US Anti-Police Protests and Riots Thread II

[Nobel Hobos 2]

Not all the protests and protestors are violent. But the movement has shown what it stands for, despite what it claims, with actions over the past 3 months. And its ugly.

literally any protest anywhere will involve rioting if it reaches a particular size.

I don't like that excuse. As long as protesters heavily outnumber rioters, they should be able to do something about it.

If we're to go by some of the defenders of Kyle Rittenhouse, protesters should be within their rights to shoot rioters in the back. It's defense of (another's) property apparently. In the real world, that's just asking for a murder charge, and if any of them are reading this thread too I'll say again: don't do that. Not only would you be killing someone, but you'll fuck your own life right up.

I was thinking more, obstruct the rioters from leaving, and open a passage for police to come arrest them. And if police decline to arrest a criminal because "ooh, I might get hurt" just put it on social media. It should be pretty plain then that police and rioters are on the same side. If police won't do anything about rioters, when protesters make it as safe as possible for them to do so, then police will be seen tolerating the crimes which discredit the people protesting against them. Rioters are damaging the cause and they know it, protesters should show them no mercy.

[Paddy O Fernature]

Not all the protests and protestors are violent. But the movement has shown what it stands for, despite what it claims, with actions over the past 3 months. And its ugly.

literally any protest anywhere will involve rioting if it reaches a particular size.

Hmmm....

[Genivaria]

All the destruction that's being done by people who self identify as BLM only reinforces my belief that BLM as an organization should've done far more to organize a hierarchy so they can self-police.

[Galloism]

It's an effective tactic. Makes one almost wish the left was as willing to be so shamelessly immoral and just gaslight its way yo victory like that.

Let's not pretend that the Left don't engage in gaslighting of their own on occasion.

I find the narrative that a hispanic boy who shot three white men that were attacking him is a white supremacist quite interesting though.

[Fahran]

All the destruction that's being done by people who self identify as BLM only reinforces my belief that BLM as an organization should've done far more to organize a hierarchy so they can self-police.

It would be helpful if pundits and supporters stopped making apologias for rioting and looting and if everyone tried to be a bit more discerning when discussing the distinction between legal, peaceful protests and riots or unlawful assemblies.

[The Black Forrest]

All the destruction that's being done by people who self identify as BLM only reinforces my belief that BLM as an organization should've done far more to organize a hierarchy so they can self-police.

Self identification is easy. I know a few people who will tell you they are a part of Qanon.

There are people at the BLM protests who have actually tackled and dragged troublemakers to the police. It doesn’t get much air time due to not fitting the narrative.

[Outer Acharet]

It's an effective tactic. Makes one almost wish the left was as willing to be so shamelessly immoral and just gaslight its way yo victory like that.

Let's not pretend that the Leftall politicians from left-wing to right-wing to Hasselhoff-wing don't engage in gaslighting of their own on occasion.

FTFY

[Fahran]

I find the narrative that a hispanic boy who shot three white men that were attacking him is a white supremacist quite interesting though.

A lot of people have been gaslighting the kid, at least based on what we know. No, he shouldn't have been there. Yes, he, and everyone else, should have obeyed the curfew. That said, the evidence at the moment suggests self-defense with no premeditation. So people really need to stop referring to him as a "right-wing terrorist" or insinuating that he should have accepted serious bodily harm from people who had no business looting or assaulting people.

[Fahran]

FTFY

Liri already mentioned right-wingers and the conspicuously Not Left. I was simply providing a bit more balance. Notice how I didn't actually object to his remark about gaslighting? I simply objected to the notion that the Left doesn't gaslight people. They probably do it about as often as the Right.

[Galloism]

I find the narrative that a hispanic boy who shot three white men that were attacking him is a white supremacist quite interesting though.

A lot of people have been gaslighting the kid, at least based on what we know. No, he shouldn't have been there. Yes, he, and everyone else, should have obeyed the curfew. That said, the evidence at the moment suggests self-defense with no premeditation. So people really need to stop referring to him as a "right-wing terrorist" or insinuating that he should have accepted serious bodily harm from people who had no business looting or assaulting people.

Pretty much.

[Kubra]

literally any protest anywhere will involve rioting if it reaches a particular size.

I don't like that excuse. As long as protesters heavily outnumber rioters, they should be able to do something about it.

If we're to go by some of the defenders of Kyle Rittenhouse, protesters should be within their rights to shoot rioters in the back. It's defense of (another's) property apparently. In the real world, that's just asking for a murder charge, and if any of them are reading this thread too I'll say again: don't do that. Not only would you be killing someone, but you'll fuck your own life right up.

I was thinking more, obstruct the rioters from leaving, and open a passage for police to come arrest them. And if police decline to arrest a criminal because "ooh, I might get hurt" just put it on social media. It should be pretty plain then that police and rioters are on the same side. If police won't do anything about rioters, when protesters make it as safe as possible for them to do so, then police will be seen tolerating the crimes which discredit the people protesting against them. Rioters are damaging the cause and they know it, protesters should show them no mercy.

It doesn't matter if you "like" it. I don't like that I drink water only to piss it away, I should be able to drink less and poop out all excess moisture, but there ain't really much I can do about it.
Could be worse, when the albanians protested over pyramid schemes the gubmint made all the countries weapons depots open access. That was fun.

literally any protest anywhere will involve rioting if it reaches a particular size.

Hmmm....

Flash in the pan, buddy. 22,000 is chump change compared to what's being drawn in here.

[Fahran]

There are people at the BLM protests who have actually tackled and dragged troublemakers to the police. It doesn’t get much air time due to not fitting the narrative.

It seems to happen pretty often. When suspected Antifa folks tried to set fire to the police union building in Portland, a woman, who ostensibly supports BLM, went off on them, at least according to that article I posted awhile back. There are plenty of people at demonstrations who do not support rioting and looting. But, yeah, they should definitely get more air time. They're much more sympathetic.

[Liriena]

It's an effective tactic. Makes one almost wish the left was as willing to be so shamelessly immoral and just gaslight its way yo victory like that.

Let's not pretend that the Left don't engage in gaslighting of their own on occasion.

"on occasion" is doing a lot of leg work

[Liriena]

There are people at the BLM protests who have actually tackled and dragged troublemakers to the police. It doesn’t get much air time due to not fitting the narrative.

It seems to happen pretty often. When suspected Antifa folks tried to set fire to the police union building in Portland, a woman, who ostensibly supports BLM, went off on them, at least according to that article I posted awhile back. There are plenty of people at demonstrations who do not support rioting and looting. But, yeah, they should definitely get more air time. They're much more sympathetic.

And that tells you precisely why they don't get more air time

[Galloism]

Let's not pretend that the Left don't engage in gaslighting of their own on occasion.

"on occasion" is doing a lot of leg work

No shit. The gaslighting has been a constant feature for decades. "On occasion" my ass.

[Fahran]

"on occasion" is doing a lot of leg work

As I said, it probably occurs as often as with any other broad ideological grouping. The most ubiquitous form it takes is constructing arguments to the effect that "If you don't uncritically support this policy or x political group, you don't care about issue y or interest group z. And that makes you a bad person."

No shit. The gaslighting has been a constant feature for decades. "On occasion" my ass.

I don't think everyone does it. Hence the "on occasion" bit. I was trying to be charitable.

[Fahran]

And that tells you precisely why they don't get more air time

I don't think it's just that. It's not as though CNN and MSNBC haven't attempted to be charitable towards demonstrators. It's just that they often don't stop to interview people who oppose rioting because they're busy covering events. And rioters cause enough damage to cities that "mostly peaceful protest" as a description doesn't match a lot of the visuals we get even if it's not necessarily a lie. The other issue, however, is that there's pretty vehement opposition to police dispersals of riots and unlawful assemblies from some quarters, extending to an equation of them with peaceful protests.

[Galloism]

No shit. The gaslighting has been a constant feature for decades. "On occasion" my ass.

I don't think everyone does it. Hence the "on occasion" bit. I was trying to be charitable.

That's fair.

[Bear Stearns]

This is how white people feel when we see a group of five gents with saggy pants walking through our neighborhood.

The white conservative fixation on saggy pants never ceases to amaze me.

Until you've experienced it, it's truly something else.

[Bear Stearns]

Check the web archive...

I keep forgetting those exist...

It is strange that it disappeared so recently, judging by when it was archived. Could it perhaps be some sort of error?

I doubt it was a coincidence...

[Greed and Death]

Check the web archive...

I keep forgetting those exist...

It is strange that it disappeared so recently, judging by when it was archived. Could it perhaps be some sort of error?

He is dead no need to keep him up.

Looking at the data he was 18. It might be less he was a predator but had a 15 year old gf when he was 18.

[Kubra]

I keep forgetting those exist...

It is strange that it disappeared so recently, judging by when it was archived. Could it perhaps be some sort of error?

He is dead no need to keep him up.

Looking at the data he was 18. It might be less he was a predator but had a 15 year old gf when he was 18.

He got 10 years for it. Maybe Arizona is particularly draconian with this sort of thing, but a conventional assumption is it was probably younger. He also had a bit of disciplinary record.
Still, and this bears repeating, that's not really enough to justify being gunned down in the street.

[Kowani]

Let's not pretend that the Left don't engage in gaslighting of their own on occasion.

I find the narrative that a hispanic boy who shot three white men that were attacking him is a white supremacist quite interesting though.

You ever heard of Nick Fuentes?

[Galloism]

I find the narrative that a hispanic boy who shot three white men that were attacking him is a white supremacist quite interesting though.

You ever heard of Nick Fuentes?

No.

[Kowani]

You ever heard of Nick Fuentes?

No.

Not quite an impartial source, but.