2020 US General Election Thread VII: Summer of Discontent

[San Lumen]

Trump can still win after losing Pennsylvania and Michigan, two states he has a good chance of losing. Ohio is pretty much a red state by this point, and I can’t see Florida going blue again, purely out of anecdote. Arizona, Texas, and Georgia, while turning blue, are not going to flip this election.

So this entire election may come down to Wisconsin

Georgia actually has a pretty high chance of turning blue this year.

North Carolina and Arizona as well

[Repubblica Fascista Sociale Italiana]

It would be 270 (R) to 268 (D) if he won after losing those two states, oof that would be close.

If either candidate gets just 270 you know -- you just know -- there will be at least 1 faithless elector who wants his name etched into history books.

And we will see political upheaval on scales not seen since Lincoln’s initial election

[The Huskar Social Union]

Boy that would be hilarious

No it wouldn’t. The unrest and protests that would likely ensue would be beyond anything imaginable

And i was being serious

[Cisairse]

"Trump wins with 270 EC votes"
"Well now im not doing it, 1 vote for Bernie Sanders!"

In that case, it would likely be 28-22 for Trump to win in the House...and a possible Democratic VP.

Yeaaaaaaaaaaaah boiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii

We're finally falling back to my plan to Repeal 12

Trump/Biden 2020

[Cisairse]

If either candidate gets just 270 you know -- you just know -- there will be at least 1 faithless elector who wants his name etched into history books.

And we will see political upheaval on scales not seen since Lincoln’s initial election

Good, maybe then we could see real change.

[Nakena]

In that case, it would likely be 28-22 for Trump to win in the House...and a possible Democratic VP.

Boy that would be hilarious

That has to happen.

[San Lumen]

And we will see political upheaval on scales not seen since Lincoln’s initial election

Good, maybe then we could see real change.

Are you serious? Recent protests would like nothing

[Repubblica Fascista Sociale Italiana]

And we will see political upheaval on scales not seen since Lincoln’s initial election

Good, maybe then we could see real change.

The political upheaval would likely be pro-Trump, considering they would believe his election was stolen

[Zurkerx]

Republican Voters Against Trump Ad: Lindsey Graham Loves Joe Biden.

This ad will reportedly run on Fox as well.

[Cisairse]

Good, maybe then we could see real change.

The political upheaval would likely be pro-Trump, considering they would believe his election was stolen

I doubt it, considering Trump remains president in this scenario.

Good, maybe then we could see real change.

Are you serious? Recent protests would like nothing

Yes, hence "maybe then we could see real change."

[United States of Devonta]

Republican Voters Against Trump Ad: Lindsey Graham Loves Joe Biden.

This ad will reportedly run on Fox as well.

Now Lindsey's head smells like Trumps anus.

[Thermodolia]

Biden has limited his shortlist to four women. Harris, Rice, Demmings, and KLB are all on it. Apparently Warren and NM Gov Grisham are still in contention.

I hope that Biden doesn’t fuck up his momentum by choosing Harris as his VP. Rice, Demmings, and KLB are all far better candidates than her

[Cisairse]

Biden has limited his shortlist to four women. Harris, Rice, Demmings, and KLB are all on it. Apparently Warren and NM Gov Grisham are still in contention.

I hope that Biden doesn’t fuck up his momentum by choosing Harris as his VP. Rice, Demmings, and KLB are all far better candidates than her

This seems inconsistent with the AP leak from the other day. I wonder which one is wrong.

[Thermodolia]

Biden has limited his shortlist to four women. Harris, Rice, Demmings, and KLB are all on it. Apparently Warren and NM Gov Grisham are still in contention.

I hope that Biden doesn’t fuck up his momentum by choosing Harris as his VP. Rice, Demmings, and KLB are all far better candidates than her

This seems inconsistent with the AP leak from the other day. I wonder which one is wrong.

This is from BI and was released just 4 hours ago

https://www.businessinsider.com/biden-n ... ace-2020-6

[Zurkerx]

Biden has limited his shortlist to four women. Harris, Rice, Demmings, and KLB are all on it. Apparently Warren and NM Gov Grisham are still in contention.

I hope that Biden doesn’t fuck up his momentum by choosing Harris as his VP. Rice, Demmings, and KLB are all far better candidates than her

This seems inconsistent with the AP leak from the other day. I wonder which one is wrong.

The NYT has a more comprehensive breakdown on it:

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/06/13/us/p ... ident.html

Here's AP's for comparison:

https://apnews.com/cfb9f51767aeee83f1f426fb42070a9e

Biden has limited his shortlist to four women. Harris, Rice, Demmings, and KLB are all on it. Apparently Warren and NM Gov Grisham are still in contention.

I hope that Biden doesn’t fuck up his momentum by choosing Harris as his VP. Rice, Demmings, and KLB are all far better candidates than her

Those three are better than Harris or Abrams. Not to mention, picking Harris would be kind of tone deaf, especially with her AG record. Demings yeah has a background in law enforcement but I would vote for a Biden-Demings ticket: I won't vote for a Biden-Harris/Abrams Ticket.

[Cisairse]

This seems inconsistent with the AP leak from the other day. I wonder which one is wrong.

This is from BI and was released just 4 hours ago

https://www.businessinsider.com/biden-n ... ace-2020-6

Hmm...so they source the WaPo piece that includes the same list as the AP leak.

So I think "Biden has limited his shortlist to four women" is not correct, although the article is worded in a way that's a bit misleading. Biden's shortlist is the 6 people that AP said it was, and BI/WaPo are saying that four of those six are black.

So the shortlist is (according to WaPo, which BI cites):

• Senator Kamala Harris
• Representative Val Demings
• Former National Security Adviser Susan E. Rice
• Mayor Keisha Lance Bottoms
• Senator Elizabeth Warren
• Governor Michelle Lujan Grisham

[Repubblica Fascista Sociale Italiana]

The political upheaval would likely be pro-Trump, considering they would believe his election was stolen

I doubt it, considering Trump remains president in this scenario.

How does Trump remain president when three faithless electors defect and give the presidency to Biden?

[Major-Tom]

This is from BI and was released just 4 hours ago

https://www.businessinsider.com/biden-n ... ace-2020-6

Hmm...so they source the WaPo piece that includes the same list as the AP leak.

So I think "Biden has limited his shortlist to four women" is not correct, although the article is worded in a way that's a bit misleading. Biden's shortlist is the 6 people that AP said it was, and BI/WaPo are saying that four of those six are black.

So the shortlist is (according to WaPo, which BI cites):

• Senator Kamala Harris
• Representative Val Demings
• Former National Security Adviser Susan E. Rice
• Mayor Keisha Lance Bottoms
• Senator Elizabeth Warren
• Governor Michelle Lujan Grisham

Susan Rice would be the worst pick of the bunch. I know people here want to chastise Harris, and perhaps rightfully so in some facets, but god dammit she's a mile better than Rice. Not just because of her tenure, but also in the way the GOP will be able to effectively drag her for months on end.

Quite like Grisham, though. Her handling of COVID and (admittedly brief) tenure as Governor really is an asset.

[Zurkerx]

This is from BI and was released just 4 hours ago

https://www.businessinsider.com/biden-n ... ace-2020-6

Hmm...so they source the WaPo piece that includes the same list as the AP leak.

So I think "Biden has limited his shortlist to four women" is not correct, although the article is worded in a way that's a bit misleading. Biden's shortlist is the 6 people that AP said it was, and BI/WaPo are saying that four of those six are black.

So the shortlist is (according to WaPo, which BI cites):

• Senator Kamala Harris
• Representative Val Demings
• Former National Security Adviser Susan E. Rice
• Mayor Keisha Lance Bottoms
• Senator Elizabeth Warren
• Governor Michelle Lujan Grisham

Correct but we should be remember that these articles also have stated that the selection remains somewhat fluid: new candidates (Duckworth and Baldwin) will likely be considered and looked at. That said, assuming we're going off this list, I think it's safe to eliminate Grisham and Rice in my view: I just don't see him picking a Governor and Rice would be more of distraction regarding Benghazi/the so-called Trump Spygate thing despite the fact there's not evidence of wrongdoing.

[Cisairse]

I doubt it, considering Trump remains president in this scenario.

How does Trump remain president when three faithless electors defect and give the presidency to Biden?

That's not what I was envisioning. I was imaging something closer to 2016, where electors cast votes for random other people, except this time the election is so close that this results in the House selecting Trump.

[Repubblica Fascista Sociale Italiana]

How does Trump remain president when three faithless electors defect and give the presidency to Biden?

That's not what I was envisioning. I was imaging something closer to 2016, where electors cast votes for random other people, except this time the election is so close that this results in the House selecting Trump.

Oh, I was talking about if Trump loses Pennsylvania and Michigan, winning by two electoral votes. Three faithless electors happen to defect and give Biden the presidency, and political upheaval on the scale of Lincoln’s initial election happens

[Cisairse]

Wapo published an opinion piece that argues that Biden shouldn't consider anyone except Harris, Demings, or Lance Bottoms, due to this being "the post-George Floyd time."

I, personally, feel that it would be very silly to treat the Vice President position as the "police brutality czar."

[Cisairse]

That's not what I was envisioning. I was imaging something closer to 2016, where electors cast votes for random other people, except this time the election is so close that this results in the House selecting Trump.

Oh, I was talking about if Trump loses Pennsylvania and Michigan, winning by two electoral votes. Three faithless electors happen to defect and give Biden the presidency, and political upheaval on the scale of Lincoln’s initial election happens

Ah, I see, we were quite out of sync. I was imagining either a tie (such as if Biden somehow flips MI, PA, and AZ but no other states) or more realistically if the election permutates to giving Biden a 273-267 win or closer, where several Biden electors would vote for third parties just to seek fame.

For example if Biden wins MI, PA, and WI but no other states, he wins 270-268. If I were a Biden elector, I would absolutely seize that moment.

[Repubblica Fascista Sociale Italiana]

Wapo published an opinion piece that argues that Biden shouldn't consider anyone except Harris, Demings, or Lance Bottoms, due to this being "the post-George Floyd time."

I, personally, feel that it would be very silly to treat the Vice President position as the "police brutality czar."

Like I said earlier, just because George Floyd is on everyone’s minds at the moments doesn’t mean the same for November, to quote another poster

With the way 2020's going, I expect an October surprise of Godzilla rises from the Oceans magnitude. We'll see.

[Repubblica Fascista Sociale Italiana]

Oh, I was talking about if Trump loses Pennsylvania and Michigan, winning by two electoral votes. Three faithless electors happen to defect and give Biden the presidency, and political upheaval on the scale of Lincoln’s initial election happens

Ah, I see, we were quite out of sync. I was imagining either a tie (such as if Biden somehow flips MI, PA, and AZ but no other states) or more realistically if the election permutates to giving Biden a 273-267 win or closer, where several Biden electors would vote for third parties just to seek fame.

For example if Biden wins MI, PA, and WI but no other states, he wins 270-268. If I were a Biden elector, I would absolutely seize that moment.

I wonder how the inevitable political upheaval would look differently if Trump’s presidency was "stolen" versus if Biden’s presidency was "stolen" by faithless electors