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Malcolm X is the homie. MLK was alright but I like Malcolm's idea of direct action.

I don't agree with racial separatism, but I will admit that sometimes more forceful, direct action is necessary. I support MLK's vision and think nonviolence should always be pursued if possible. But I think really it was both MLK and Malcolm X that made the civil rights movement a success. A message of peace and unity with a hardened shell of direct resistance. A dynamic duo, if you will.

Malcolm X renounced a good portion of his initial views after his famous Hajj to Mecca, thereafter his message became much closer to MLK's. For which he was murdered.

So I follow both, because they are not popular opposites.

Malcolm. Don't be bamboozled.

Malcolm X before Mecca.

Wayne Brady

Malcolm X.

Rojava Free State wrote:Malcolm X is the homie. MLK was alright but I like Malcolm's idea of direct action.

Malcolm X renounced most of his ideas after visiting the ME and realizing that most of his ideas and actions would only really work in America.

And then he got murdered when he started sharing views with MLK, so...

Both honestly.
The "I have a dream" MLK that is propped up now is used as a tactic to silence anger and fighting back, he wasn't a beloved figure by any sense to white people and the government when he was a alive no matter how much his legacy is rewritten today.
1963 MLK was not late 60's MLK, he realized how much he was played by the establishment and began to push for more direct action and less turn the other cheek which is would led to his murder and is swept under the rug today. He is one of the bravest people in the history of the struggle for justice.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q9_lgTXSRno

As for Malcolm, he's my idol. Coming from the streets and turning his life around is something I strongly identify with on a personal level. He influenced the majority of my political stances and my conversion to Islam. Through all eras of his political philosophy, even his NOI days ( i'm white so you'd think that era would leave a bad taste in my mouth but nope), he was far ahead of most political figures, even his mentors.
So imo there's no need to choose, that's a product of years of misinformation about both and if anyone would like any suggestions on reading for both i'm happy to point you in the right direction

Baphomet Union wrote:Do you like Martin Luther King Jr or Malcolm X ? Both men had astonishing ideas to deal with discrimination. But the question remains: If you had to follow one of them would it be aMartin Luther King or Malcolm X ? Who would you follow?
I would admire a nation began on the philosophy of Malcolm X. I totally agree with him. If a certain person was seeking my life, I would be irresponsible not to. Harm them. I disagree with Martin Luther King.

Now I may be a lazy alpaca, but it might be nice if you have a small summary of these folks' ideologies.

I don't know shit about Malcom X. Is he part of the X-men?

Esternial wrote:

Baphomet Union wrote:Do you like Martin Luther King Jr or Malcolm X ? Both men had astonishing ideas to deal with discrimination. But the question remains: If you had to follow one of them would it be aMartin Luther King or Malcolm X ? Who would you follow?
I would admire a nation began on the philosophy of Malcolm X. I totally agree with him. If a certain person was seeking my life, I would be irresponsible not to. Harm them. I disagree with Martin Luther King.

Now I may be a lazy alpaca, but it might be nice if you have a small summary of these folks' ideologies.

I don't know shit about Malcom X. Is he part of the X-men?

No but his ideas actually inspired Magneto.

Malcolm X was a black civil rights activist and separationist who believed that black and white Americans (Or black and white people (Or as he liked to refer to them as, "White Devils") in general) couldn't live in peace together and wanted to form nation solely populated by black people located in the south/former Confederacy territory, hopefully under to theocratic rule of Islam. He gave up most of these beliefs though after going on the Hajj to Mecca and realizing that he had a super Amero-centric view when he was able to go to multiracial areas and experienced almost no discrimination, which lead him to agree more with MLK's views on peaceful protest and civil uprisings, leading him to get murdered by The Nation of Islam (A political party he reinvigorated).

New haven america wrote:

Esternial wrote:Now I may be a lazy alpaca, but it might be nice if you have a small summary of these folks' ideologies.

I don't know shit about Malcom X. Is he part of the X-men?

No but his ideas actually inspired Magneto.

Malcolm X was a black civil rights activist and separationist who believed that black and white Americans (Or black and white people (Or as he liked to refer to them as, "White Devils") in general) couldn't live in peace together and wanted to form nation solely populated by black people located in the south/former Confederacy territory, hopefully under to theocratic rule of Islam. He gave up most of these beliefs though after going on the Hajj to Mecca and realizing that he had a super Amero-centric view when he was able to go to multiracial areas and experienced almost no discrimination, which lead him to agree more with MLK's views on peaceful protest and civil uprisings, leading him to get murdered by The Nation of Islam (The political party he founded).

Malcolm X did not found the Nation of Islam.

The founder: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wallace_Fard_Muhammad

The Reformed American Republic wrote:

New haven america wrote:No but his ideas actually inspired Magneto.

Malcolm X was a black civil rights activist and separationist who believed that black and white Americans (Or black and white people (Or as he liked to refer to them as, "White Devils") in general) couldn't live in peace together and wanted to form nation solely populated by black people located in the south/former Confederacy territory, hopefully under to theocratic rule of Islam. He gave up most of these beliefs though after going on the Hajj to Mecca and realizing that he had a super Amero-centric view when he was able to go to multiracial areas and experienced almost no discrimination, which lead him to agree more with MLK's views on peaceful protest and civil uprisings, leading him to get murdered by The Nation of Islam (The political party he founded).

Malcolm X did not found the Nation of Islam.

The founder: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wallace_Fard_Muhammad

Should've specified, The NOI under Wallace and the NOI under Malcolm are almost 2 completely different things due to sheer number and political sway.

New haven america wrote:

The Reformed American Republic wrote:Malcolm X did not found the Nation of Islam.

The founder: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wallace_Fard_Muhammad

Should've specified, The NOI under Wallace and the NOI under Malcolm are almost 2 completely different things due to sheer number and political sway.

Malcolm X though influential was never the leader of the NOI. When Malcolm was influential Elijah Muhammad was the leader of the organization. They had a bad falling out, leading to Malcolm's death.

Martin Luther Malcolm X Jr

The Reformed American Republic wrote:

New haven america wrote:Should've specified, The NOI under Wallace and the NOI under Malcolm are almost 2 completely different things due to sheer number and political sway.

Malcolm X though influential was never the leader of the NOI. When Malcolm was influential Elijah Muhammad was the leader of the organization. They had a bad falling out, leading to Malcolm's death.

Yes, I'm aware.

But while he was apart of it he was basically the defacto voice and figurehead of the party.

New haven america wrote:

The Reformed American Republic wrote:Malcolm X though influential was never the leader of the NOI. When Malcolm was influential Elijah Muhammad was the leader of the organization. They had a bad falling out, leading to Malcolm's death.

Yes, I'm aware.

But while he was apart of it he was basically the defacto voice and figurehead of the party.

Not the leader though. There were people above him and they have censured him when they thought he stepped out of line. He was not the leader nor a de facto leader. It is also not a political party, but a religious cult.

New haven america wrote:

Esternial wrote:Now I may be a lazy alpaca, but it might be nice if you have a small summary of these folks' ideologies.

I don't know shit about Malcom X. Is he part of the X-men?

No but his ideas actually inspired Magneto.

Malcolm X was a black civil rights activist and separationist who believed that black and white Americans (Or black and white people (Or as he liked to refer to them as, "White Devils") in general) couldn't live in peace together and wanted to form nation solely populated by black people located in the south/former Confederacy territory, hopefully under to theocratic rule of Islam. He gave up most of these beliefs though after going on the Hajj to Mecca and realizing that he had a super Amero-centric view when he was able to go to multiracial areas and experienced almost no discrimination, which lead him to agree more with MLK's views on peaceful protest and civil uprisings, leading him to get murdered by The Nation of Islam (The political party he founded).

People - especially quite a few in this thread, including OP - seem to forget that he was a racist douche before his Hajj. Sure he had some finer points but it's hard to ignore what was basically an alternative form of segregation.

Trollzyn the Infinite wrote:

New haven america wrote:No but his ideas actually inspired Magneto.

Malcolm X was a black civil rights activist and separationist who believed that black and white Americans (Or black and white people (Or as he liked to refer to them as, "White Devils") in general) couldn't live in peace together and wanted to form nation solely populated by black people located in the south/former Confederacy territory, hopefully under to theocratic rule of Islam. He gave up most of these beliefs though after going on the Hajj to Mecca and realizing that he had a super Amero-centric view when he was able to go to multiracial areas and experienced almost no discrimination, which lead him to agree more with MLK's views on peaceful protest and civil uprisings, leading him to get murdered by The Nation of Islam (The political party he founded).

People - especially quite a few in this thread, including OP - seem to forget that he was a racist douche before his Hajj. Sure he had some finer points but it's hard to ignore what was basically an alternative form of segregation.

One time in HS I had some friends who were working on an art project that was going to be hung up as a mural in the halls, and their specific mural was of Malcolm giving a speech, and at one point they were having a conversation questioning why people still follow MLK's ideas and not Malcolm's because his are so much better and make much more sense.

Keep in mind they were 4 rich pasty white kids in Western Oregon who I'm guessing only read 1 paragraph about him on Wikipedia.

The Reformed American Republic wrote:

New haven america wrote:Yes, I'm aware.

But while he was apart of it he was basically the defacto voice and figurehead of the party.

Not the leader though. There were people above him and they have censured him when they thought he stepped out of line. He was not the leader nor a de facto leader. It is also not a political party, but a religious cult.

They're a hate group that uses Islam as a ploy.

Definitely MLK because of his idea of peaceful protest

Dr. King, I am a man of peace.

didnt Malcolm X by the end come around to MLK Jr's ideology of peaceful protests before getting murdered by one of his followers? I think MLK wins here. Civil disobedience ftw.

MLK. Malcolm X was on the path to redemption when he was murdered, but still spent most of his public life pushing for racial separatism.

Is this before or after Malcolm X realized he was wrong?