US Anti-Police Protests and Riots Thread II

[Slaughter None]

Again a ridiculous claim of "silence is support" you don't see the right saying that if you don't support the Police you hate them. Maybe people are tired of this sort of bullshit and just want to live their lives peacefully.

[Slaughter None]

"Protesters" intimidating people leaving the RNC:-
https://youtu.be/25P4GNi0oWM

I'm not sure why you put it in quotation marks, seeing as they didn't commit any acts of violence.

You can literally see them pushing the police officers, if they weren't there then things would have gone down.

[Pilipinas and Malaya]

question, is the wisconsin-Illinois state line militarized?

if not, he lives mere minutes away from Kenosha considering it is in the greater chicagoland area so what is the matter with him traveling to kenosha?

And I thought the Left was for open borders. Hmm. *thinking emoji*

And I thought Loben was more on the right side of the spectrum.

If the border was militarised, perhaps it's a pandemic thing as well.

[Trollgaard]

"Protesters" intimidating people leaving the RNC:-
https://youtu.be/25P4GNi0oWM

Bunch of assholes. They think its ok to harass people in their homes, in restaurants, on the streets.

[Kowani]

Again a ridiculous claim of "silence is support" you don't see the right saying that if you don't support the Police you hate them. Maybe people are tired of this sort of bullshit and just want to live their lives peacefully.

“All that is required for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing."

I'm not sure why you put it in quotation marks, seeing as they didn't commit any acts of violence.

You can literally see them pushing the Police, if they weren't there then things would have gone down.

...Or, you know, it was a large crowd in a public area.

[Slaughter None]

Again a ridiculous claim of "silence is support" you don't see the right saying that if you don't support the Police you hate them. Maybe people are tired of this sort of bullshit and just want to live their lives peacefully.

“All that is required for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing."

You can literally see them pushing the Police, if they weren't there then things would have gone down.

...Or, you know, it was a large crowd in a public area.

No, nobody should be forced to support a movement (especially such a violent movement) or risk losing their livelihood and/or be called a racist and if your best defence is a quote, nothing more can be said.

[Nobel Hobos 2]

“All that is required for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing."



...Or, you know, it was a large crowd in a public area.

No, nobody should be forced to support a movement (especially such a violent movement) or risk losing their livelihood and/or be called a racist and if your best defence is a quote, nothing more can be said.

Who lost their livelihood for staying silent?

[Kowani]

“All that is required for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing."



...Or, you know, it was a large crowd in a public area.

No, nobody should be forced to support a movement (especially such a violent movement) or risk losing their livelihood and/or be called a racist and if your best defence is a quote, nothing more can be said.

I never said anyone should suffer anything? I am making the case that those who have the time and resources to support a movement for change but do not do so are morally culpable for helping to uphold the status quo.

[Glorious Hong Kong]

And I thought the Left was for open borders. Hmm. *thinking emoji*

And I thought Loben was more on the right side of the spectrum.

If the border was militarised, perhaps it's a pandemic thing as well.

I was agreeing with him. And the pandemic aspect could be relevant too. If America was an Asian country, interstate travel would've been banned months ago. But that's for another thread.

[Slaughter None]

No, nobody should be forced to support a movement (especially such a violent movement) or risk losing their livelihood and/or be called a racist and if your best defence is a quote, nothing more can be said.

Who lost their livelihood for staying silent?

Oh, they have studies(and common sense) have shown that "protesters" target institutions that have "blue lives matter" and also stores that don't have blm or supporting blm flags, banners etc.

[Trollgaard]

No, nobody should be forced to support a movement (especially such a violent movement) or risk losing their livelihood and/or be called a racist and if your best defence is a quote, nothing more can be said.

I never said anyone should suffer anything? I am making the case that those who have the time and resources to support a movement for change but do not do so are morally culpable for helping to uphold the status quo.

People don't want to support an anti-American communist group.

[Glorious Hong Kong]

Again a ridiculous claim of "silence is support" you don't see the right saying that if you don't support the Police you hate them. Maybe people are tired of this sort of bullshit and just want to live their lives peacefully.

“All that is required for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing."

That's why Kyle and other armed individuals were in Kenosha that day. To do something. But this kind of social activism is white supremacist terrorism when white dudes with guns from out of state do it. And Kyle is Jewish.

[Kowani]

I never said anyone should suffer anything? I am making the case that those who have the time and resources to support a movement for change but do not do so are morally culpable for helping to uphold the status quo.

People don't want to support an anti-American communist group.

Well, that's odd.

[Trollgaard]

Who lost their livelihood for staying silent?

Oh, they have studies(and common sense) have shown that "protesters" target institutions that have "blue lives matter" and also stores that don't have blm or supporting blm flags, banners etc.

Not anymore. Businesses in Kenosha, and at least one church were torched by the 'peaceful protestors' despite having BLM signs. A group that goes around burning churches now...and intimidates people in their homes, in restaurants, and wherever they find them...what a really respectable movement.

[Nobel Hobos 2]

Who lost their livelihood for staying silent?

Oh, they have studies(and common sense) have shown that "protesters" target institutions that have "blue lives matter" and also stores that don't have blm or supporting blm flags, banners etc.

Protesters are doing no harm to their livelihoods. Rioters might.

Studies you say. I'm sure they're great evidence, particularly since you need to bolster them with your "common sense".

[Kowani]

“All that is required for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing."

That's why Kyle and other armed individuals were in Kenosha that day. To do something. But this kind of social activism is white supremacist terrorism when white dudes with guns from out of state do it. And Kyle is Jewish.

Just once, could you argue without beating on misshapen lumps of hay?

[Nobel Hobos 2]

Oh, they have studies(and common sense) have shown that "protesters" target institutions that have "blue lives matter" and also stores that don't have blm or supporting blm flags, banners etc.

Not anymore. Businesses in Kenosha, and at least one church were torched by the 'peaceful protestors'

Again with deliberately using the wrong word. Nobody who torches someone else's property is a protester. They're a rioter.

despite having BLM signs. A group that goes around burning churches now...and intimidates people in their homes, in restaurants, and wherever they find them...what a really respectable movement.

Let's be clear what you mean by "intimidating". If there are personal threats made, that's rioting because making personal threats is illegal.

[Nobel Hobos 2]

“All that is required for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing."

That's why Kyle and other armed individuals were in Kenosha that day. To do something. But this kind of social activism is white supremacist terrorism when white dudes with guns from out of state do it. And Kyle is Jewish.

There's no evidence Kyle did anything but turn up, annoy protesters in some way we don't know, and shoot people in self defense.

Are you saying that's what he went there to do?

[Trollgaard]

Not anymore. Businesses in Kenosha, and at least one church were torched by the 'peaceful protestors'

Again with deliberately using the wrong word. Nobody who torches someone else's property is a protester. They're a rioter.

despite having BLM signs. A group that goes around burning churches now...and intimidates people in their homes, in restaurants, and wherever they find them...what a really respectable movement.

Let's be clear what you mean by "intimidating". If there are personal threats made, that's rioting because making personal threats is illegal.

Large groups of people screaming right in people's faces, getting physically right in front, demanding they raise their fists. Screaming and yelling and harassing. Large groups of people bringing guillotines through neighborhoods at night, and again scream and ranting all sound intimidating. Oh, and large groups of people traveling to people's homes.

Not a good look at all.

[Nobel Hobos 2]

Again with deliberately using the wrong word. Nobody who torches someone else's property is a protester. They're a rioter.



Let's be clear what you mean by "intimidating". If there are personal threats made, that's rioting because making personal threats is illegal.

Large groups of people screaming right in people's faces, getting physically right in front, demanding they raise their fists. Screaming and yelling and harassing. Large groups of people bringing guillotines through neighborhoods at night, and again scream and ranting all sound intimidating. Oh, and large groups of people traveling to people's homes.

Not a good look at all.

Sure. Sounds like a protest gone a bit too far. But unless there's a crime being committed it's still protest NOT RIOTING.

I see you're insisting that all BLM protest is violent (ie rioting) because some of it is. Do you think that will persuade anyone who isn't already head and shoulders up Trump's ass?

[Trollgaard]

Large groups of people screaming right in people's faces, getting physically right in front, demanding they raise their fists. Screaming and yelling and harassing. Large groups of people bringing guillotines through neighborhoods at night, and again scream and ranting all sound intimidating. Oh, and large groups of people traveling to people's homes.

Not a good look at all.

Sure. Sounds like a protest gone a bit too far. But unless there's a crime being committed it's still protest NOT RIOTING.

I see you're insisting that all BLM protest is violent (ie rioting) because some of it is. Do you think that will persuade anyone who isn't already head and shoulders up Trump's ass?

Not all the protests and protestors are violent. But the movement has shown what it stands for, despite what it claims, with actions over the past 3 months. And its ugly.

[Aclion]

So, we've seen three months of riots now. During this time we've also seen the use of the mantra "silence is support", meaning that those who don't speak up against violence against black people tacitly support it by their silence.
Yet despite the months of riots and the violence it's perpetuated against black citizens, black owned businesses and black neighborhoods,we continue to see people refer to the riots as "peaceful protests"

Only if you're being deliberately misleading. Mostly protests and riots are referred to separately.

Hell no. They're referred to as specifically peaceful protests almost exclusively. I see no instance of a peaceful protest begin referred to as a riot.[/quote]

Those who refer to "protests" or "riots" to mean "protests AND riots" could be either (a) opponents of both trying to implicate protesters in riots, or (b) supporters of riots trying to claim the support of protesters.

I've yet to see an A, mostly because I've yet to see anyone who opposes the actual protests. And those opposing the riots are generally pretty explicit about the distinction. The riots takeover of the protest was among the first objections in fact.

If you're (a) then don't pretend you're morally better than (b). Both are being dishonest for political reasons.

That's a suspiciously (b) suggestion to make about me.

Silence is not support. I can agree on that.

I'm not arguing that silence is support. I'm arguing that denial is participation.

Large groups of people screaming right in people's faces, getting physically right in front, demanding they raise their fists. Screaming and yelling and harassing. Large groups of people bringing guillotines through neighborhoods at night, and again scream and ranting all sound intimidating. Oh, and large groups of people traveling to people's homes.

Not a good look at all.

Sure. Sounds like a protest gone a bit too far. But unless there's a crime being committed it's still protest NOT RIOTING

assault is a crime

[Cannot think of a name]

Again a ridiculous claim of "silence is support" you don't see the right saying that if you don't support the Police you hate them. Maybe people are tired of this sort of bullshit and just want to live their lives peacefully.

Really? I feel like the entire RNC was littered with the idea that if you don’t love the police you hate America.

[The Archregimancy]

“Nobody is martyring anyone” meanwhile all the communist screaming “ rest in power comrade”

Whatever you say

Where in the thread has that happened?

We can talk about making a martyr of Rittenfuck, who is being defended by the nation's top watched cable news guy, or we could talk about the plethora of folks here in May who tried to explain alternate explanations for Floyd's death.

Mr Rittenhouse is not a politician, and therefore does not, strictly speaking, come under the purview of 'trolling via political nicknaming'. It's also been a longstanding precedent that, political nicknaming aside, you are all free to insult people who aren't members of this forum.

However, because Mr Rittenhouse's actions have become so highly politicised, and have become important in the current US presidential campaign, the moderation team are likely to consider this type of insulting nickname - of Mr Rittenhouse specifically, not necessarily generally - to constitute trolling moving forward, though as always there's scope for considering context.

Because this is a grey area, and may not have been clear, I'm not handing out a warning (formal or informal) in this instance. I wanted to provide a little clarity and give fair warning before looming sternly or handing out the red text.

[Nobel Hobos 2]

Yet despite the months of riots and the violence it's perpetuated against black citizens, black owned businesses and black neighborhoods,we continue to see people refer to the riots as "peaceful protests"

If someone refers to "peaceful protests" then what makes you think they mean riots?

Is there some other word you'd suggest, that would allow them to refer to x without you inferring they mean y?