US Anti-Police Protests and Riots Thread II

[Liriena]

Yes, you're throwing a tantrum. We've noticed.

Why are you so upset these communists didnt kill him and finish rioting?

Are you done yet?

[Galloism]

I’m not sure why you think the first assailant explicitly engaging in felonious assault and explicitly defying his duty to retreat while trying to prevent the kid from succeeding at his retreat doesn’t have the blame here.

I don't think throwing something at somebody warrants getting shot in the face.

It doesn’t, but aggressively charging him while he’s trapped in a corner while threatening severe bodily harm does. He gave the kid no escape and the kid feared he’d kill him. It’s not about the bag, it’s about the felonious assault and threat of severe bodily harm, and openly disregarding his duty to retreat while cutting off the kid’s retreat.

I kinda feel like you're the one escalating the situation when you... shoot somebody in the face.
His life was not actually in danger, but he shot to kill.

When a grown man charges a child with felonious intent to beat the shit out of him, that kid’s life and body is in danger. It’s not about the bag.

That's why the mob chased him. Again, we're going to disagree. But this is what I mean. Complete and utter cultural dissonance.

He was being chased and threatened with severe bodily harm and death before he ever fired even one shot. By the person he shot.

He wasn’t even the first one to start shooting.

[Nazeroth]

Why are you so upset these communists didnt kill him and finish rioting?

Are you done yet?

With what? You clearly have an axe to grind?

[Trollgaard]

Actually when he fired the man was bum rushing him at very close range

Unless you didnt watch the video?

I watched the video and it definitely didn't warrant a shot to the face.
Maybe I'm the only person here who was raised around guns and understanding how and when to use them, but
I've never ever been taught to shoot for the face. Ever. That's completely fucked up and intentional murder.
You shoot for the torso.

...

If you are going to shoot you shoot to kill.

Rittenhouse had to turn and shoot quickly or the bald guy would have been on him.

[Nazeroth]

Actually when he fired the man was bum rushing him at very close range

Unless you didnt watch the video?

I watched the video and it definitely didn't warrant a shot to the face.
Maybe I'm the only person here who was raised around guns and understanding how and when to use them, but
I've never ever been taught to shoot for the face. Ever. That's completely fucked up and intentional murder.
You shoot for the torso.

I dont think you know shit about firearms or their use personally

[Drusia Dan]

When a grown man charges a child with felonious intent to beat the shit out of him, that kid’s life and body is in danger. It’s not about the bag.

He was being chased and threatened with severe bodily harm and death before he ever fired even one shot.

"A child"
He showed up with an assault rifle. You cannot open carry an assault weapon in Wisconsin under the age of 18, so stop using the word "child." I was sixteen when I enrolled in college. You're old enough to know right from wrong, and you'd better grow the fuck up if you're open carrying because people are going to assume you're legal. Don't act like a big kid if you can't handle it.

He was a big boy who made the decision to arm himself, go to a protest, and shoot. If he couldn't handle the pressure/was going to panic, he should've stayed home. Shots to the face are intentional manslaughter. I hope he goes to prison, and I hope they rehabilitate him because he is obviously very sick in the head.

[Drusia Dan]

I watched the video and it definitely didn't warrant a shot to the face.
Maybe I'm the only person here who was raised around guns and understanding how and when to use them, but
I've never ever been taught to shoot for the face. Ever. That's completely fucked up and intentional murder.
You shoot for the torso.

I dont think you know shit about firearms or their use personally

I don't think you know me at all, so I really don't see why your opinion matters.
Take some self defense classes. See what they teach you, and come back to me then.

[Nazeroth]

When a grown man charges a child with felonious intent to beat the shit out of him, that kid’s life and body is in danger. It’s not about the bag.

He was being chased and threatened with severe bodily harm and death before he ever fired even one shot.

"A child"
He showed up with an assault rifle. You cannot open carry an assault weapon in Wisconsin under the age of 18, so stop using the word "child." I was sixteen when I enrolled in college. You're old enough to know right from wrong, and you'd better grow the fuck up if you're open carrying because people are going to assume you're legal. Don't act like a big kid if you can't handle it.

He was a big boy who made the decision to arm himself, go to a protest, and shoot. If he couldn't handle the pressure/was going to panic, he should've stayed home. Shots to the face are intentional manslaughter. I hope he goes to prison, and I hope they rehabilitate him because he is obviously very sick in the head.

“I know guns”

Calls it an assault rifle

And he seemed to handle the pressure pretty well and he clearly didnt panic considering he fired only at his threat using few rounds.

[Trollgaard]

When a grown man charges a child with felonious intent to beat the shit out of him, that kid’s life and body is in danger. It’s not about the bag.

He was being chased and threatened with severe bodily harm and death before he ever fired even one shot.

"A child"
He showed up with an assault rifle. You cannot open carry an assault weapon in Wisconsin under the age of 18, so stop using the word "child." I was sixteen when I enrolled in college. You're old enough to know right from wrong, and you'd better grow the fuck up if you're open carrying because people are going to assume you're legal. Don't act like a big kid if you can't handle it.

He was a big boy who made the decision to arm himself, go to a protest, and shoot. If he couldn't handle the pressure/was going to panic, he should've stayed home. Shots to the face are intentional manslaughter. I hope he goes to prison, and I hope they rehabilitate him because he is obviously very sick in the head.

What's the point of guns in self defense? To kill the person intent on inflicting harm.

I don't think you know what you are talking about.

[Nazeroth]

I dont think you know shit about firearms or their use personally

I don't think you know me at all, so I really don't see why your opinion matters.
Take some self defense classes. See what they teach you, and come back to me then.

7 years active duty MP and two ccw licenses

So spare me

[Paddy O Fernature]

I watched the video and it definitely didn't warrant a shot to the face.
Maybe I'm the only person here who was raised around guns and understanding how and when to use them, but
I've never ever been taught to shoot for the face. Ever. That's completely fucked up and intentional murder.
You shoot for the torso.

I dont think you know shit about firearms or their use personally

Between this statement, the previous statement of "Shoot to maim", and the follow up calling his AR an "assault rifle", it's pretty laughably clear that Nazeroth is right on the money here in his statement.

[Liriena]

Are you done yet?

With what? You clearly have an axe to grind?

I do have an axe to grind with people who have the ability to read and refuse to do it because they dislike the source.

Grow up, dude. If I can read a bunch of insufferable post-structuralist literature without throwing up, you can read a report on white supremacist infiltration of law enforcement without throwing a defensive hissy fit because the authors are left-wing.

[Nazeroth]

With what? You clearly have an axe to grind?

I do have an axe to grind with people who have the ability to read and refuse to do it because they dislike the source.

Grow up, dude. If I can read a bunch of insufferable post-structuralist literature without throwing up, you can read a report on white supremacist infiltration of law enforcement without throwing a defensive hissy fit because the authors are left-wing.

Due to the nature of leftists attempting to change the meaning of words, ideas and their absolute garbage ideology

No i dont think i will “grow up dude”

[Galloism]

When a grown man charges a child with felonious intent to beat the shit out of him, that kid’s life and body is in danger. It’s not about the bag.

He was being chased and threatened with severe bodily harm and death before he ever fired even one shot.

"A child"
He showed up with an assault rifle. You cannot open carry an assault weapon in Wisconsin under the age of 18, so stop using the word "child." I was sixteen when I enrolled in college. You're old enough to know right from wrong, and you'd better grow the fuck up if you're open carrying because people are going to assume you're legal. Don't act like a big kid if you can't handle it.

So that might not be illegal. Even if it is, it’s only a class A misdemeanor, like stealing a purse.

Could the suspect carry the rifle legally?

Kyle Rittenhouse, a 17-year-old militia member who has been arrested and is facing a homicide charge in the matter, was not old enough to legally carry the assault-style rifle he had, according to statutes, which say anyone under 18 who "goes armed" with any deadly weapon is guilty of a Class A misdemeanor. John Monroe, a lawyer who specializes in gun rights cases, believes an exception for rifles and shotguns, intended to allow people age 16 and 17 to hunt, could apply.

Since it’s a rifle, it may be an exception case. Based on my reading, depending on the length of the barrel.

He was a big boy who made the decision to arm himself, go to a protest, and shoot. If he couldn't handle the pressure/was going to panic, he should've stayed home. Shots to the face are intentional manslaughter. I hope he goes to prison, and I hope they rehabilitate him because he is obviously very sick in the head.

So to be clear, if it was your skinny 17 year old son being an idiot, you’d rather he get in a fist fight with a 35 year old muscled up ex con who has been aggressively chasing him rather than use a gun? You think he’d get out of that without severe bodily harm?

If he didn’t do what he did, he’d probably be in a bed next to Jacob Blake.

He was cornered by a physically superior foe who had felonious intent and had already showed absolute disregard for Wisconsin laws regarding force and retreat, had already been shot at (from his perspective), and was quite reasonably afraid of death or severe bodily harm.

I don’t see how that’s not self defense. His self was literally in extreme danger.

[Nobel Hobos 2]

I watched the video and it definitely didn't warrant a shot to the face.
Maybe I'm the only person here who was raised around guns and understanding how and when to use them, but
I've never ever been taught to shoot for the face. Ever. That's completely fucked up and intentional murder.
You shoot for the torso.

I dont think you know shit about firearms or their use personally

When gun advocates rely on "anyone who doesn't know masses about guns has no right to an opinion" I hear a vested interest defying the law.

If you were a chemical manufacturer and I was objecting to you dumping waste in the creek, the fact that you know more about chemical waste than I do, would have no bearing whatsoever. And it's not so different. Your right to own guns has externalities.

In a democracy EVERYONE gets a say about law. Not just the people affected by it. Not just the people who know a lot about it.

[Nobel Hobos 2]

"A child"
He showed up with an assault rifle. You cannot open carry an assault weapon in Wisconsin under the age of 18, so stop using the word "child." I was sixteen when I enrolled in college. You're old enough to know right from wrong, and you'd better grow the fuck up if you're open carrying because people are going to assume you're legal. Don't act like a big kid if you can't handle it.

He was a big boy who made the decision to arm himself, go to a protest, and shoot. If he couldn't handle the pressure/was going to panic, he should've stayed home. Shots to the face are intentional manslaughter. I hope he goes to prison, and I hope they rehabilitate him because he is obviously very sick in the head.

What's the point of guns in self defense? To kill the person intent on inflicting harm.

I don't think you know what you are talking about.

That is not a statement of fact. It's a statement of your intent. To kill people if you can legally get away with it.

Killing the person is not always necessary to achieve self-defense. In Kyle's case it may have been, but you were speaking generally. If you hear someone on your porch and you suspect they're testing the front windows, and you appear with your gun and they run away, there is absolutely no need to fire at them to achieve your "self defense".

[Liriena]

I do have an axe to grind with people who have the ability to read and refuse to do it because they dislike the source.

Grow up, dude. If I can read a bunch of insufferable post-structuralist literature without throwing up, you can read a report on white supremacist infiltration of law enforcement without throwing a defensive hissy fit because the authors are left-wing.

Due to the nature of leftists attempting to change the meaning of words, ideas and their absolute garbage ideology

No i dont think i will “grow up dude”

This is pure prejudice and you know it, and it makes you look like unreasonable, childish and arrogant. You don't know what's in the report. You haven't bothered to even glimpse at the data or the methodology. You just assume, based on your simplistic, myopic demonizations.

[Fahran]

not at all, no laws were broken driving the few minutes to that city in the same country

It may be relevant in jury selection, venue, and law at a trial if he's formally indicted.

[Galloism]

What's the point of guns in self defense? To kill the person intent on inflicting harm.

I don't think you know what you are talking about.

That is not a statement of fact. It's a statement of your intent. To kill people if you can legally get away with it.

Killing the person is not always necessary to achieve self-defense. In Kyle's case it may have been, but you were speaking generally. If you hear someone on your porch and you suspect they're testing the front windows, and you appear with your gun and they run away, there is absolutely no need to fire at them to achieve your "self defense".

Indeed. Because they’re no longer intent on inflicting harm, and there is no immediate threat.

Self defense is always about immediate threat to self. There’s also defense of other, which works on a similar principle.

Kyle actually exercised this very well. When the muscled up dude was chasing him, he tried to run - keep the danger away. It’s also what Wisconsin law demands. When the threat became immediate, he could no longer stay ahead and was cornered, he engaged in self defense at extremely close range - when the threat was immediate.

He saw what he felt was danger building again, and tried to escape the danger again, got punched a couple times and kept running til he tripped. Then the danger became immediate again - and he fired.

Then the other assailant faked surrender - he took that as the danger as no longer immediate, and held his fire. Then the guy tried to shoot him at point blank range, and he engaged in self defense again when the danger became immediate and shot his arm (that has to be luck, that reaction time and hit was almost too perfect).

Every time he only used his gun when the danger of death or severe bodily harm was both imminent and severe.

He shouldn’t have been there, but he acted out self defense principles perfectly.

[Nazeroth]

Due to the nature of leftists attempting to change the meaning of words, ideas and their absolute garbage ideology

No i dont think i will “grow up dude”

This is pure prejudice and you know it, and it makes you look like unreasonable, childish and arrogant. You don't know what's in the report. You haven't bothered to even glimpse at the data or the methodology. You just assume, based on your simplistic, myopic demonizations.

Wow thats a lot of big words to say your being dishonest about the conversation. Thats all you have, to try to paint your opponents as childish.

Your not intimidating, your not coming off as clever or amything of the sort

Actually your behaving in the exact manner I would expect

[Trollgaard]

What's the point of guns in self defense? To kill the person intent on inflicting harm.

I don't think you know what you are talking about.

That is not a statement of fact. It's a statement of your intent. To kill people if you can legally get away with it.

Killing the person is not always necessary to achieve self-defense. In Kyle's case it may have been, but you were speaking generally. If you hear someone on your porch and you suspect they're testing the front windows, and you appear with your gun and they run away, there is absolutely no need to fire at them to achieve your "self defense".

True.

[Liriena]

This is pure prejudice and you know it, and it makes you look like unreasonable, childish and arrogant. You don't know what's in the report. You haven't bothered to even glimpse at the data or the methodology. You just assume, based on your simplistic, myopic demonizations.

Wow thats a lot of big words to say your being dishonest about the conversation. Thats all you have, to try to paint your opponents as childish.

Your not intimidating, your not coming off as clever or amything of the sort

Actually your behaving in the exact manner I would expect

You thought I was trying to be "intimidating"? Dude, I'm trying to give you a hand. You have any idea how daft you sound right now, lashing out because someone cited a source you disliked without even reading it?

[Nazeroth]

Wow thats a lot of big words to say your being dishonest about the conversation. Thats all you have, to try to paint your opponents as childish.

Your not intimidating, your not coming off as clever or amything of the sort

Actually your behaving in the exact manner I would expect

You thought I was trying to be "intimidating"? Dude, I'm trying to give you a hand. You have any idea how daft you sound right now, lashing out because someone cited a source you disliked without even reading it?

I didnt lash out i called the source garbage, because well...its garbage sorry that left wing propaganda isnt trustworthy.

[Liriena]

You thought I was trying to be "intimidating"? Dude, I'm trying to give you a hand. You have any idea how daft you sound right now, lashing out because someone cited a source you disliked without even reading it?

I didnt lash out i called the source garbage, because well...its garbage sorry that left wing propaganda isnt trustworthy.

You called it garbage without reading it because you thought it was left-wing.

Let me ask you this: do you really think that any research is inherently invalid if it was made by people with left-wing opinions or funded by a left-wing institution?

[Nazeroth]

I didnt lash out i called the source garbage, because well...its garbage sorry that left wing propaganda isnt trustworthy.

You called it garbage without reading it because you thought it was left-wing.

Let me ask you this: do you really think that any research is inherently invalid if it was made by people with left-wing opinions or funded by a left-wing institution?

I did read it, if you click issues the entire left side of the page is leftist talking points da fuck are you saying?