice or Michelle Lujan Grisham


Only that last one wouldn't fit with what i was talking about but there are others yes.


I honestly keep forgetting about Harris: trying to block out such a terrible candidate has been my go-to. That will probably be enough for me to say no to Biden. After all, I come from NJ and we all know what the outcome will be there. However, almost anyone else (except Abrams too) I be willing to support as VP; my personal favorite is still Duckworth.
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