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Are the police racist?

Yes
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No
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Other (explain below)
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Postby Borderlands of Rojava » Sat Aug 08, 2020 1:38 pm

Greed and Death wrote:https://ktla.com/news/nationworld/blm-protesters-in-utah-face-criminal-mischief-charges-with-potential-life-sentence/

BLM protesters are looking at life sentences.


Facing life for throwing paint on a sign? Is this the United States of Singapore?
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Postby Loben III » Sat Aug 08, 2020 1:43 pm

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Greed and Death wrote:https://ktla.com/news/nationworld/blm-protesters-in-utah-face-criminal-mischief-charges-with-potential-life-sentence/

BLM protesters are looking at life sentences.


Facing life for throwing paint on a sign? Is this the United States of Singapore?


what sign was it?
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Postby Greed and Death » Sat Aug 08, 2020 2:10 pm

Loben III wrote:
Borderlands of Rojava wrote:
Facing life for throwing paint on a sign? Is this the United States of Singapore?


what sign was it?

Back the blue.
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Postby Loben III » Sat Aug 08, 2020 2:10 pm

Greed and Death wrote:
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what sign was it?

Back the blue.


vandalism at the least tbh.
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Postby Greed and Death » Sat Aug 08, 2020 2:27 pm

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Greed and Death wrote:Back the blue.


vandalism at the least tbh.


In actuality it was the Prosecutor's office. If you wanted the book thrown at you for vandalism this is how to get it.
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Postby Loben III » Sat Aug 08, 2020 2:30 pm

Greed and Death wrote:
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vandalism at the least tbh.


In actuality it was the Prosecutor's office. If you wanted the book thrown at you for vandalism this is how to get it.


ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha
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Postby Nuroblav » Sat Aug 08, 2020 2:43 pm

Greed and Death wrote:https://ktla.com/news/nationworld/blm-protesters-in-utah-face-criminal-mischief-charges-with-potential-life-sentence/

BLM protesters are looking at life sentences.

That page seems to be blocked where I am :lol:
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Postby Vassenor » Sat Aug 08, 2020 2:51 pm

Life in prison for throwing paint. Totally proportional and not at all authoritarian.
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Postby Loben III » Sat Aug 08, 2020 2:51 pm

Vassenor wrote:Life in prison for throwing paint. Totally proportional and not at all authoritarian.


at a prosecutors office.
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Postby Vassenor » Sat Aug 08, 2020 3:01 pm

Loben III wrote:
Vassenor wrote:Life in prison for throwing paint. Totally proportional and not at all authoritarian.


at a prosecutors office.


And?
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Postby Loben III » Sat Aug 08, 2020 3:03 pm

Vassenor wrote:
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at a prosecutors office.


And?


annoying the prosecutor is a real good way to get the book thrown at you.
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Postby Vassenor » Sat Aug 08, 2020 3:05 pm

Loben III wrote:
Vassenor wrote:
And?


And the maximum sentence that can be imposed for vandalism is a $10000 fine and/or up to 15 years inside.
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Postby Loben III » Sat Aug 08, 2020 3:06 pm

Vassenor wrote:
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And the maximum sentence that can be imposed for vandalism is a $10000 fine and/or up to 15 years inside.
annoying the prosecutor is a real good way to get the book thrown at you.


15 years sounds reasonable to the prosecutor.
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Postby Cordel One » Sat Aug 08, 2020 3:07 pm

Loben III wrote:
Vassenor wrote:
And?


annoying the prosecutor is a real good way to get the book thrown at you.

That doesn't justify it at all, it just proves prosecutors are too powerful.

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Postby Loben III » Sat Aug 08, 2020 3:07 pm

Cordel One wrote:
Loben III wrote:
annoying the prosecutor is a real good way to get the book thrown at you.

That doesn't justify it at all, it just proves prosecutors are too powerful.


and?
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Postby Cordel One » Sat Aug 08, 2020 3:08 pm

Loben III wrote:
Cordel One wrote:That doesn't justify it at all, it just proves prosecutors are too powerful.


and?

There is no and.

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Postby Loben III » Sat Aug 08, 2020 3:09 pm

Cordel One wrote:
Loben III wrote:
and?

There is no and.


how are they too powerful?

that they have the power to charge people?
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Postby Vassenor » Sat Aug 08, 2020 3:10 pm

Loben III wrote:
Cordel One wrote:There is no and.


how are they too powerful?

that they have the power to charge people?


That they can be completely vindictive in defiance of the law with impunity.
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Postby Loben III » Sat Aug 08, 2020 3:11 pm

Vassenor wrote:
Loben III wrote:
how are they too powerful?

that they have the power to charge people?


That they can be completely vindictive in defiance of the law with impunity.


Prosecutors have to be vindictive little cunts, part of the job.
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Postby Cordel One » Sat Aug 08, 2020 3:11 pm

Loben III wrote:
Cordel One wrote:There is no and.


how are they too powerful?

that they have the power to charge people?

That would be a "why" question, not an "and".

If you have the power to throw ridiculous sentences at people based on a personal grudge you have too much power.

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Postby Loben III » Sat Aug 08, 2020 3:12 pm

Cordel One wrote:
Loben III wrote:
how are they too powerful?

that they have the power to charge people?

That would be a "why" question, not an "and".

If you have the power to throw ridiculous sentences at people based on a personal grudge you have too much power.


oh im certain the prosecutor will recuse themselves....
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Postby Cordel One » Sat Aug 08, 2020 3:26 pm

Loben III wrote:
Cordel One wrote:That would be a "why" question, not an "and".

If you have the power to throw ridiculous sentences at people based on a personal grudge you have too much power.


oh im certain the prosecutor will recuse themselves....

That kinda proves my point.

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Postby Cannot think of a name » Sat Aug 08, 2020 4:10 pm

Loben III wrote:
Vassenor wrote:
That they can be completely vindictive in defiance of the law with impunity.


Prosecutors have to be vindictive little cunts, part of the job.

It really isn’t. Thinking it is goes to the core of our current problems.
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Postby Des-Bal » Sat Aug 08, 2020 6:30 pm

Vassenor wrote:Life in prison for throwing paint. Totally proportional and not at all authoritarian.


They're almost certainly not getting life. The issue is that criminal mischief over 5,000 is a second degree felony punishable by up to 15 years in prison. When you commit a second degree felony was part of a gang it becomes a first degree felony for which the maximum sentence is life.
If they're smart they'll try to make the case that their group was not a gang.

Under Utah law this would make them a gang.

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C and D going to come down to facts. If you kill this part they're still facing 15 years if the judge imposes the maximum sentence but I don't view it as especially likely and I would be totally shocked if a judge imposed life here.
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Postby Borderlands of Rojava » Sat Aug 08, 2020 6:48 pm

Loben III wrote:
Vassenor wrote:
And?


annoying the prosecutor is a real good way to get the book thrown at you.


If you push for someone to go to prison for life cause you don't like them, that's some pretty crooked shit for a prosecutor.
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