US Anti-Police Protests and Riots Thread II

[Fartsniffage]

Black people = 50%~ of violent crimes

Survey says:
34 %

Your math is definitely trustworthy.

Why are you bothering with him?

[San Lumen]

Yet you seen to have no idea what they are like. I know people who came from them. Under your fantasy what is to stop the police and government from doing whatever they want?

If democracy meant that the police were held to account then there would be no need for these protests, would there?

That doesn’t answer my question

[Gravlen]

Survey says:
34 %

Your math is definitely trustworthy.

Why are you bothering with him?

I don't even know. Thanks.

[The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp]

And then there are the police shooting at random people on there porch, pushing over old men.

Are you gonna keep repeating this phrase ad nauseum every time? This is like the tenth time you've mentioned it.

People tend to move on to the next big fucked up thing.

I remind them that there was recently also very fucked up things besides the latest fucked up thing. Beacuse the fucked up things I am talking about where indeed fucked up and dont deserve to be forgotten.

[Kathol Rift]

Except most of the places they are showing up are not peaceful protests. They are going to riots with their riot gear. We see the ones that go to peaceful protests and break it up on the news because that’s what makes a juicy headline. Most of the ones in riot gear are being deployed to riots. And they are usually only using force when they absolutely need to in most places, because most police departments are trying to avoid giving themselves a bad image.

This is just fundamentally untrue. Scroll through Twitter or WT and you'll see a near limitless number of videos of riot police gassing and brutalizing peaceful citizens in cities all across the country.

Yes, I’m going to use social media for my evidence as opposed to firsthand knowledge. As it so happens, my dad is a police officer who has been deployed to riot duty several times over the last week. I have also talked to multiple police officers from other departments in this general area, and my dad has talked to even more. He has been deployed on riot duty at least five times now. One of those was for a peaceful protest, where nobody was throwing rocks or bricks, nobody was attacking the officers, and nobody was looting. In that case, nobody was arrested. Every other time people have been throwing rocks through windows, trying to set fire to things, attacking the officers, and generally not embodying the statement “peaceful.” This has also happened to officers from two other departments I have talked to, and also to almost every department in my state according to my dad, who has actually been there doing this. So, I’m going to place just a little bit more trust in the firsthand knowledge that I have than the videos on social media.
And I know that cops are gettin violent in a lot of situations they shouldn’t be getting violent in. I’m not saying that the protests are wrong, I’m not saying that the police should go crack down on every protest, I’m only saying that for a great many of these situations where the police need to get violent, it was the protestors/rioters that got violent first.

[Gormwood]

'We were wrong': NFL commissioner says league failed to listen to players on protests

For all the fucking good it does Colin Kaepernick.

Trump today tweeted that you should not kneel.

He really lacks perception.

[Confessional Korea]

Demonstrate how the data is skewed or I have misunderstood it, please? Because I'm not just making my own conclusions from the data but I'm echoing the conclusions drawn by the researchers themselves. Personally, I wouldn't say that "there is no racist bias among police officers" is a racist statement, but hey, I've been called it for less!

Well then please, link said data if you're so confident in the conclusions.

Demonstrate how the data is skewed or I have misunderstood it, please? Because I'm not just making my own conclusions from the data but I'm echoing the conclusions drawn by the researchers themselves. Personally, I wouldn't say that "there is no racist bias among police officers" is a racist statement, but hey, I've been called it for less!

Could you link those? I'm having trouble tracking them down based on the authors you linked.

The 2.5x figure comes from Beer (2020) and Lowery (2016) and it controls for population %. This method of testing is misleading however because it makes the assumption that people of all racial groups have the same likelihood of running into the police - which is false. To quote from Cesario et al. (2018):

"However, using population as a benchmark makes the strong assumption that White and Black civilians have equal exposure to situations that result in FOIS. If there are racial differences in exposure to these situations, calculations of racial disparity based on population benchmarks will be misleading.
In essence, benchmarking approaches test whether members from certain racial groups are shot more than we would expect relative to some benchmark. The issue is that conclusions regarding racial disparities depend more on the benchmark used (population or violent crime) than the data (the number of people fatally shot). "

Cesario et al. (2018)
Response to criticism #1
Response to Criticism #2

One paper found that police were more likely to shoot Caucasian and Hispanic suspects as opposed to blacks
James, Villa and Daratha (2013) (i misspelled this when citing earlier, sorry)

Another found it took officers longer to shoot at a black suspect than a white or Hispanic suspect, and that 14% of non-aggressing whites were shot compared to 1% of blacks..
James, James and Villa (2016)

Finally, Correll et al. (2014) concludes no racial bias among the police.
Correll et al. (2014)

[Washington Resistance Army]

An NYC judge suspended habeas corpus apparently. The police are your enemies, never forget that.

[Greed and Death]

The entire emergency response team has resigned in Buffalo.

[Fartsniffage]

An NYC judge suspended habeas corpus apparently. The police are your enemies, never forget that.

Source?

[Kathol Rift]

An NYC judge suspended habeas corpus apparently. The police are your enemies, never forget that.

How does a judge suspending Habeas Corpus mean that all police are your enemies? Those do not seem to correlate to one another.

[Kowani]

Because

1) Protesting not being able to slave away your life to make pittance wages is ridiculous self-sacrificing bullshit
2) If they were actually strapped for cash, the government was more than willing to hand them money [hint: they weren't!]
3) If they had done nothing, nothing bad would have happened, which is what makes it a silly protest. The point of protest isn't to express disapproval over something. The point of protest is to shut shit down because society isn't working anymore. The BLM protests are valid because, if they did nothing, the government would continue summarily executing their loved ones.

I'd like to restate that both of these groups absolutely should be allowed to peaceably assemble, as their rights are protected by the 1st Amendment. However, from a social point of view, the anti-lockdown protesters were not justified and BLM absolutely is.

I'm sorry but you have to be awfully privileged to have the gall to make such a comment. My mother is a key worker so she never lost her job, but we live pay check to pay check. We would've had no money, couldn't pay bills, couldn't buy food etc. We would've suffered and have to beg for money from family to make ends meet.

BLM protests are for a different reason. Black Lives Matter is protesting the MYTH that black people are victims of a systemically racist police force. Let's see if the data backs up their claims?

White people are over-represented in police killings when you control for likelihood to run into the police (correlated with crime rate) as opposed to population %

This is untrue. Cesario et al makes the assumption (which is entirely unproven) that crime report data is actually reflective of the true percentage of crime committed by different ethnic groups. We shall quote their own analysis here and then proceed to explain why it is wrong.

As actual crime rates cannot be known for certain, they must
be approximated or inferred from some measure. We estimate
criminal activity of Blacks and Whites from four sources: (1)
the Federal Bureau of Investigation’s (FBI’s) Summary Report
System (SRS), (2) the FBI’s National Incident-Based Reporting System (NIBRS), (3) the Bureau of Justice Statistics’
National Crime Victimization Survey (NCVS), and (4) the
Centers for Disease Control’s (CDC) WONDER database. [...] The CDC classifies deaths by a
range of assaults. Given that homicide victims are overwhelmingly (*90%) killed by a same-race offender (Cooper &
Smith, 2011; Harrell, 2007), the CDC data can be used to estimate fatal assaults by Black and White offenders.
Perhaps the most critical decision across our analyses is the use of these data sets as proxies for actual criminal involvement. If these data are themselves subject to racial bias, such that Black citizens are overrepresented in these data sets relative to their actual criminal activity, then the denominator in the odds calculation for Black citizens will be artificially high, masking real anti-Black disparity in police shootings.

Please, try again.

Cops are more likely to shoot Caucasians or Hispanics than blacks
>James, Villa, and Dartha (2013)

Link or it doesn't exist, 'cause looking it up gives me an author and a fried chicken recipe.

Significant bias favoring black suspects
>James, James, and Villa (2016)
14% of non-aggressing whites were shot compared to 1% of blacks.
>James, James, and Villa (2016)

Link any of these.

No racial bias in police shootings
>Correll et al. (2014)

From your study: "But racial bias was not eliminated among the officers. Rather, it
emerged exclusively in response times. Police, like undergraduates and laypeople, were faster to shoot armed Blacks and faster to choose don’t shoot for unarmed Whites."
Could you read farther than the abstract for two seconds.

Black suspects are more likely to resist arrest
>(Rubenstein 2016)

Yes, the American Renaissance, which calls "karen" an anti-white slur. Please, find something credible.

[Fartsniffage]

The entire emergency response team has resigned in Buffalo.

Bunch of pussies.

[Washington Resistance Army]

An NYC judge suspended habeas corpus apparently. The police are your enemies, never forget that.

Source?

https://lawandcrime.com/george-floyd-de ... -protests/

One of the few times I agree with AOC.

An NYC judge suspended habeas corpus apparently. The police are your enemies, never forget that.

How does a judge suspending Habeas Corpus mean that all police are your enemies? Those do not seem to correlate to one another.

People in NYC can now be detained for days without charges. Police are very rapidly becoming less of a government institution and more of an enemy that should be fought.

[Washington Resistance Army]

And for fucks sake can you all put the obvious puppet account on ignore and stop shitting up the thread

[Kathol Rift]

Source?

https://lawandcrime.com/george-floyd-de ... -protests/

One of the few times I agree with AOC.

How does a judge suspending Habeas Corpus mean that all police are your enemies? Those do not seem to correlate to one another.

People in NYC can now be detained for days without charges. Police are very rapidly becoming less of a government institution and more of an enemy that should be fought.

Yet it was not the police that suspended Habeas Corpus. It was a judge. So how does a judge doing this (and I agree that that is not the right thing to do) make the police the enemy? They didn’t suspend Habeas corpus. The judge did.

[Confessional Korea]

And for fucks sake can you all put the obvious puppet account on ignore and stop shitting up the thread

This is just a thinly veiled way to bypass calling me a troll but avoid getting warned for trollnaming. To be honest I expected better from you.

[Fartsniffage]

One of the few times I agree with AOC.

Closer and closer to the American Civil war....

[New haven america]

And for fucks sake can you all put the obvious puppet account on ignore and stop shitting up the thread

This is just a thinly veiled way to bypass calling me a troll but avoid getting warned for trollnaming. To be honest I expected better from you.

What do you mean by "Alt history where Korea adopted Christianity?"

Christianity's already the largest religion in Korea. (Atheism is the largest belief system though, but still)

[Washington Resistance Army]

One of the few times I agree with AOC.

Closer and closer to the American Civil war....

It certainly feels that way.

[United States of Devonta]

Austin police shoot at protesters as they carry a wounded student who had been shot in the head with rubber bullets.

The victim now is in critical condition.

[Greed and Death]

One of the few times I agree with AOC.

Closer and closer to the American Civil war....

and I have decided to get out of bullets and sell beer.

[The New California Republic]

Austin police shoot at protesters as they carry a wounded student who had been shot in the head with rubber bullets.

The victim now is in critical condition.

Fucking monstrous.

[Cisairse]

Source?

https://lawandcrime.com/george-floyd-de ... -protests/

One of the few times I agree with AOC.

How does a judge suspending Habeas Corpus mean that all police are your enemies? Those do not seem to correlate to one another.

People in NYC can now be detained for days without charges. Police are very rapidly becoming less of a government institution and more of an enemy that should be fought.

Those god-fearing conservative judges McConnell likes to tout so much at work.

Destroying the country to own the libs.

[Gravlen]

This is good news, but at the same time it just adds to the feeling that the right hand doesn't know what the left is doing:

Manhattan DA will not prosecute many arrested protesters, joining others declining to press charges

The Manhattan district attorney said Friday that his office would not prosecute those arrested on charges of unlawful assembly or disorderly conduct amid protests against excessive police force and the death of George Floyd.

“The prosecution of protesters charged with these low-level offenses undermines critical bonds between law enforcement and the communities we serve,” District Attorney Cyrus Vance Jr. said in a statement, joining a growing group of officials declining to move forward with charges for many demonstrators.

Previously, Vance said, the DA’s office offered people the chance to get those kinds of charges dismissed within six months.

The Brooklyn DA’s office also told Forbes it has been declining to prosecute charges of disorderly conduct or unlawful assembly arising from the demonstrations. San Francisco District Attorney Chesa Boudin — a progressive elected on vows to combat mass incarceration and police misconduct — tweeted Thursday, “We will not prosecute peaceful protest.”

In Dallas, police said they would not pursue charges against hundreds of protesters arrested Monday, the Dallas Morning News reported. Chief Reneé Hall continued to defend the arrests — denounced by many as escalating a peaceful gathering — as necessary to protect people on an open road.

The announcement in Manhattan came a day after a New York judge said he would not free protesters who have waited for more than a day in jail. New York’s Legal Aid Society had filed a lawsuit against the New York Police Department on behalf of more than 100 protesters who were detained beyond the state’s standard for release.

New York County Supreme Court Justice James M. Burke called the situation a “crisis within a crisis,” attributing the delay to the increased volume of arrests as well as the need to conduct arraignments virtually because of the coronavirus outbreak.