US Anti-Police Protests and Riots Thread II

[Confessional Korea]

Nope, it does. If X are more likely to run into the police, then X should have a higher probability of being shot at by the police.
Black people = 13% of population
Black people = 50%~ of violent crimes
Black people = 24% of police killings

This does show that black people are, relative to share of population, disproportionately killed by the police. However, it is because they also disproportionately commit violent crimes. This is the abstract of Cesario et al. (2018) paper "Is There Evidence of Racial Disparity in Police Use of Deadly Force? Analyses of Officer-Involved Fatal Shootings in 2015–2016":

Is there evidence of a Black–White disparity in death by police gunfire in the United States? This is commonly answered by comparing the odds of being fatally shot for Blacks and Whites, with odds benchmarked against each group’s population proportion. However, adjusting for population values has questionable assumptions given the context of deadly force decisions. We benchmark 2 years of fatal shooting data on 16 crime rate estimates. When adjusting for crime, we find no systematic evidence of anti-Black disparities in fatal shootings, fatal shootings of unarmed citizens, or fatal shootings involving misidentification of harmless objects. Multiverse analyses showed only one significant anti-Black disparity of 144 possible tests. Exposure to police given crime rate differences likely accounts for the higher per capita rate of fatal police shootings for Blacks, at least when analyzing all shootings. For unarmed shootings or misidentification shootings, data are too uncertain to be conclusive.

Cesario went onto explain the research in detail following a critique in 2019, which you can find located here: https://psyarxiv.com/p3ejq/

Nothing in here suggests that black people are "underrepresented" in police killings.

Also, you leave out many factors in your analysis, including policies such as stop and frisk as well as increased police presence in black neighborhoods.

There's no point in me bothering with you. You have been presented with a clear case for why there is no systematic racism among the American police, something attested to be Correll et al. (2014), complete with multiple citations to back up the conclusions reached. And you just look at it and say "hmm no I disagree" without even reading the two papers I linked to you.

[Rojava Free State]

You said that correctly before. It was Confessional Korea who changed it to "underrepresented".

Nah, they weren't correct. Controlling for population share as opposed to likelihood to run into the police results in skewed data. I advise you read this article that I linked that defends crime rate benchmarks as opposed to using population % as the benchmark.

Lol and I posted a study that shows unarmed black people are disproportionately killed compared to whites. In other words you're still wrong, and you're throwing shit at the wall trying to justify your hatred of blacks.

[Rojava Free State]

Go move to Uzbekistan, Tajikistan or Turkmenistan and let us know how great dictatorship is. In Uzbekistan you can't move from town to another without government approval

And there are dictatorships where you can move from town to town without government approval. I support repressing freedom of speech and protesting, maybe regulating or removing democracy all together. I don't necessarily support a Big Brother style government. More authoritarian than Putin, less than Franco, is my style

Thats easy to say when you don't live in a dictatorship. If you think tyranny is fun, move from the UK to North Korea.

I don't support North Korea either, In fact I'm an advocate for regime change and forced reunification.

Dictatorship is cool till it's not YOUR dictatorship. Then it isnt so fun.

You just think it's cool because you never lived in one. Shit gets ugly.

[SangMar]

$600 per week is around double the poverty line.

And if you want to play the "nobody should be forced into hardship due to factors beyond their control" card, well, I 100% agree. Welcome to the club of socialism. We need more members anyway.

I'm not a liberal lol, I'm way more sympathetic to socialism than capitalism.

Not a “liberal”.

All aboard the “I don’t know what a liberal” train, everyone!

[San Lumen]

Go move to Uzbekistan, Tajikistan or Turkmenistan and let us know how great dictatorship is. In Uzbekistan you can't move from town to another without government approval

And there are dictatorships where you can move from town to town without government approval. I support repressing freedom of speech and protesting, maybe regulating or removing democracy all together. I don't necessarily support a Big Brother style government. More authoritarian than Putin, less than Franco, is my style

Thats easy to say when you don't live in a dictatorship. If you think tyranny is fun, move from the UK to North Korea.

I don't support North Korea either, In fact I'm an advocate for regime change and forced reunification.

And if the government decides to throw LGBT people or anyone non white in prison or create V for Vendetta oh well?

[Cisairse]

$600 per week is around double the poverty line.

And if you want to play the "nobody should be forced into hardship due to factors beyond their control" card, well, I 100% agree. Welcome to the club of socialism. We need more members anyway.

$600 dollars is £472 per week, you... might be okay, in the UK with that? I don’t know, if wouldn’t be great though.

That’s why I’m a social democrat... and communist in the US by association!

Depends on where you are in the US. In some places, $600/wk is high living. In other places, it doesn't even cover rent.

[Bienenhalde]

Both of them should have been stopped because they were breaking the law and endangering police and the general public.

My right to peaceably assemble under the First Amendment trumps your "right" to go to Target.

That is a stupid response. When did I ever claim a "right" to go to Target?

[SangMar]

Nah, they weren't correct. Controlling for population share as opposed to likelihood to run into the police results in skewed data. I advise you read this article that I linked that defends crime rate benchmarks as opposed to using population % as the benchmark.

Lol and I posted a study that shows unarmed black people are disproportionately killed compared to whites. In other words you're still wrong, and you're throwing shit at the wall trying to justify your hatred of blacks.

My lad. There aren’t many aren’t many young overt racists in the UK, but when you meet them...

Damn. You meet them.

[Confessional Korea]

I'm not a liberal lol, I'm way more sympathetic to socialism than capitalism.

Yet you want a dictatorship where no one has any rights whatsoever and the government can do whatever it wants without consequences

Incorrect.

Nah, they weren't correct. Controlling for population share as opposed to likelihood to run into the police results in skewed data. I advise you read this article that I linked that defends crime rate benchmarks as opposed to using population % as the benchmark.

Lol and I posted a study that shows unarmed black people are disproportionately killed compared to whites. In other words you're still wrong, and you're throwing shit at the wall trying to justify your hatred of blacks.

That's pretty interesting. I don't believe blacks are victims of systemic racism at the hands of the police means that I... hate them? That's news to me!
Anyway, I read your link multiple times, you're not the first to send me it. More black people being killed doesn't demonstrate they're victims of systemic racism among the police.

[SangMar]

$600 dollars is £472 per week, you... might be okay, in the UK with that? I don’t know, if wouldn’t be great though.

That’s why I’m a social democrat... and communist in the US by association!

Depends on where you are in the US. In some places, $600/wk is high living. In other places, it doesn't even cover rent.

In the UK, I’d argue you’re good outside of major cities. As let me be honest:

Much of the UK - even many of the big cities, is an underfunded shithole.

[Cisairse]

More black people being killed doesn't demonstrate they're victims of systemic racism among the police.

[San Lumen]

Yet you want a dictatorship where no one has any rights whatsoever and the government can do whatever it wants without consequences

Incorrect.

Lol and I posted a study that shows unarmed black people are disproportionately killed compared to whites. In other words you're still wrong, and you're throwing shit at the wall trying to justify your hatred of blacks.

That's pretty interesting. I don't believe blacks are victims of systemic racism at the hands of the police means that I... hate them? That's news to me!
Anyway, I read your link multiple times, you're not the first to send me it. More black people being killed doesn't demonstrate they're victims of systemic racism among the police.

well since you want no democracy what is to stop the police and the government from doing whatever they want?

[Confessional Korea]

And there are dictatorships where you can move from town to town without government approval. I support repressing freedom of speech and protesting, maybe regulating or removing democracy all together. I don't necessarily support a Big Brother style government. More authoritarian than Putin, less than Franco, is my style


I don't support North Korea either, In fact I'm an advocate for regime change and forced reunification.

Dictatorship is cool till it's not YOUR dictatorship. Then it isnt so fun.

You just think it's cool because you never lived in one. Shit gets ugly.

You don't know anything about me. You don't know how old I am, my name, my place of residence, my family background, where I have and haven't lived. I'd keep your mouth shut lad.

I'm not a liberal lol, I'm way more sympathetic to socialism than capitalism.

Not a “liberal”.

All aboard the “I don’t know what a liberal” train, everyone!

By liberal I'm referring to anyone who adheres to enlightenment/liberal ideas. That includes individualism, representative democracy, secularism, humanism, feminism, egalitarianism and capitalism. Not just democrats or whatever.

[Confessional Korea]

More black people being killed doesn't demonstrate they're victims of systemic racism among the police.

3 bank robbers holding hostages. 2 black, 1 white.
Police shoot all three of them. Are they racist for this?

[Cisairse]

3 bank robbers holding hostages. 2 black, 1 white.
Police shoot all three of them. Are they racist for this?

No, but you're racist for asking this question.

[Confessional Korea]

Incorrect.


That's pretty interesting. I don't believe blacks are victims of systemic racism at the hands of the police means that I... hate them? That's news to me!
Anyway, I read your link multiple times, you're not the first to send me it. More black people being killed doesn't demonstrate they're victims of systemic racism among the police.

well since you want no democracy what is to stop the police and the government from doing whatever they want?

Well I disagreed with your "no rights" part. I'm fine with some "rights". Right to own private property, right to life, right to healthcare, right to education etc. I just think freedom of speech and protesting aren't necessary.

[Confessional Korea]

3 bank robbers holding hostages. 2 black, 1 white.
Police shoot all three of them. Are they racist for this?

No, but you're racist for asking this question.

Cope harder. Is it racist when black people more killed black people than cops kill black people?

[Rojava Free State]

Dictatorship is cool till it's not YOUR dictatorship. Then it isnt so fun.

You just think it's cool because you never lived in one. Shit gets ugly.

You don't know anything about me. You don't know how old I am, my name, my place of residence, my family background, where I have and haven't lived. I'd keep your mouth shut lad.

Looks like I struck a nerve. I know you don't live in a dictatorship, and you think it's a cool idea because you think the dictator will be on your side and not against you.

[South Odreria 2]

3 bank robbers holding hostages. 2 black, 1 white.
Police shoot all three of them. Are they racist for this?

Why would the police shoot hostages?

[Rojava Free State]

No, but you're racist for asking this question.

Cope harder. Is it racist when black people more killed black people than cops kill black people?

It is when this is your deflection point. Someone says "police disproportionately kill black people" and your response is "well black people disproportionately kill black people."

[Rojava Free State]

Yet you want a dictatorship where no one has any rights whatsoever and the government can do whatever it wants without consequences

Incorrect.

Lol and I posted a study that shows unarmed black people are disproportionately killed compared to whites. In other words you're still wrong, and you're throwing shit at the wall trying to justify your hatred of blacks.

That's pretty interesting. I don't believe blacks are victims of systemic racism at the hands of the police means that I... hate them? That's news to me!
Anyway, I read your link multiple times, you're not the first to send me it. More black people being killed doesn't demonstrate they're victims of systemic racism among the police.

More unarmed black ppl kinda does. It isnt just more blacks in general.

[Eahland]

So, here in Vermont, I witnessed our own local BLM demonstration. There were 40-50 protesters on the shoulder between the grocery store and the main road, with signs and flags and chanting. People driving by were honking their horns and giving them thumbs-ups.

There was no police presence. At all. Zero cops in sight. Mysteriously, nothing got looted, no one got shot with rubber bullets or tear gas canisters, no one got murdered. Traffic wasn't even impeded.

Amazing how those things start happening when a bunch of cops in riot gear show up.

[Rojava Free State]

So, here in Vermont, I witnessed our own local BLM demonstration. There were 40-50 protesters on the shoulder between the grocery store and the main road, with signs and flags and chanting. People driving by were honking their horns and giving them thumbs-ups.

There was no police presence. At all. Zero cops in sight. Mysteriously, nothing got looted, no one got shot with rubber bullets or tear gas canisters, no one got murdered. Traffic wasn't even impeded.

Amazing how those things start happening when a bunch of cops in riot gear show up.

These are the things they don't want you to know.

[Dominioan]

So, here in Vermont, I witnessed our own local BLM demonstration. There were 40-50 protesters on the shoulder between the grocery store and the main road, with signs and flags and chanting. People driving by were honking their horns and giving them thumbs-ups.

There was no police presence. At all. Zero cops in sight. Mysteriously, nothing got looted, no one got shot with rubber bullets or tear gas canisters, no one got murdered. Traffic wasn't even impeded.

Amazing how those things start happening when a bunch of cops in riot gear show up.

Lies. HOW?!

[SangMar]

So, here in Vermont, I witnessed our own local BLM demonstration. There were 40-50 protesters on the shoulder between the grocery store and the main road, with signs and flags and chanting. People driving by were honking their horns and giving them thumbs-ups.

There was no police presence. At all. Zero cops in sight. Mysteriously, nothing got looted, no one got shot with rubber bullets or tear gas canisters, no one got murdered. Traffic wasn't even impeded.

Amazing how those things start happening when a bunch of cops in riot gear show up.

These are the things they don't want you to know.

Same here. Refer to the UK and Amsterdam.