2020 US General Election Thread VII: Summer of Discontent

[Cisairse]

Y'know, I wonder if people who get COVID from people who get COVID from Trump's rally will be able to sue them.

Like, they didn't sign a waiver.

There also is not a right to be free of illness

Right to life is the first right listed in Thomas Jefferson's blog post about human rights.

Kind of weird that the anti-lockdown protests help spread the virus, the BLM riots don't, but Trump rallies do. I'm seeing a pattern here.

Pretty sure exactly 0 people have said that BLM protest don't spread the virus, but nice strawman.

[Bear Stearns]

Kind of weird that the anti-lockdown protests help spread the virus, the BLM riots don't, but Trump rallies do. I'm seeing a pattern here.

I find it very hypocritical at this point. Why should anybody listen to their executives orders when they pick and chose what types of protests and gatherings they will allow?

The partisan nature to what kind of mass gatherings of people are okay (as if a virus belongs to a political party) should probably indicate that shutting down the entire country fro two months was both bullshit and unnecessary.

[San Lumen]

There also is not a right to be free of illness

Right to life is the first right listed in Thomas Jefferson's blog post about human rights.

Kind of weird that the anti-lockdown protests help spread the virus, the BLM riots don't, but Trump rallies do. I'm seeing a pattern here.

Pretty sure exactly 0 people have said that BLM protest don't spread the virus, but nice strawman.

That doenst mean you have a right to be completely free of illness.

[Cisairse]

I find it very hypocritical at this point. Why should anybody listen to their executives orders when they pick and chose what types of protests and gatherings they will allow?

The partisan nature to what kind of mass gatherings of people are okay (as if a virus belongs to a political party) should probably indicate that shutting down the entire country fro two months was both bullshit and unnecessary.

It absolutely was not. States that enacted the most stringent restrictions earliest have seen substantially lower per-capita-per-mile deaths than states which reopened too early.

In fact, some states are now seeing record-breaking case counts and deaths because they listened to the reopen crowd too much.

[Cisairse]

Right to life is the first right listed in Thomas Jefferson's blog post about human rights.



Pretty sure exactly 0 people have said that BLM protest don't spread the virus, but nice strawman.

That doenst mean you have a right to be completely free of illness.

You do, generally, have a right not to be killed, though. Wrongful death is a crime in many jurisdictions, and is worthy of a lawsuit in all of those.

[Bear Stearns]

Kind of weird that the anti-lockdown protests help spread the virus, the BLM riots don't, but Trump rallies do. I'm seeing a pattern here.

Pretty sure exactly 0 people have said that BLM protest don't spread the virus, but nice strawman.

Umm...
https://www.seattletimes.com/seattle-news/health/after-months-of-pleading-for-coronavirus-social-distancing-health-officials-supportive-of-protests-black-lives-matter-calls-them-too-dangerous/
https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2020/06/04/public-health-protests-301534
https://www.cnn.com/2020/06/05/health/health-care-open-letter-protests-coronavirus-trnd/index.html
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/powerpost/paloma/the-health-202/2020/06/08/the-health-202-americans-were-told-to-stay-at-home-now-some-experts-say-anti-racism-protests-are-okay/5ed93c0488e0fa32f8232992/
https://slate.com/technology/2020/06/protests-coronavirus-pandemic-public-health-racism.html

Literally all of these articles are saying "health experts decide that mass gatherings are okay as long as they support a certain ideology". Even liberals have noticed this and are asking themselves what the fuck

[Bear Stearns]

The partisan nature to what kind of mass gatherings of people are okay (as if a virus belongs to a political party) should probably indicate that shutting down the entire country fro two months was both bullshit and unnecessary.

It absolutely was not. States that enacted the most stringent restrictions earliest have seen substantially lower per-capita-per-mile deaths than states which reopened too early.

In fact, some states are now seeing record-breaking case counts and deaths because they listened to the reopen crowd too much.

You mean like New York?

[Cisairse]

Pretty sure exactly 0 people have said that BLM protest don't spread the virus, but nice strawman.

Umm...
https://www.seattletimes.com/seattle-news/health/after-months-of-pleading-for-coronavirus-social-distancing-health-officials-supportive-of-protests-black-lives-matter-calls-them-too-dangerous/
https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2020/06/04/public-health-protests-301534
https://www.cnn.com/2020/06/05/health/health-care-open-letter-protests-coronavirus-trnd/index.html
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/powerpost/paloma/the-health-202/2020/06/08/the-health-202-americans-were-told-to-stay-at-home-now-some-experts-say-anti-racism-protests-are-okay/5ed93c0488e0fa32f8232992/
https://slate.com/technology/2020/06/protests-coronavirus-pandemic-public-health-racism.html

Literally all of these articles are saying "health experts decide that mass gatherings are okay as long as they support a certain ideology". Even liberals have noticed this and are asking themselves what the fuck

A mass gathering being "okay" does not mean that the protests don't spread the virus. Did you really need me to explain this to you?

[San Lumen]

Pretty sure exactly 0 people have said that BLM protest don't spread the virus, but nice strawman.

Umm...
https://www.seattletimes.com/seattle-news/health/after-months-of-pleading-for-coronavirus-social-distancing-health-officials-supportive-of-protests-black-lives-matter-calls-them-too-dangerous/
https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2020/06/04/public-health-protests-301534
https://www.cnn.com/2020/06/05/health/health-care-open-letter-protests-coronavirus-trnd/index.html
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/powerpost/paloma/the-health-202/2020/06/08/the-health-202-americans-were-told-to-stay-at-home-now-some-experts-say-anti-racism-protests-are-okay/5ed93c0488e0fa32f8232992/
https://slate.com/technology/2020/06/protests-coronavirus-pandemic-public-health-racism.html

Literally all of these articles are saying "health experts decide that mass gatherings are okay as long as they support a certain ideology". Even liberals have noticed this and are asking themselves what the fuck

Its extremely hypocritical and quite frankly any executive or health official that says that loses their authority to tell anyone what to do.

[Bear Stearns]

Umm...
https://www.seattletimes.com/seattle-news/health/after-months-of-pleading-for-coronavirus-social-distancing-health-officials-supportive-of-protests-black-lives-matter-calls-them-too-dangerous/
https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2020/06/04/public-health-protests-301534
https://www.cnn.com/2020/06/05/health/health-care-open-letter-protests-coronavirus-trnd/index.html
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/powerpost/paloma/the-health-202/2020/06/08/the-health-202-americans-were-told-to-stay-at-home-now-some-experts-say-anti-racism-protests-are-okay/5ed93c0488e0fa32f8232992/
https://slate.com/technology/2020/06/protests-coronavirus-pandemic-public-health-racism.html

Literally all of these articles are saying "health experts decide that mass gatherings are okay as long as they support a certain ideology". Even liberals have noticed this and are asking themselves what the fuck

A mass gathering being "okay" does not mean that the protests don't spread the virus. Did you really need me to explain this to you?

What makes a BLM riot more "okay" than a Trump rally as far as the virus is concerned. I'd love to hear this.

[Bear Stearns]

Umm...
https://www.seattletimes.com/seattle-news/health/after-months-of-pleading-for-coronavirus-social-distancing-health-officials-supportive-of-protests-black-lives-matter-calls-them-too-dangerous/
https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2020/06/04/public-health-protests-301534
https://www.cnn.com/2020/06/05/health/health-care-open-letter-protests-coronavirus-trnd/index.html
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/powerpost/paloma/the-health-202/2020/06/08/the-health-202-americans-were-told-to-stay-at-home-now-some-experts-say-anti-racism-protests-are-okay/5ed93c0488e0fa32f8232992/
https://slate.com/technology/2020/06/protests-coronavirus-pandemic-public-health-racism.html

Literally all of these articles are saying "health experts decide that mass gatherings are okay as long as they support a certain ideology". Even liberals have noticed this and are asking themselves what the fuck

Its extremely hypocritical and quite frankly any executive or health official that says that loses their authority to tell anyone what to do.

I agree.

[Cisairse]

It absolutely was not. States that enacted the most stringent restrictions earliest have seen substantially lower per-capita-per-mile deaths than states which reopened too early.

In fact, some states are now seeing record-breaking case counts and deaths because they listened to the reopen crowd too much.

You mean like New York?

Florida, South Carolina, and Texas, actually.

[Cisairse]

A mass gathering being "okay" does not mean that the protests don't spread the virus. Did you really need me to explain this to you?

What makes a BLM riot more "okay" than a Trump rally as far as the virus is concerned. I'd love to hear this.

Do you try to add at least one strawman to every post? Like, do you do this on purpose? I never said Trump holding a rally wasn't okay.

[Thermodolia]

I doubt it, considering Trump remains president in this scenario.

How does Trump remain president when three faithless electors defect and give the presidency to Biden?

They are assuming that said faithless electors would pick someone other than Biden like Sanders thus sending the election of the president to the house where Trump would end up being president

[San Lumen]

Its extremely hypocritical and quite frankly any executive or health official that says that loses their authority to tell anyone what to do.

I agree.

Governor Cooper in North Carolina whose running for reelection gets it. He said the state would press on with reopening as shutting down again would cause more harm that the virus itself. The state is facing a massive budget shortfall and will have to start cutting essential services if things don't get back on track soon.

[Valrifell]

Kind of weird that the anti-lockdown protests help spread the virus, the BLM riots don't, but Trump rallies do. I'm seeing a pattern here.

BLM protesters at least have the courtesy to wear masks when protesting.

[Valrifell]

I agree.

Governor Cooper in North Carolina whose running for reelection gets it. He said the state would press on with reopening as shutting down again would cause more harm that the virus itself. The state is facing a massive budget shortfall and will have to start cutting essential services if things don't get back on track soon.

I hope for their sake that either there isn't a second wave or if there is and it gets bad again they reneg on such a stupid ultimatum.

Lockdowns aren't strictly necessary by any means so long as testing is maintained. But since so many are quick to return to a status quo antebellum I can see us falling into the exact same quagmire four months from now.

[Thermodolia]

https://www.newsmax.com/politics/arkans ... id/972113/

If states that Trump carried by double digits have their polls narrow to single-digit margins or even within the MOE, then the Republicans will have to start soending resources more broadly. Thinning out their warchest and letting the Democrats run a more concentrated campaign.

Then again maybe it won't matter due to the outrageous size of warchests these days.

Trump is already dumping money into GA, AZ, and TX. Just imagine if he has to expand that to other more traditional red states while attempting to flip/maintain the states he won

[San Lumen]

Governor Cooper in North Carolina whose running for reelection gets it. He said the state would press on with reopening as shutting down again would cause more harm that the virus itself. The state is facing a massive budget shortfall and will have to start cutting essential services if things don't get back on track soon.

I hope for their sake that either there isn't a second wave or if their is and it gets bad again they reneg on such a stupid ultimatum.

and the state will go bankrupt, essential services will be cut and municipalities like Raleigh and Charlotte will see their economies running. Cooper loses his job in November

[Dresderstan]

Kind of weird that the anti-lockdown protests help spread the virus, the BLM riots don't, but Trump rallies do. I'm seeing a pattern here.

BLM protesters at least have the courtesy to wear masks when protesting.

But not stand at least 5 feet apart from each other.

[Valrifell]

I hope for their sake that either there isn't a second wave or if their is and it gets bad again they reneg on such a stupid ultimatum.

and the state will go bankrupt, essential services will be cut and municipalities like Raleigh and Charlotte will see their economies running. Cooper loses his job in November

The alternative being thousands of people die of sickness, people are too afraid to shop, the economy crashes, the state goes bankrupt.

Though like I said I don't want that decision to have to be made. But taking it off the table so quickly is premature and overly idealistic.

[San Lumen]

BLM protesters at least have the courtesy to wear masks when protesting.

But not stand at least 5 feet apart from each other.

As long as you protest its ok but anything else social distancing must be maintained. Such a double standard.

[Cisairse]

I hope for their sake that either there isn't a second wave or if their is and it gets bad again they reneg on such a stupid ultimatum.

and the state will go bankrupt, essential services will be cut and municipalities like Raleigh and Charlotte will see their economies running. Cooper loses his job in November

Then we can make progress.

[San Lumen]

and the state will go bankrupt, essential services will be cut and municipalities like Raleigh and Charlotte will see their economies running. Cooper loses his job in November

The alternative being thousands of people die of sickness, people are too afraid to shop, the economy crashes, the state goes bankrupt.

And what should he do? close the state again, destroy the economy and lose his job?

[Thermodolia]

Ya know maybe we should look into what NZ did because they are COVID-19 free