by Brunswick-upon-Raritan » Fri Jun 05, 2020 7:50 pm
by Shazbotdom » Fri Jun 05, 2020 7:57 pm
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by Farnhamia » Fri Jun 05, 2020 9:13 pm
Shazbotdom wrote:The issue is that, to have nationwide Free Internet For All, it would have to be operated by the Federal Government. For anyone who lives in the US, they know that 99% of what the Federal Government touches is shit. I have a friend who has to deal with the VA on a regular basis and he's always complaining about how it's crap. The roads are crap. And it can go on and on and on.
by Nobel Hobos 2 » Sat Jun 06, 2020 12:21 am
by Chan Island » Sat Jun 06, 2020 12:26 am
Conserative Morality wrote:"It's not time yet" is a tactic used by reactionaries in every era. "It's not time for democracy, it's not time for capitalism, it's not time for emancipation." Of course it's not time. It's never time, not on its own. You make it time. If you're under fire in the no-man's land of WW1, you start digging a foxhole even if the ideal time would be when you *aren't* being bombarded, because once you wait for it to be 'time', other situations will need your attention, assuming you survive that long. If the fields aren't furrowed, plow them. If the iron is not hot, make it so. If society is not ready, change it.
by Nobel Hobos 2 » Sat Jun 06, 2020 1:09 am
by Purpelia » Sat Jun 06, 2020 1:50 am
by Nobel Hobos 2 » Sat Jun 06, 2020 2:48 am
Purpelia wrote:I don't really see how the two are connected. You can have something be unregulated and uncensored without it also being available to everyone for free.
by Nobel Hobos 2 » Sat Jun 06, 2020 2:50 am
by Merni » Sat Jun 06, 2020 2:52 am
by Greater vakolicci haven » Sat Jun 06, 2020 2:55 am
by Servilis » Sat Jun 06, 2020 7:38 am
by Asle Leopolka » Sat Jun 06, 2020 8:13 am
by Purpelia » Sat Jun 06, 2020 8:41 am
Nobel Hobos 2 wrote:Purpelia wrote:I don't really see how the two are connected. You can have something be unregulated and uncensored without it also being available to everyone for free.
It seems to be based on the idea that ISP's could succumb to commercial interest (since they're for-profit), and providers of content might pay them to give users a superior connection to that provider. This would take some of their bandwidth away from users trying to connect to basically anything else.
The free internet then is basically "nationalize the bastard ISP's so they can never do that" and does seem (even to me) a bit like overkill.
There are other arguments for Internet For All though. I feel this argument adds to them.
(Net neutrality IS regulation btw, free market without regulation will lead to a segregated internet of for-profit services that work great, and every free-and-for-free-speech use of the internet working quite badly)
by Serrus » Sat Jun 06, 2020 9:29 am
Greater vakolicci haven wrote:Obviously not.
The internet isn't some sort of human right, you're not going to die without it, and we don't even make things that you could die without free.
Eastern Raarothorgren wrote:News websites are good and reasonable soruces of information or they would not be on the internet if they were saying things that were incorrect.
Keshiland wrote:I am yes arguing that the 1st 4 are not binding to the states and yes I know that in most Republican states they would ban the freedom of religion and the freedom of essembally but I don't live there and I hate guns!
by Stellar Colonies » Sat Jun 06, 2020 7:15 pm
Greater vakolicci haven wrote:Obviously not.
The internet isn't some sort of human right, you're not going to die without it, and we don't even make things that you could die without free.
Floofybit wrote:Your desired society should be one where you are submissive and controlled
Primitive Communism wrote:What bodily autonomy do men need?
Techocracy101010 wrote:If she goes on a rampage those saggy wonders are as deadly as nunchucks
Parmistan wrote:It's not ALWAYS acceptable when we do it, but it's MORE acceptable when we do it.
Theodorable wrote:Jihad will win.
Distruzio wrote:All marriage outside the Church is gay marriage.
Khardsland wrote:Terrorism in its original definition is a good thing.
I try to be objective, but I do have some biases.
North Californian.
Stellar Colonies is a loose galactic confederacy.
The Confederacy & the WA.
Add 1200 years.
by Cisairse » Sat Jun 06, 2020 7:18 pm
by King of the Incels » Sat Jun 06, 2020 7:38 pm
by Shazbotdom » Sat Jun 06, 2020 8:42 pm
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CosmoCast || SISA || CCD || CrawDaddy || SCIA || COPEC || Boudreaux's || CLS || SNC || ShazAir || BHC || TWO
NHL: NYR (*) 55-23-4 (114) | COL (x) 49-25-7 (105) | CHI (e) 23-52-5 (51) | VGK (x) 44-28-8 (96)
NBA: Pelicans (6) 49-33 || NCAA MBB: Tulane 20-16 | LSU 22-15 || NCAA WSB: LSU 33-8
by Antityranicals » Tue Jun 09, 2020 6:04 pm
by Shanghai industrial complex » Tue Jun 09, 2020 8:21 pm
by Shazbotdom » Tue Jun 09, 2020 9:01 pm
Shanghai industrial complex wrote:The network should be part of the infrastructure.The most important thing for human beings is matter, energy and information.The Internet should be as essential as roads, electricity and food.There is no doubt that everything in the future will be connected to the Internet. The cost of Internet should not be an obstacle to technological progress.I think the government should pay.
ShazWeb || IIWiki || Discord: shazbertbot || 1 x NFL Picks League Champion (2021)
CosmoCast || SISA || CCD || CrawDaddy || SCIA || COPEC || Boudreaux's || CLS || SNC || ShazAir || BHC || TWO
NHL: NYR (*) 55-23-4 (114) | COL (x) 49-25-7 (105) | CHI (e) 23-52-5 (51) | VGK (x) 44-28-8 (96)
NBA: Pelicans (6) 49-33 || NCAA MBB: Tulane 20-16 | LSU 22-15 || NCAA WSB: LSU 33-8
by Shanghai industrial complex » Tue Jun 09, 2020 9:11 pm
Shazbotdom wrote:Shanghai industrial complex wrote:The network should be part of the infrastructure.The most important thing for human beings is matter, energy and information.The Internet should be as essential as roads, electricity and food.There is no doubt that everything in the future will be connected to the Internet. The cost of Internet should not be an obstacle to technological progress.I think the government should pay.
Except that the Internet isn't "essential". You don't need it to live. If you can't afford an Internet connection, then you can always go to a library, they are free.
by Nobel Hobos 2 » Tue Jun 09, 2020 9:29 pm
Shazbotdom wrote:Shanghai industrial complex wrote:The network should be part of the infrastructure.The most important thing for human beings is matter, energy and information.The Internet should be as essential as roads, electricity and food.There is no doubt that everything in the future will be connected to the Internet. The cost of Internet should not be an obstacle to technological progress.I think the government should pay.
Except that the Internet isn't "essential". You don't need it to live. If you can't afford an Internet connection, then you can always go to a library, they are free.
by Nobel Hobos 2 » Tue Jun 09, 2020 9:46 pm
Shanghai industrial complex wrote:The network should be part of the infrastructure.The most important thing for human beings is matter, energy and information.
The Internet should be as essential as roads, electricity and food.There is no doubt that everything in the future will be connected to the Internet. The cost of Internet should not be an obstacle to technological progress.I think the government should pay.
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