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Are the police racist?

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No
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Postby Upper Nan » Tue Aug 11, 2020 10:09 am

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The notorious crime punishable by death, doing the drugs.

Ah, and only if it were only George Floyd.


didnt he also assault a pregnant woman?

First I've heard of it.
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Postby Genivaria » Tue Aug 11, 2020 10:09 am

Loben III wrote:
Valrifell wrote:
The notorious crime punishable by death, doing the drugs.

Ah, and only if it were only George Floyd.


didnt he also assault a pregnant woman?

'police brutality apologists bring up alleged past crimes to justify police murdering a citizen'
Take a shot.

Also no there's no evidence of that.
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Postby Valrifell » Tue Aug 11, 2020 10:10 am

Loben III wrote:
Valrifell wrote:
The notorious crime punishable by death, doing the drugs.

Ah, and only if it were only George Floyd.


didnt he also assault a pregnant woman?


No? A quick google search informs me that whatever this is, it's a fake meme.

Assault is still not punishable by death. Law enforcement shouldn't be like Judges from DREDD.
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Postby Vassenor » Tue Aug 11, 2020 10:11 am

Upper Nan wrote:
Loben III wrote:
didnt he also assault a pregnant woman?

First I've heard of it.


Supposedly one of the occupants of the home he was alleged to have robbed was pregnant, even though there's no evidence that she was.
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Postby Loben III » Tue Aug 11, 2020 10:11 am

Genivaria wrote:
Loben III wrote:
didnt he also assault a pregnant woman?

'police brutality apologists bring up alleged past crimes to justify police murdering a citizen'
Take a shot.

Also no there's no evidence of that.


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Postby Genivaria » Tue Aug 11, 2020 10:12 am

Valrifell wrote:
Loben III wrote:
didnt he also assault a pregnant woman?


No? A quick google search informs me that whatever this is, it's a fake meme.

Assault is still not punishable by death. Law enforcement shouldn't be like Judges from DREDD.

I feel like American conservatives idolize and romanticize fictional police states and cops who play fast and loose with things like 'due process' and 'rights' because they can imagine themselves ever being on the end of such treatment.
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Postby -Astoria- » Tue Aug 11, 2020 10:12 am

Genivaria wrote:
Loben III wrote:
didnt he also assault a pregnant woman?

'police brutality apologists bring up alleged past crimes to justify police murdering a citizen'
Take a shot.

Also no there's no evidence of that.

Welcome to the club, mate; soon, you're going to get alcohol poisoning with the number of future shots you'll take.
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Postby Loben III » Tue Aug 11, 2020 10:13 am

Vassenor wrote:
Upper Nan wrote:First I've heard of it.


Supposedly one of the occupants of the home he was alleged to have robbed was pregnant, even though there's no evidence that she was.


>allegded to have robbed.

thats -50 to your POC friendliness score vass.
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Postby Genivaria » Tue Aug 11, 2020 10:14 am

-Astoria- wrote:
Genivaria wrote:'police brutality apologists bring up alleged past crimes to justify police murdering a citizen'
Take a shot.

Also no there's no evidence of that.

Welcome to the club, mate; soon, you're going to get alcohol poisoning with the number of future shots you'll take.

Yeah I'll have to really space them out. :D
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Postby Genivaria » Tue Aug 11, 2020 10:14 am

Loben III wrote:
Vassenor wrote:
Supposedly one of the occupants of the home he was alleged to have robbed was pregnant, even though there's no evidence that she was.


>allegded to have robbed.

thats -50 to your POC friendliness score vass.

Yes there's this new concept called Innocent Until Proven Guilty, has your country discovered it yet?
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Postby Loben III » Tue Aug 11, 2020 10:17 am

Genivaria wrote:
Loben III wrote:
>allegded to have robbed.

thats -50 to your POC friendliness score vass.

Yes there's this new concept called Innocent Until Proven Guilty, has your country discovered it yet?


oh sure, innocent until proven guilty unless its a guy putting a knee to some guys back.

then you can scream murder and have people burn down a few inner city areas to *really* give this place a great, third world country feel.
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Postby Greed and Death » Tue Aug 11, 2020 10:17 am

Upper Nan wrote:
Kowani wrote:Yes, this would be the problematic part. Though it should be noted that they only specified corporations, and not, say, local businesses, which would indicate that they may find it problematic if local businesses became the target instead of Sweatshop Footwear Nike.

Sure, but what's to stop someone from carrying this line of reasoning to aforementioned local businesses? Or, for that matter, people's homes? I'm typically of the opinion that slippery slope arguments are fallacious ~99% of the time, but this is one of the rare instances where I think it's valid (maybe not so much homes, as it's different enough that justification would be harder, but going from larger corporations to smaller businesses isn't a huge stretch--especially once you've successfully looted all the corporations in the immediate vicinity).


Small businesses without insurance have already been looted. Those are often minority ran as well.
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Postby -Astoria- » Tue Aug 11, 2020 10:20 am

Loben III wrote:
Genivaria wrote:Yes there's this new concept called Innocent Until Proven Guilty, has your country discovered it yet?


oh sure, innocent until proven guilty unless its a guy putting a knee to some guys back.

then you can scream murder and have people burn down a few inner city areas to *really* give this place a great, third world country feel.

Really reaching for a "gotcha", no?
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Postby Upper Nan » Tue Aug 11, 2020 10:20 am

Loben III wrote:
Genivaria wrote:Yes there's this new concept called Innocent Until Proven Guilty, has your country discovered it yet?


oh sure, innocent until proven guilty unless its a guy putting a knee to some guys back.

then you can scream murder and have people burn down a few inner city areas to *really* give this place a great, third world country feel.

Given that there's literal video evidence of it happening? Not the same thing at all.
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Postby Upper Nan » Tue Aug 11, 2020 10:21 am

Greed and Death wrote:
Upper Nan wrote:Sure, but what's to stop someone from carrying this line of reasoning to aforementioned local businesses? Or, for that matter, people's homes? I'm typically of the opinion that slippery slope arguments are fallacious ~99% of the time, but this is one of the rare instances where I think it's valid (maybe not so much homes, as it's different enough that justification would be harder, but going from larger corporations to smaller businesses isn't a huge stretch--especially once you've successfully looted all the corporations in the immediate vicinity).


Small businesses without insurance have already been looted. Those are often minority ran as well.
A large amount of wealth in the black community has been destroyed by these riots.

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Postby Genivaria » Tue Aug 11, 2020 10:23 am

Also speaking as a life-long resident of south east Texas, Harris and Montgomery counties are both corrupt shitholes.
Seriously fuck Houston, I'm glad I left.

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Goines is accused of lying in a search warrant affidavit in January 2019 that he had a confidential informant buy small baggies of heroin from a man at a southeast Houston home. Goines later told HPD investigators he had bought the heroin himself.

https://www.courthousenews.com/shocking ... epartment/

And another from a year back.
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Postby Page » Tue Aug 11, 2020 10:25 am

Loben III wrote:
Bear Stearns wrote:
It was never about George Floyd nor Confederate statues.


George Floyd the lovable gentle Drug addled giant.

waitaminute.


Do you also have an irrelevant point to dog whistle approval of the murders of Breonna Taylor and Elijah McClain?
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Postby Genivaria » Tue Aug 11, 2020 10:25 am

Upper Nan wrote:
Loben III wrote:
oh sure, innocent until proven guilty unless its a guy putting a knee to some guys back.

then you can scream murder and have people burn down a few inner city areas to *really* give this place a great, third world country feel.

Given that there's literal video evidence of it happening? Not the same thing at all.

A literal video of a cop murdering a man is not evidence of guilt but an internet meme is, okay. :roll:
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Postby Upper Nan » Tue Aug 11, 2020 10:27 am

Genivaria wrote:
Upper Nan wrote:Given that there's literal video evidence of it happening? Not the same thing at all.

A literal video of a cop murdering a man is not evidence of guilt but an internet meme is, okay. :roll:

When all you have is a hammer, everything looks like a nail.
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Postby Loben III » Tue Aug 11, 2020 10:28 am

Page wrote:
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George Floyd the lovable gentle Drug addled giant.

waitaminute.


Do you also have an irrelevant point to dog whistle approval of the murders of Breonna Taylor and Elijah McClain?


who?
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Postby The Alma Mater » Tue Aug 11, 2020 10:29 am

Page wrote:
Loben III wrote:
George Floyd the lovable gentle Drug addled giant.

waitaminute.


Do you also have an irrelevant point to dog whistle approval of the murders of Breonna Taylor and Elijah McClain?


Well, it probably is not entirely irrelevant. Considering the cop apparantly knew Floyd and his violent history, that Floyd was yelling he could not breathe well before any cop even touched him and that the team that arrested him was pretty multiracial one can wonder if Floyd truly was the best posterchild for the anti-police protests.

Especially when so many other examples exist...
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Postby Loben III » Tue Aug 11, 2020 10:30 am

The Alma Mater wrote:
Page wrote:
Do you also have an irrelevant point to dog whistle approval of the murders of Breonna Taylor and Elijah McClain?


Well, it probably is not entirely irrelevant. Considering the cop apparantly knew Floyd and his violent history, that Floyd was yelling he could not breathe well before any cop even touched him and that the team that arrested him was pretty multiracial one can wonder if Floyd truly was the best posterchild for the anti-police protests.

Especially when so many other examples exist...


what?
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Postby Bear Stearns » Tue Aug 11, 2020 10:30 am

The Alma Mater wrote:
Page wrote:
Do you also have an irrelevant point to dog whistle approval of the murders of Breonna Taylor and Elijah McClain?


Well, it probably is not entirely irrelevant. Considering the cop apparantly knew Floyd and his violent history, that Floyd was yelling he could not breathe well before any cop even touched him and that the team that arrested him was pretty multiracial one can wonder if Floyd truly was the best posterchild for the anti-police protests.

Especially when so many other examples exist...


You would think this. Why make Floyd the martyr? It's confusing.

But then you realize it was never about George Floyd.
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Postby Loben III » Tue Aug 11, 2020 10:32 am

Bear Stearns wrote:
The Alma Mater wrote:
Well, it probably is not entirely irrelevant. Considering the cop apparantly knew Floyd and his violent history, that Floyd was yelling he could not breathe well before any cop even touched him and that the team that arrested him was pretty multiracial one can wonder if Floyd truly was the best posterchild for the anti-police protests.

Especially when so many other examples exist...


You would think this. Why make Floyd the martyr? It's confusing.

But then you realize it was never about George Floyd.


with the behavior in chicago its probably about getting the reparations they were apparently so unjustly denied.
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Postby The Alma Mater » Tue Aug 11, 2020 10:32 am

Bear Stearns wrote:
The Alma Mater wrote:
Well, it probably is not entirely irrelevant. Considering the cop apparantly knew Floyd and his violent history, that Floyd was yelling he could not breathe well before any cop even touched him and that the team that arrested him was pretty multiracial one can wonder if Floyd truly was the best posterchild for the anti-police protests.

Especially when so many other examples exist...


You would think this. Why make Floyd the martyr? It's confusing.

But then you realize it was never about George Floyd.


True. But they made him the posterchild. And that was a silly choice, as evidenced by the fact that even now people are describing him as a criminal that deserved it.
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