US Anti-Police Protests and Riots Thread II

[Des-Bal]

When every bullet is lodged in a man's back, it shouldn't really be a debate that a crime was committed and it wasn't self defense. The only debate should be whether it was second or first degree murder.

That's absurd. He was standing behind a man with a gun. It's not self defense because the guy was quite clearly putting the gun down, not because of where he was standing.

[Vassenor]

The ones who it is all about in the US, the black people have told their opinion. They clearly don’t want any defunding:

81% of black people want the same amount or more policing in their neighborhoods, which breaks down to 61% wanting the police presence to stay the same and 20% saying they would like an increased police presence.

If whites now start defunding, they do it for some stupid unknown reason and not for the black people.

This is what we call "identify politics". This video sums it up: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ev373c7wSRg&t

Notice how they push for defunding the police but won't push for the end of actual harmful practices, such as ending the horrific War on Drugs. How about the ridiculous sentencing laws for drug crimes? How about how difficult it is for released convicts to actually re-enter society? THESE are the problems neither side addresses, yet both sides claim they aim "to help".

It sickens me

So why do I keep seeing pushes for drug legalisation and sentences being overturned?

[Greed and Death]

This is what we call "identify politics". This video sums it up: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ev373c7wSRg&t

Notice how they push for defunding the police but won't push for the end of actual harmful practices, such as ending the horrific War on Drugs. How about the ridiculous sentencing laws for drug crimes? How about how difficult it is for released convicts to actually re-enter society? THESE are the problems neither side addresses, yet both sides claim they aim "to help".

It sickens me

So why do I keep seeing pushes for drug legalisation and sentences being overturned?

Those are the Libertarians.

[-Ra-]

The ones who it is all about in the US, the black people have told their opinion. They clearly don’t want any defunding:

81% of black people want the same amount or more policing in their neighborhoods, which breaks down to 61% wanting the police presence to stay the same and 20% saying they would like an increased police presence.

If whites now start defunding, they do it for some stupid unknown reason and not for the black people.

I'm sure the Left will respond to this by saying that black people don't actually know what's good for them and that they, the Left, actually know what's best for black people. Kind of sounds like something...

Of course, the Left doesn't actually care about minorities. It only cares about them to fulfill a particular social agenda.

[Vassenor]

The ones who it is all about in the US, the black people have told their opinion. They clearly don’t want any defunding:

81% of black people want the same amount or more policing in their neighborhoods, which breaks down to 61% wanting the police presence to stay the same and 20% saying they would like an increased police presence.

If whites now start defunding, they do it for some stupid unknown reason and not for the black people.

I'm sure the Left will respond to this by saying that black people don't actually know what's good for them and that they, the Left, actually know what's best for black people. Kind of sounds like something...

Of course, the Left doesn't actually care about minorities. It only cares about them to fulfill a particular social agenda.

[citation needed]

[Borderlands of Rojava]

The ones who it is all about in the US, the black people have told their opinion. They clearly don’t want any defunding:

81% of black people want the same amount or more policing in their neighborhoods, which breaks down to 61% wanting the police presence to stay the same and 20% saying they would like an increased police presence.

If whites now start defunding, they do it for some stupid unknown reason and not for the black people.

Black people can have whatever opinion they want. But imo if the police can't do the job right, we gotta hit the department where it hurts in their funding.

[Des-Bal]

Black people can have whatever opinion they want. But imo if the police can't do the job right, we gotta hit the department where it hurts in their funding.

Great logic, if you're not satisfied with a runner's performance break their legs until they improve.

[Borderlands of Rojava]

Black people can have whatever opinion they want. But imo if the police can't do the job right, we gotta hit the department where it hurts in their funding.

Great logic, if you're not satisfied with a runner's performance break their legs until they improve.

Okay then what do you wanna do? Because so far giving cops more military equipment isn't helping the situation at all.

[Uiiop]

The ones who it is all about in the US, the black people have told their opinion. They clearly don’t want any defunding:

81% of black people want the same amount or more policing in their neighborhoods, which breaks down to 61% wanting the police presence to stay the same and 20% saying they would like an increased police presence.

If whites now start defunding, they do it for some stupid unknown reason and not for the black people.

You assume that the amount of policing is inherently tied to funding in black people's minds. That's quite unproven.
Defunding arguments are based not on having less but to encourage organizations to act more efficiently. Defunding isn't supposed to make the police go away. It's supposed to make the police accoutanble and enagaged in their communites.

Besides how the hell does your conclusion square with polls showing blacks are the only one who wants this?

A majority of black Americans support the movement to "defund the police," (57%) and putting the money towards other community programs (64%), a departure from the other groups. Support among blacks for the "defund the police" movement is more than double that of whites (26%), and black Americans are nearly twice as likely as whites (33%) to back key tenets of the movement. An equal 42% of Hispanics support both.

[Des-Bal]

Okay then what do you wanna do? Because so far giving cops more military equipment isn't helping the situation at all.

Increase wages, up testing requirements, identify areas where a police response is not necessary and areas where it is not sufficient then use social workers as an alternative or as a supplement. Further, address the areas of greatest insecurity and peril to officers and present solutions to enable them to make decision with less fear and risk of death. While you're at it identify the most effective means of integrating police into the communities they serve so their presence when required is not viewed as an invasion.

[Asardia]

This is what we call "identify politics". This video sums it up: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ev373c7wSRg&t

Notice how they push for defunding the police but won't push for the end of actual harmful practices, such as ending the horrific War on Drugs. How about the ridiculous sentencing laws for drug crimes? How about how difficult it is for released convicts to actually re-enter society? THESE are the problems neither side addresses, yet both sides claim they aim "to help".

It sickens me

So why do I keep seeing pushes for drug legalisation and sentences being overturned?

These pushes are focusing on marijuana. My post was about the total elimination of the war. Sentences being overturned isn't synonymous with an outright reduction in the sentence. But here's my points

1: Is the call for the end of the War on Drugs (not just the legalisation of weed) a major policy point for politicians? Particularly those openly in support of BLM?
2: Are those sentences being overturned part of a process to reduce the overall time for the crime? For example, instead of having, say, 8 years for drug possesion, now it's only 2, or none?
3: It's still illegal to hold weed on a federal level, but the states legalized it. Theoretically, the feds could prosecute someone for marijuana possession even if their state decriminalized it.

[Uiiop]

So why do I keep seeing pushes for drug legalisation and sentences being overturned?

These pushes are focusing on marijuana. My post was about the total elimination of the war. Sentences being overturned isn't synonymous with an outright reduction in the sentence. But here's my points

1: Is the call for the end of the War on Drugs (not just the legalisation of weed) a major policy point for politicians? Particularly those openly in support of BLM?
2: Are those sentences being overturned part of a process to reduce the overall time for the crime? For example, instead of having, say, 8 years for drug possesion, now it's only 2, or none?
3: It's still illegal to hold weed on a federal level, but the states legalized it. Theoretically, the feds could prosecute someone for marijuana possession even if their state decriminalized it.

what the politicians say and what people on the streets want are for the most part completely different but for the most in sync i'd say so: https://www.marijuanamoment.net/aoc-cal ... all-drugs/
Otherwise it's kinda a shitty metric for what the movement really wants when most politicians who say they support it don't agree with their solutions on the main issues.

[Asardia]

These pushes are focusing on marijuana. My post was about the total elimination of the war. Sentences being overturned isn't synonymous with an outright reduction in the sentence. But here's my points

1: Is the call for the end of the War on Drugs (not just the legalisation of weed) a major policy point for politicians? Particularly those openly in support of BLM?
2: Are those sentences being overturned part of a process to reduce the overall time for the crime? For example, instead of having, say, 8 years for drug possesion, now it's only 2, or none?
3: It's still illegal to hold weed on a federal level, but the states legalized it. Theoretically, the feds could prosecute someone for marijuana possession even if their state decriminalized it.

what the politicians say and what people on the streets want are for the most part completely different but for the most in sync i'd say so: https://www.marijuanamoment.net/aoc-cal ... all-drugs/
Otherwise it's kinda a shitty metric for what the movement really wants when most politicians who say they support it don't agree with their solutions on the main issues.

From that link, it seems AOC is pretty much isolated in wanting to end the war on drugs. The Democrat's current nominee opposes doing it at all.

[Uiiop]

what the politicians say and what people on the streets want are for the most part completely different but for the most in sync i'd say so: https://www.marijuanamoment.net/aoc-cal ... all-drugs/
Otherwise it's kinda a shitty metric for what the movement really wants when most politicians who say they support it don't agree with their solutions on the main issues.

From that link, it seems AOC is pretty much isolated in wanting to end the war on drugs. The Democrat's current nominee opposes doing it at all.

No shit. What the movement wants is pretty much mostly isolated from what democratic politicians want.

[Aureumterra]

So according to the new body cam footage, Floyd was saying "I can’t breathe" before the knee to the neck?

[Stellar Colonies]

So according to the new body cam footage, Floyd was saying "I can’t breathe" before the knee to the neck?

You are referring to the footage in this video?

Not a source I like, but at least they are showing more footage than other sources.

[Des-Bal]

So according to the new body cam footage, Floyd was saying "I can’t breathe" before the knee to the neck?

Floyd was stating that he couldn't breathe prior to leaving the car, he also suggested he lie on the ground rather than get into a police car and that he would be claustrophobic in a police car while he suffered no such phobia in his own vehicle.

I don't think it changes much. You can't put someone on the ground and your knee on their back, we know this is not good. Let's assume that Floyd would have been 100% okay if he didn't have any drugs in his system- The police should expect to be dealing with people who have drugs in their system.

[Nobel Hobos 2]

So according to the new body cam footage, Floyd was saying "I can’t breathe" before the knee to the neck?

Floyd was stating that he couldn't breathe prior to leaving the car, he also suggested he lie on the ground rather than get into a police car and that he would be claustrophobic in a police car while he suffered no such phobia in his own vehicle.

His own car was a "truck" which he drove with the window open. I also think being physically pushed into a small space, causing a sense of being trapped there, would be more likely to trigger claustrophobia. Loud noises, smells and being partly restrained, could all contribute.

I don't think it changes much. You can't put someone on the ground and your knee on their back, we know this is not good. Let's assume that Floyd would have been 100% okay if he didn't have any drugs in his system- The police should expect to be dealing with people who have drugs in their system.

I don't think it changes much either.

Given how long this took to come out I think doubt could be cast that it was doctored. Faking the soundtrack is much much easier than faking the video. At least that should deter the defense from going after the veracity of citizen videos.

[Galloism]

More riots in Chicago tonight.

https://www.newsweek.com/what-happened- ... ce-1524053

Naturally the rich folks raised the bridges to protect themselves from the chaos unfolding night after night.

https://twitter.com/ViNguyen/status/129 ... go-1523992

Reports from a friend in Chicago are that there is more rioting tonight.

Maybe they'll bring in more unaccountable private security forces using no-bid emergency contracts again.

[Upper Nan]

More riots in Chicago tonight.

https://www.newsweek.com/what-happened- ... ce-1524053

Naturally the rich folks raised the bridges to protect themselves from the chaos unfolding night after night.

https://twitter.com/ViNguyen/status/129 ... go-1523992

Reports from a friend in Chicago are that there is more rioting tonight.

Maybe they'll bring in more unaccountable private security forces using no-bid emergency contracts again.

I mean, should the rich not want to protect themselves? Doubt they'd like to be robbed.

The private contractors is a dumb idea, though. Can't imagine a scenario where that goes well for anyone involved.

[Des-Bal]

More riots in Chicago tonight.

https://www.newsweek.com/what-happened- ... ce-1524053

Naturally the rich folks raised the bridges to protect themselves from the chaos unfolding night after night.

https://twitter.com/ViNguyen/status/129 ... go-1523992

Reports from a friend in Chicago are that there is more rioting tonight.

Maybe they'll bring in more unaccountable private security forces using no-bid emergency contracts again.

I mean, yeah absolutely do that. By what logic is it a moral choice to say "I would rather riots threaten my life and property than take any step to avoid that"? I sympathize with protesters, I disagree with but understand rioters, if you attack my home I am going to shoot you.

[Galloism]

The damage in Minneapolis from the riots is apparently so extensive it took us almost two months to find a man who was apparently burned alive in the riot.

The arson took place on May 28 - we found the body on July 20.

[Des-Bal]

The damage in Minneapolis from the riots is apparently so extensive it took us almost two months to find a man who was apparently burned alive in the riot.

The arson took place on May 28 - we found the body on July 20.

Wow, fuck those rich people for raising the bridges.

[Neanderthaland]

The damage in Minneapolis from the riots is apparently so extensive it took us almost two months to find a man who was apparently burned alive in the riot.

The arson took place on May 28 - we found the body on July 20.

I'd put this more down to negligence. Or maybe the building not being properly investigated due to covid?

The damage on Lake street, well... it's not nothing, but it's not sooo extensive they couldn't have combed through it by now. I've driven through there a few times, and aside from there still being a lot of heavily decorated plywood and a very noticeable burned down Arbys and liquor store, it's not in that bad of shape.

[Galloism]

The damage in Minneapolis from the riots is apparently so extensive it took us almost two months to find a man who was apparently burned alive in the riot.

The arson took place on May 28 - we found the body on July 20.

Wow, fuck those rich people for raising the bridges.

Rather, their insular structure lets them support bad policies that cause crime and suffering while erecting a literal moat around themselves, insulating themselves from the consequences of what they support.

I don’t blame them for raising the bridges. I blame them for supporting the suffering of others while insulating themselves from it.