US Anti-Police Protests and Riots Thread II

[The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp]

Austin police shoot at protesters as they carry a wounded student who had been shot in the head with rubber bullets.

The victim now is in critical condition.

I hope he recovers. This is just pure madness from the cops. They should be fired

[Cisairse]

Austin police shoot at protesters as they carry a wounded student who had been shot in the head with rubber bullets.

The victim now is in critical condition.

I hope he recovers. This is just pure madness from the cops. They should be fired

They should be jailed.

[The Greater Ohio Valley]

One of the few times I agree with AOC.

Closer and closer to the American Civil war....

I dunno, the 60s were probably more worse and violent than this and we didn’t descend into civil war then.

[Greed and Death]

This is good news, but at the same time it just adds to the feeling that the right hand doesn't know what the left is doing:

Manhattan DA will not prosecute many arrested protesters, joining others declining to press charges

The Manhattan district attorney said Friday that his office would not prosecute those arrested on charges of unlawful assembly or disorderly conduct amid protests against excessive police force and the death of George Floyd.

“The prosecution of protesters charged with these low-level offenses undermines critical bonds between law enforcement and the communities we serve,” District Attorney Cyrus Vance Jr. said in a statement, joining a growing group of officials declining to move forward with charges for many demonstrators.

Previously, Vance said, the DA’s office offered people the chance to get those kinds of charges dismissed within six months.

The Brooklyn DA’s office also told Forbes it has been declining to prosecute charges of disorderly conduct or unlawful assembly arising from the demonstrations. San Francisco District Attorney Chesa Boudin — a progressive elected on vows to combat mass incarceration and police misconduct — tweeted Thursday, “We will not prosecute peaceful protest.”

In Dallas, police said they would not pursue charges against hundreds of protesters arrested Monday, the Dallas Morning News reported. Chief Reneé Hall continued to defend the arrests — denounced by many as escalating a peaceful gathering — as necessary to protect people on an open road.

The announcement in Manhattan came a day after a New York judge said he would not free protesters who have waited for more than a day in jail. New York’s Legal Aid Society had filed a lawsuit against the New York Police Department on behalf of more than 100 protesters who were detained beyond the state’s standard for release.

New York County Supreme Court Justice James M. Burke called the situation a “crisis within a crisis,” attributing the delay to the increased volume of arrests as well as the need to conduct arraignments virtually because of the coronavirus outbreak.

Catch and release is fairly common for protests if no proof of other crimes show up. Generally not worth the time prosecuting the cases.

[The Greater Ohio Valley]

Austin police shoot at protesters as they carry a wounded student who had been shot in the head with rubber bullets.

The victim now is in critical condition.

Why aren’t a lot of these police forces fucking learning anything? Do they enjoy looking like pieces of shit?

[Esternial]

Well then please, link said data if you're so confident in the conclusions.

Could you link those? I'm having trouble tracking them down based on the authors you linked.

The 2.5x figure comes from Beer (2020) and Lowery (2016) and it controls for population %. This method of testing is misleading however because it makes the assumption that people of all racial groups have the same likelihood of running into the police - which is false. To quote from Cesario et al. (2018):

"However, using population as a benchmark makes the strong assumption that White and Black civilians have equal exposure to situations that result in FOIS. If there are racial differences in exposure to these situations, calculations of racial disparity based on population benchmarks will be misleading.
In essence, benchmarking approaches test whether members from certain racial groups are shot more than we would expect relative to some benchmark. The issue is that conclusions regarding racial disparities depend more on the benchmark used (population or violent crime) than the data (the number of people fatally shot). "

Cesario et al. (2018)
Response to criticism #1
Response to Criticism #2

One paper found that police were more likely to shoot Caucasian and Hispanic suspects as opposed to blacks
James, Villa and Daratha (2013) (i misspelled this when citing earlier, sorry)

Another found it took officers longer to shoot at a black suspect than a white or Hispanic suspect, and that 14% of non-aggressing whites were shot compared to 1% of blacks..
James, James and Villa (2016)

Finally, Correll et al. (2014) concludes no racial bias among the police.
Correll et al. (2014)

I'm in the middle of the Cesario et al. paper. One thing that did pop up in my head is "are black people more likely to run into or be confronted by police?".

If you look at the likelihood of getting shot using the benchmark of violent crime, I can agree that there isn't a statistically significant difference. Whatever your race, getting involved in violent crime gives you an equal chance of getting shot. Fine, but isn't this moving the focus to a very specific subset? We care about a racial bias w/ police, which extends far beyond fatal shootings vs. the entire population or violent crimes.

I don't see how any meaningful conclusion can be drawn about a racial bias w/ police from a study that doesn't even appear to be investigating this.

[Estanglia]

Austin police shoot at protesters as they carry a wounded student who had been shot in the head with rubber bullets.

The victim now is in critical condition.

I don't know what fucking mindset you have to be in to think shooting people carrying somebody injured is a good idea.

Fuck those cops, they deserve jail.

[Cisairse]

This is good news, but at the same time it just adds to the feeling that the right hand doesn't know what the left is doing:

Manhattan DA will not prosecute many arrested protesters, joining others declining to press charges

The Manhattan district attorney said Friday that his office would not prosecute those arrested on charges of unlawful assembly or disorderly conduct amid protests against excessive police force and the death of George Floyd.

“The prosecution of protesters charged with these low-level offenses undermines critical bonds between law enforcement and the communities we serve,” District Attorney Cyrus Vance Jr. said in a statement, joining a growing group of officials declining to move forward with charges for many demonstrators.

Previously, Vance said, the DA’s office offered people the chance to get those kinds of charges dismissed within six months.

The Brooklyn DA’s office also told Forbes it has been declining to prosecute charges of disorderly conduct or unlawful assembly arising from the demonstrations. San Francisco District Attorney Chesa Boudin — a progressive elected on vows to combat mass incarceration and police misconduct — tweeted Thursday, “We will not prosecute peaceful protest.”

In Dallas, police said they would not pursue charges against hundreds of protesters arrested Monday, the Dallas Morning News reported. Chief Reneé Hall continued to defend the arrests — denounced by many as escalating a peaceful gathering — as necessary to protect people on an open road.

The announcement in Manhattan came a day after a New York judge said he would not free protesters who have waited for more than a day in jail. New York’s Legal Aid Society had filed a lawsuit against the New York Police Department on behalf of more than 100 protesters who were detained beyond the state’s standard for release.

New York County Supreme Court Justice James M. Burke called the situation a “crisis within a crisis,” attributing the delay to the increased volume of arrests as well as the need to conduct arraignments virtually because of the coronavirus outbreak.

Catch and release is fairly common for protests if no proof of other crimes show up. Generally not worth the time prosecuting the cases.

Catch-and-hold-forever is a new one, though.

[Esternial]

One paper found that police were more likely to shoot Caucasian and Hispanic suspects as opposed to blacks
James, Villa and Daratha (2013) (i misspelled this when citing earlier, sorry)

This paper cites several sources supporting a racial bias against black people and makes some notes about possible causes - one for instances being that in some places/cities, black people are shot more often because they engage in shooting more often compared to other races. This then raises the question on a relation between race and social class, which then raises the topic of how black people do not get the same opportunities.

Indeed, this is a complicated issue to investigate, and looking at only one facet can make you draw conclusions that do not fit into the bigger picture. To mention just one shortcoming, this study did not at all address events leading up to the use of deadly force and hence have no bearing on any assessment of a potential overall racial bias with the police force.

All cited studies seem to be focused on the act of shooting, but this is solely one part of the larger question asked. The question "Is there a racial bias with the police force?" itself is also one part of an even larger question: "Is there a racial bias against black people".

Bias has roots throughout society. You can't isolate one part of it, observe it in isolation and make a conclusions of the rest. Making such an extreme abstraction is fraudulent and dishonest. These roots, every branching of it, involves numerous variables that compound and are in turn compounded by other variables that immensely complicates any sort of scientific study. Upon that you add the possibility of your data being skewed by the very phenomenon you are trying to observe. It's a nightmare to investigate and I'm glad I was only ever involved in controlled lab experiments.

My couple of cents.

[Loben The 2nd]

Austin police shoot at protesters as they carry a wounded student who had been shot in the head with rubber bullets.

The victim now is in critical condition.

Austin?

blue as fuckin blueberry austin?

Forgive me if im detecting some sort of pattern here

[Greed and Death]

Catch and release is fairly common for protests if no proof of other crimes show up. Generally not worth the time prosecuting the cases.

Catch-and-hold-forever is a new one, though.

Not forever just until the riots end.

[Cisairse]

Catch-and-hold-forever is a new one, though.

Not forever just until the riots end.

You hope.

[Australian rePublic]

Just because you think that protests are justified, doesn't mean that the virus won't spread. Also, who made you the arbiter of which protests are and aren't justified? In the anti-lockdown protestors' minds, their protests were justified

a pandemic does not remove the right to free assembly

And by that logic, people have the right to protest against lockdown

[Washington Resistance Army]

Catch-and-hold-forever is a new one, though.

Not forever just until the riots end.

Which could go on for an indeterminate amount of time.

[Genivaria]

Austin police shoot at protesters as they carry a wounded student who had been shot in the head with rubber bullets.

The victim now is in critical condition.

I hope he recovers. This is just pure madness from the cops. They should be fired

Upon?

[Greed and Death]

Not forever just until the riots end.

Which could go on for an indeterminate amount of time.

I am sure their families can take it up with the rioters.

[Andsed]

I hope he recovers. This is just pure madness from the cops. They should be fired

Upon?

Uhhh no? I am just as angry as you guys but that seems excessive to say the least.

[Cisairse]

a pandemic does not remove the right to free assembly

And by that logic, people have the right to protest against lockdown

Yes, people have the right to do that.

[Genivaria]

Which could go on for an indeterminate amount of time.

I am sure their families can take it up with the rioters.

Oh the rioters are keeping their family hostage then?

[Genivaria]

Upon?

Uhhh no? I am just as angry as you guys but that seems excessive to say the least.

For now maybe.

[Washington Resistance Army]

a pandemic does not remove the right to free assembly

And by that logic, people have the right to protest against lockdown

They do, it's just fucking dumb.

[Thermodolia]

Considering that Native Lives Matter and Black Lives Matter are a thing, have we considered a merger perhaps? Maybe "Minority Lives Matter" or MLM?

NLM is a bit too broad considering that you have white guys who are counted as native and not white guys as well

[San Lumen]

a pandemic does not remove the right to free assembly

And by that logic, people have the right to protest against lockdown

I agree completely. The right to protest means all protest not just ones you agree with

[South Odreria 2]

Considering that Native Lives Matter and Black Lives Matter are a thing, have we considered a merger perhaps? Maybe "Minority Lives Matter" or MLM?

NLM is a bit too broad considering that you have white guys who are counted as native and not white guys as well

No lives matter?

[United States of Devonta]

Protesters in Manhattan gather to honor a protester who was killed by police on Wednesday when he choked to death on tear gas

Many protesters are locked up in the detention center they are protesting in front of.