US Anti-Police Protests and Riots Thread II

[Loben III]

To note though, it started of being not entirely unreasonable, but then deteriorated into nonsense-“I don’t care if someone decides to loot a Gucci or a Macy’s or a Nike store, because that makes sure that person eats,” said Ariel Atkins, a BLM organizer, according to NBC Chicago. “That makes sure that person has clothes.” “That is reparations,” Atkins continued. “Anything they wanted to take, they can take it because these businesses have insurance.”

The second part is manifestly more problematic.

You white folk have home owners insurance. Just stand aside why we get our reparations.

and then for no reason at all, people have racist thoughts and act on them....

[Des-Bal]

To note though, it started of being not entirely unreasonable, but then deteriorated into nonsense-“I don’t care if someone decides to loot a Gucci or a Macy’s or a Nike store, because that makes sure that person eats,” said Ariel Atkins, a BLM organizer, according to NBC Chicago. “That makes sure that person has clothes.” “That is reparations,” Atkins continued. “Anything they wanted to take, they can take it because these businesses have insurance.”

The second part is manifestly more problematic.

No, fuck that. I care if someone decides to loot full stop.

and theyre not going to be forced too because its what they want.

I meant by outsiders specifically. If BLM is held accountable at large then we will see people distance themselves, if they are not we will not.

[Upper Nan]

Because mercenaries are just hired thugs with a fancy name. Might as well bring in the Bloods or the Hell's Angels as "security." It's the same shit.

so? chances are they dont need to have a pension paid for by the City AND they are cheaper by the dozen.

its the future of policing i say, a step forward!

If that's the logic you're going by, why even hire mercs at all? Just give a bunch of rednecks guns and let them do it. They'll shoot just as many people and they'll do it for free!

Black Lives Matter organizer on looting: “That is reparations. Anything they wanted to take, they can take it because these businesses have insurance.”

I hope the movement distances itself from such elements - it’s not good for the movement to have violence and theft as a logical result of its principles.

To note though, it started of being not entirely unreasonable, but then deteriorated into nonsense-“I don’t care if someone decides to loot a Gucci or a Macy’s or a Nike store, because that makes sure that person eats,” said Ariel Atkins, a BLM organizer, according to NBC Chicago. “That makes sure that person has clothes.” “That is reparations,” Atkins continued. “Anything they wanted to take, they can take it because these businesses have insurance.”

The second part is manifestly more problematic.

I mean, the first part's pretty fucking problematic, too. I understand that desperation can make people do unfortunate things, but she's actively encouraging people to break the law and justifying it as "reparations" (which is also problematic in itself).

[-Astoria-]

Whether they do or do not distance themselves is going to be dictated by whether or not they are forced to.

and theyre not going to be forced too because its what they want.

haha funny

[Loben III]

To note though, it started of being not entirely unreasonable, but then deteriorated into nonsense-“I don’t care if someone decides to loot a Gucci or a Macy’s or a Nike store, because that makes sure that person eats,” said Ariel Atkins, a BLM organizer, according to NBC Chicago. “That makes sure that person has clothes.” “That is reparations,” Atkins continued. “Anything they wanted to take, they can take it because these businesses have insurance.”

The second part is manifestly more problematic.

No, fuck that. I care if someone decides to loot full stop.

and theyre not going to be forced too because its what they want.

I meant by outsiders specifically. If BLM is held accountable at large then we will see people distance themselves, if they are not we will not.

do you really think they are going to be held accountable when they can throw up the "De-centralized" excuse?

[Des-Bal]

do you really think they are going to be held accountable when they can throw up the "De-centralized" excuse?

An excuse is as effective as it's permitted to be.

[Loben III]

so? chances are they dont need to have a pension paid for by the City AND they are cheaper by the dozen.

its the future of policing i say, a step forward!

If that's the logic you're going by, why even hire mercs at all? Just give a bunch of rednecks guns and let them do it. They'll shoot just as many people and they'll do it for free!

Mercs tend to be a tad bit more respectable then bob with his 12 gauge.

[Kowani]

To note though, it started of being not entirely unreasonable, but then deteriorated into nonsense-“I don’t care if someone decides to loot a Gucci or a Macy’s or a Nike store, because that makes sure that person eats,” said Ariel Atkins, a BLM organizer, according to NBC Chicago. “That makes sure that person has clothes.” “That is reparations,” Atkins continued. “Anything they wanted to take, they can take it because these businesses have insurance.”

The second part is manifestly more problematic.

What next ?
"You white folk have home owners insurance. Just stand aside why we get our reparations."

Yes, this would be the problematic part. Though it should be noted that they only specified corporations, and not, say, local businesses, which would indicate that they may find it problematic if local businesses became the target instead of Sweatshop Footwear Nike.

[Loben III]

do you really think they are going to be held accountable when they can throw up the "De-centralized" excuse?

An excuse is as effective as it's permitted to be.

from where im standing its permitted by the Journalist class to be very much effective.

[Upper Nan]

If that's the logic you're going by, why even hire mercs at all? Just give a bunch of rednecks guns and let them do it. They'll shoot just as many people and they'll do it for free!

Mercs tend to be a tad bit more respectable then bob with his 12 gauge.

And police tend to be a tad bit more respectable than hired goons, so what's your point?

[Kowani]

I mean, the first part's pretty fucking problematic, too. I understand that desperation can make people do unfortunate things, but she's actively encouraging people to break the law and justifying it as "reparations" (which is also problematic in itself).

Oh, yeah, that's also true. That said, I would note the difference between "endorse breaking the law" and "I don't care", and I think the latter is better.

[Loben III]

Mercs tend to be a tad bit more respectable then bob with his 12 gauge.

And police tend to be a tad bit more respectable than hired goons, so what's your point?

*not in this media climate*

[Upper Nan]

What next ?
"You white folk have home owners insurance. Just stand aside why we get our reparations."

Yes, this would be the problematic part. Though it should be noted that they only specified corporations, and not, say, local businesses, which would indicate that they may find it problematic if local businesses became the target instead of Sweatshop Footwear Nike.

Sure, but what's to stop someone from carrying this line of reasoning to aforementioned local businesses? Or, for that matter, people's homes? I'm typically of the opinion that slippery slope arguments are fallacious ~99% of the time, but this is one of the rare instances where I think it's valid (maybe not so much homes, as it's different enough that justification would be harder, but going from larger corporations to smaller businesses isn't a huge stretch--especially once you've successfully looted all the corporations in the immediate vicinity).

[Bear Stearns]

Black Lives Matter organizer on looting: “That is reparations. Anything they wanted to take, they can take it because these businesses have insurance.”

I hope the movement distances itself from such elements - it’s not good for the movement to have violence and theft as a logical result of its principles.

It was never about George Floyd nor Confederate statues.

[Kowani]

Yes, this would be the problematic part. Though it should be noted that they only specified corporations, and not, say, local businesses, which would indicate that they may find it problematic if local businesses became the target instead of Sweatshop Footwear Nike.

Sure, but what's to stop someone from carrying this line of reasoning to aforementioned local businesses? Or, for that matter, people's homes? I'm typically of the opinion that slippery slope arguments are fallacious ~99% of the time, but this is one of the rare instances where I think it's valid (maybe not so much homes, as it's different enough that justification would be harder, but going from larger corporations to smaller businesses isn't a huge stretch--especially once you've successfully looted all the corporations in the immediate vicinity).

Well, the way corporations and small businesses interact with the community is different, on both a cultural and economic level, so they're not seen as the same thing.

(There's a few looters who don't care, but these people weren't going to be justifying anything anyway, so...)

[Bear Stearns]

Sure, but what's to stop someone from carrying this line of reasoning to aforementioned local businesses? Or, for that matter, people's homes? I'm typically of the opinion that slippery slope arguments are fallacious ~99% of the time, but this is one of the rare instances where I think it's valid (maybe not so much homes, as it's different enough that justification would be harder, but going from larger corporations to smaller businesses isn't a huge stretch--especially once you've successfully looted all the corporations in the immediate vicinity).

Well, the way corporations and small businesses interact with the community is different, on both a cultural and economic level, so they're not seen as the same thing.

(There's a few looters who don't care, but these people weren't going to be justifying anything anyway, so...)

"a few"

[Loben III]

Black Lives Matter organizer on looting: “That is reparations. Anything they wanted to take, they can take it because these businesses have insurance.”

I hope the movement distances itself from such elements - it’s not good for the movement to have violence and theft as a logical result of its principles.

It was never about George Floyd nor Confederate statues.

George Floyd the lovable gentle Drug addled giant.

waitaminute.

[Genivaria]

Offer to have the $60 million dollars in property damage removed from the reparations count and watch this shit get called out quick by groups like the NAACP.
Call their bluff.

[Valrifell]

It was never about George Floyd nor Confederate statues.

George Floyd the lovable gentle Drug addled giant.

waitaminute.

The notorious crime punishable by death, doing the drugs.

Ah, and only if it were only George Floyd.

[Upper Nan]

I mean, the first part's pretty fucking problematic, too. I understand that desperation can make people do unfortunate things, but she's actively encouraging people to break the law and justifying it as "reparations" (which is also problematic in itself).

Oh, yeah, that's also true. That said, I would note the difference between "endorse breaking the law" and "I don't care", and I think the latter is better.

Maybe, maybe not, but I'd say this particular situation qualifies as at least a soft endorsement of law-breaking. Providing post hoc justifications is a means of endorsing actions.

And police tend to be a tad bit more respectable than hired goons, so what's your point?

*not in this media climate*

There are plenty of people who still respect the police. People are definitely more critical of them now (which is a good thing), but it's not like everyone just flipped to being anarchists over night and decided the police should go away forever (Minneapolis notwithstanding). Regardless, even given the current climate, you'd still have a hard time convincing most people (who aren't already sympathetic to some kind of right-libertarian ideology) that hired guns is a step up from city-employed police. Most people are still far more willing to trust police than some random merc who has zero ties to, or responsibility for, the area they're now in charge of policing.

[Genivaria]

George Floyd the lovable gentle Drug addled giant.

waitaminute.

The notorious crime punishable by death, doing the drugs.

Or being a big guy while black, terrible crime.

[Valrifell]

Black Lives Matter organizer on looting: “That is reparations. Anything they wanted to take, they can take it because these businesses have insurance.”

I hope the movement distances itself from such elements - it’s not good for the movement to have violence and theft as a logical result of its principles.

It was never about George Floyd nor Confederate statues.

It was about you, I guess.

[Upper Nan]

George Floyd the lovable gentle Drug addled giant.

waitaminute.

The notorious crime punishable by death, doing the drugs.

Ah, and only if it were only George Floyd.

Yes, for you see, murder is okay as long as I don't like the person who got murdered.

[Loben III]

George Floyd the lovable gentle Drug addled giant.

waitaminute.

The notorious crime punishable by death, doing the drugs.

Ah, and only if it were only George Floyd.

didnt he also assault a pregnant woman?

[Vassenor]

It was never about George Floyd nor Confederate statues.

George Floyd the lovable gentle Drug addled giant.

waitaminute.

And that has what to do with anything aside from desperately fishing for an excuse for the police officer crushing his windpipe with his knee for the crime of being accused of unknowingly passing an alleged fake $20?