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Postby Nobel Hobos 2 » Thu Sep 17, 2020 4:01 am

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Officers requested a "heat ray" weapon for possible use against protesters in a park next to the White House in June, a National Guard major has testified.

Military police allegedly asked for the Active Denial System (ADS), which makes targets feel their skin is on fire.

It was before authorities cleared Lafayette Square of demonstrators on 1 June amid protests over the killing of black man George Floyd.

The National Guard did not possess the heat ray and it was not used.


In normal times this would warrant a thread all of its own. But this is Trump world.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-54187961


What idiot thought that was a good idea ... to build at all?

Oh. Raytheon.

Amusingly, a perfect defense against ADS microwaves is aluminium foil.
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Postby Greed and Death » Thu Sep 17, 2020 4:38 am

Nobel Hobos 2 wrote:
Fartsniffage wrote:
In normal times this would warrant a thread all of its own. But this is Trump world.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-54187961


What idiot thought that was a good idea ... to build at all?

Oh. Raytheon.

Amusingly, a perfect defense against ADS microwaves is aluminium foil.

So you mean the homeless guy with aluminum foil on his head was right ?
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Postby The New California Republic » Thu Sep 17, 2020 4:47 am

Fartsniffage wrote:
Officers requested a "heat ray" weapon for possible use against protesters in a park next to the White House in June, a National Guard major has testified.

Military police allegedly asked for the Active Denial System (ADS), which makes targets feel their skin is on fire.

It was before authorities cleared Lafayette Square of demonstrators on 1 June amid protests over the killing of black man George Floyd.

The National Guard did not possess the heat ray and it was not used.


In normal times this would warrant a thread all of its own. But this is Trump world.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-54187961

If it had been used then it likely would have resulted in a lot of questions being asked.
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Postby Greed and Death » Thu Sep 17, 2020 4:54 am

The New California Republic wrote:
Fartsniffage wrote:
In normal times this would warrant a thread all of its own. But this is Trump world.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-54187961

If it had been used then it likely would have resulted in a lot of questions being asked.


I put good money Trump is directing educational funds be purchased for that.
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Postby Salus Maior » Thu Sep 17, 2020 5:02 am

Fartsniffage wrote:
Officers requested a "heat ray" weapon for possible use against protesters in a park next to the White House in June, a National Guard major has testified.

Military police allegedly asked for the Active Denial System (ADS), which makes targets feel their skin is on fire.

It was before authorities cleared Lafayette Square of demonstrators on 1 June amid protests over the killing of black man George Floyd.

The National Guard did not possess the heat ray and it was not used.


In normal times this would warrant a thread all of its own. But this is Trump world.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-54187961


Yeah, that's been in development a while.

Tbf, it's probably a better form of non-lethal than rubber bullets.
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Postby Valrifell » Thu Sep 17, 2020 5:05 am

Salus Maior wrote:
Fartsniffage wrote:
In normal times this would warrant a thread all of its own. But this is Trump world.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-54187961


Yeah, that's been in development a while.

Tbf, it's probably a better form of non-lethal than rubber bullets.


Yeah but making someone feel like they're burning alive doesn't sound very ethical.
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Postby Salus Maior » Thu Sep 17, 2020 8:35 am

Valrifell wrote:
Salus Maior wrote:
Yeah, that's been in development a while.

Tbf, it's probably a better form of non-lethal than rubber bullets.


Yeah but making someone feel like they're burning alive doesn't sound very ethical.


As I understand it, it just compels people to move out of the way of the ray and there's no physical damage in the short term.

Now, I imagine if you continued to stand in the ray, there would eventually be some pretty bad burns. But I'm not an expert on that, it's been a long time since I heard anything about the device.

That being said, any kind of coerced riot control isn't really about how ethical it is, it's about how effective it is while also not doing permanent damage/causing death.
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Postby Ifreann » Thu Sep 17, 2020 8:41 am

Salus Maior wrote:
Valrifell wrote:
Yeah but making someone feel like they're burning alive doesn't sound very ethical.


As I understand it, it just compels people to move out of the way of the ray and there's no physical damage in the short term.

Now, I imagine if you continued to stand in the ray, there would eventually be some pretty bad burns. But I'm not an expert on that, it's been a long time since I heard anything about the device.

That being said, any kind of coerced riot control isn't really about how ethical it is, it's about how effective it is while also not doing permanent damage/causing death.

Making people think they're on fire sounds like a great way to cause the kind of panicked behaviour that gets people trampled.
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Postby Kowani » Thu Sep 17, 2020 8:43 am

Nobel Hobos 2 wrote:6. This complies well with my perception that judges (in particular) tend towards leniency when they find the written law too harsh, and towards harshness when they find the written law too lenient.

Note that in the US, when black men are involved or when an election is nearby, the trend is towards harshness regardless.
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Postby The Rich Port » Thu Sep 17, 2020 4:07 pm



When people talk about the benefits of bipartisanship... This isn't what people fucking talk about.

A Republican I get supporting this piece of shit bill but I want that Democrats' fucking golf budget served on a really dirty fucking platter. Preferably one that was served by someone who didn't wash their hands. And was digging through manure.
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Postby Aureumterra » Thu Sep 17, 2020 4:11 pm

The Rich Port wrote:


When people talk about the benefits of bipartisanship... This isn't what people fucking talk about.

A Republican I get supporting this piece of shit bill but I want that Democrats' fucking golf budget served on a really dirty fucking platter. Preferably one that was served by someone who didn't wash their hands. And was digging through manure.

What?
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Postby Loben III » Thu Sep 17, 2020 4:12 pm



For a state that made spreading HIV and sex with a child technically legal this is a really weird thing to do.
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Postby The Rich Port » Thu Sep 17, 2020 4:12 pm

Aureumterra wrote:
The Rich Port wrote:
When people talk about the benefits of bipartisanship... This isn't what people fucking talk about.

A Republican I get supporting this piece of shit bill but I want that Democrats' fucking golf budget served on a really dirty fucking platter. Preferably one that was served by someone who didn't wash their hands. And was digging through manure.

What?


You know I've noticed that your posting record seems to consist mostly of either very short sentences or single words that contribute nothing if at all to the thread.

Such a vital part of the forum you are. :roll:
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Postby Kowani » Thu Sep 17, 2020 4:15 pm

Loben III wrote:


For a state that made spreading HIV and sex with a child technically legal this is a really weird thing to do.

Ah, is it "twist facts to sound worse" day?

The Rich Port wrote:


When people talk about the benefits of bipartisanship... This isn't what people fucking talk about.

A Republican I get supporting this piece of shit bill but I want that Democrats' fucking golf budget served on a really dirty fucking platter. Preferably one that was served by someone who didn't wash their hands. And was digging through manure.

...Golf budget?
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Postby The Rich Port » Thu Sep 17, 2020 4:16 pm

Kowani wrote:
Loben III wrote:
For a state that made spreading HIV and sex with a child technically legal this is a really weird thing to do.

Ah, is it "twist facts to sound worse" day?

The Rich Port wrote:
When people talk about the benefits of bipartisanship... This isn't what people fucking talk about.

A Republican I get supporting this piece of shit bill but I want that Democrats' fucking golf budget served on a really dirty fucking platter. Preferably one that was served by someone who didn't wash their hands. And was digging through manure.

...Golf budget?


Yes, golf budget, AKA a big portion of the salary of hoity-toity well-to-do government stooges. -_-
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Postby Kowani » Thu Sep 17, 2020 4:17 pm

The Rich Port wrote:
Kowani wrote:Ah, is it "twist facts to sound worse" day?


...Golf budget?


Yes, golf budget, AKA a big portion of the salary of hoity-toity well-to-do government stooges. -_-

Ahhhhh.
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Postby The Rich Port » Thu Sep 17, 2020 4:23 pm

Kowani wrote:
The Rich Port wrote:
Yes, golf budget, AKA a big portion of the salary of hoity-toity well-to-do government stooges. -_-

Ahhhhh.


Looked into the dude's record. Jim Cooper, former Sheriff's captain.

Either misguided as hell, corrupt and in the pocket of police unions and/or more authoritarian elements in the government, or has open contempt for people who protest against police brutality.
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Postby Aureumterra » Thu Sep 17, 2020 4:24 pm

The Rich Port wrote:
Aureumterra wrote:What?


You know I've noticed that your posting record seems to consist mostly of either very short sentences or single words that contribute nothing if at all to the thread.

Such a vital part of the forum you are. :roll:

Okay?
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Postby The Rich Port » Thu Sep 17, 2020 4:27 pm

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For a state that made spreading HIV and sex with a child technically legal this is a really weird thing to do.


https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/fac ... 456171001/

That's just a straight up Q-Anon conspiracy hoax. Nice try.

I hear the adrenochrome market in California is booming, you gaiz. :roll:
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Postby Loben III » Thu Sep 17, 2020 4:29 pm

The Rich Port wrote:
Loben III wrote:
For a state that made spreading HIV and sex with a child technically legal this is a really weird thing to do.


https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/fac ... 456171001/

That's just a straight up Q-Anon conspiracy hoax. Nice try.

I hear the adrenochrome market in California is booming, you gaiz. :roll:


the what?
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Postby The Rich Port » Thu Sep 17, 2020 4:31 pm

Loben III wrote:
The Rich Port wrote:
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/fac ... 456171001/

That's just a straight up Q-Anon conspiracy hoax. Nice try.

I hear the adrenochrome market in California is booming, you gaiz. :roll:


the what?


Yeah, I figured you don't do any research before you say things, but I didn't think it was that bad.

https://www.thedailybeast.com/how-qanon ... -from-kids

Maybe research conspiracy hoaxes before you blindly and enthusiastically vomit them.
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Postby Loben III » Thu Sep 17, 2020 4:34 pm

The Rich Port wrote:
Loben III wrote:
the what?


Yeah, I figured you don't do any research before you say things, but I didn't think it was that bad.

https://www.thedailybeast.com/how-qanon ... -from-kids

Maybe research conspiracy hoaxes before you blindly and enthusiastically vomit them.


what does a bill that allows a ten year age gap between abuser and victim have to do with a conspiracy theory?

sounds like to me youre dodging....

interesting.
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Postby Salus Maior » Thu Sep 17, 2020 4:34 pm

Ifreann wrote:
Salus Maior wrote:
As I understand it, it just compels people to move out of the way of the ray and there's no physical damage in the short term.

Now, I imagine if you continued to stand in the ray, there would eventually be some pretty bad burns. But I'm not an expert on that, it's been a long time since I heard anything about the device.

That being said, any kind of coerced riot control isn't really about how ethical it is, it's about how effective it is while also not doing permanent damage/causing death.

Making people think they're on fire sounds like a great way to cause the kind of panicked behaviour that gets people trampled.


You can see how it works yourself.
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Postby Loben III » Thu Sep 17, 2020 4:35 pm

Salus Maior wrote:
Ifreann wrote:Making people think they're on fire sounds like a great way to cause the kind of panicked behaviour that gets people trampled.


You can see how it works yourself.


tbh if you stand in front of a heat ray for too long, you probably weren't that smart to begin with.
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