US Anti-Police Protests and Riots Thread II

[Kowani]

That...that's...not how guilt by association works...

Jesus mate, I just talked about bad optics.
You don't like police? Yeah. You have a hell of a right not to.
Celebrating their deaths, however, is directly counterproductive to what you want to see done.

Not if Rojava is an accelerationist and just wants shit to burn.

He lives in Detroit, iirc, shit's been burning.

[Fahran]

The mental gymnastics the left does to cover up for their friends who kill police and Trump supporters is absurd

It logically follows from the more radical assumptions about society and praxis that some folks draw. My principal objections are that systemic violence in the United States is not presently at the level where violent revolutionary action is morally justified and that we have more optimal and moral solutions for addressing the problem - specifically racial disparities that are unjust.

But I have said it many times but we on the right should not be "supporting" the police in their current militarized state, because the minute a communist or socialist comes to power, the police will be able to genocide "enemies of the state" (that is us) like Mao did in China which forced my family to flee back then.

The police, even in their current state, are not well-equipped to address a large-scale, concerted uprising. They can deal with riots well enough and can suppress less organized or less numerous resistance with ease. They'd be in trouble if multiple militias came out of the projects or the pines though. They're largely fortunate that democracy provides a pressure valve and that people believe reform within the system is possible. But, yeah, the police shouldn't be killing unarmed people to the extent that they do. Hence reforms being necessary.

Everyone thought that China would never become communist back then as well, but look where we are now

That was a civil war. Which, on another note, is why revolution and civil wars aren't usually a good idea unless every other alternative has been exhausted. You don't always know who will wind up on top. And people will die in the hundreds of thousands if it drags on more than a year.

[Gig em Aggies]

Not if Rojava is an accelerationist and just wants shit to burn.

He lives in Detroit, iirc, shit's been burning.

That's if there's anything left in Detroit to burn, even having all of the pro teams the tigers, lions, red wings, and pistons Detroit still cant be saved unless we make a call to OCP

[Nobel Hobos 2]

They merely dared to exist.

*Nod Nod*

They dared to be part of a department in which a culture of violence and abuse existed and were complicit in said culture. Ever heard of guilt by association?

Let me be the tenth or so to condemn that opinion. You seem to think you're fighting in a war, so anyone wearing the wrong uniform can be shot at without warning.

Do not act on that attitude unless you plan on continuing your advocacy among the most powerless people there are: felons.

[FutureAmerica]

Are the police racist in the US, Yes.
Are criminals in the US racist? Yes.

It's racists vs racists in the US.

[Kowani]

The father of a special needs teenager killed by the shootings in CHOP has sued Seattle, Washington State, and King County for 1 Billion each.

[Cannot think of a name]

Are the police racist in the US, Yes.
Are criminals in the US racist? Yes.

It's racists vs racists in the US.

Problem being is it’s also “police vs some dude in the passenger seat of a car with a broken taillight.

[The Rich Port]

The father of a special needs teenager killed by the shootings in CHOP has sued Seattle, Washington State, and King County for 1 Billion each.

I dunno if $3 billion is a good estimate but thems the cruel mathematics of a dead child, I guess.

[Vassenor]

They dared to be part of a department in which a culture of violence and abuse existed and were complicit in said culture. Ever heard of guilt by association?

I hope I never live in an echo chamber long enough to become completely devoid of empathy for other humans. End of the day, they did nothing wrong. They joined the police likely because they wanted to protect their communities, and the actions of less than a percent of cops does not define the force as a whole. I'm no bootlicker, but to advocate for the deaths of those who themselves did nothing is asinine

If it's such a small minority causing trouble, why has no one gotten rid of them from the service?

[Washington Resistance Army]

The father of a special needs teenager killed by the shootings in CHOP has sued Seattle, Washington State, and King County for 1 Billion each.

I doubt he's gonna get 3 billion but either way I hope he takes the state for a fucking ride.

[The Alma Mater]

Are the police racist in the US, Yes.
Are criminals in the US racist? Yes.

It's racists vs racists in the US.

Of course, not all racists are equal. Someone who says "white boys can't jump" is racist. Someone who gleefully empties his gun in a black person whenever he gets the chance is also racist. But while both are racists, they are not the same.

[Nobel Hobos 2]

I hope I never live in an echo chamber long enough to become completely devoid of empathy for other humans. End of the day, they did nothing wrong. They joined the police likely because they wanted to protect their communities, and the actions of less than a percent of cops does not define the force as a whole. I'm no bootlicker, but to advocate for the deaths of those who themselves did nothing is asinine

If it's such a small minority causing trouble, why has no one gotten rid of them from the service?

Getting rid of them would be far less than they deserve. Those that committed crimes should be prosecuted.

Those who knew of the crimes, and said and did nothing. They're the ones who have to leave the service.

Furthermore, cops who are fired for misconduct should stay fired. They should go on a register with all their details and work history, and any other police hiring should have to check their applicant isn't on the register.

The time that they're fired probably isn't the best time to add cops to the register. Their CO might sympathetically "forget" to add them. So, maybe all cops should go on the register with a clean record, when they're done training and become cadets. This would however require the register be strictly available to senior police: there's no justification for making honest police void their privacy to the public, indeed it could put them at risk.

[Thermodolia]

They dared to be part of a department in which a culture of violence and abuse existed and were complicit in said culture. Ever heard of guilt by association?

That...that's...not how guilt by association works...

Jesus mate, I just talked about bad optics.
You don't like police? Yeah. You have a hell of a right not to.
Celebrating their deaths, however, is directly counterproductive to what you want to see done.

Ya celebration of police deaths is not going to help anyone and further enforces the “us vs them” mentality that so many police have

[Celritannia]

That...that's...not how guilt by association works...

oh the bad cops and the good cops are on a bad police department, so they are all bad cops, lol.

If the good cops refuse to report the bad cops within their precinct, then they are guilty by association.

[Celritannia]

Black Lives Matter Blue Lives Matter and All Lives Matter.

Watch this anti Cop guy jump on top of the front of the Police car and fall from the back of the Police car:

Scroll down to the 2nd video, scroll down to the 3rd video to see the result.

https://www.redstate.com/bonchie/2020/0 ... egrets-it/

GMS.

Saying blue lives or all lives matter removes the continuous problem of the systematic racism by police officers who tend to use more brutish tactics against black citizens of the community

Yes it is wrong for people to laugh and cheer at the harming of police officers, but denying the major problems black people face, which is why these protests happened, then you fail to understand the systemic problems.

[Ifreann]

The LASD are no angels.

Most people aren't angels. It still isn't right to take joy from their deaths or the prospect of their deaths when, to your knowledge, they're innocent of actual wrong-doing. Just like people with criminal records shouldn't be killed without due process. It's a matter of justice and ethics.

But when the cops kill people without due process, this line is trotted out in their defence all the time.

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The LASD are no angels.

What did those two officers do, specifically?

What did Andres Guardado do, specifically?

[Greed and Death]

Most people aren't angels. It still isn't right to take joy from their deaths or the prospect of their deaths when, to your knowledge, they're innocent of actual wrong-doing. Just like people with criminal records shouldn't be killed without due process. It's a matter of justice and ethics.

But when the cops kill people without due process, this line is trotted out in their defence all the time.

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What did those two officers do, specifically?

What did Andres Guardado do, specifically?

We will never know as the officers turned off their body cameras.

[Nobel Hobos 2]

But when the cops kill people without due process, this line is trotted out in their defence all the time.

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What did Andres Guardado do, specifically?

We will never know as the officers turned off their body cameras.

I'm working on a design for a new body camera. It incorporates a taser to discourage officers from trying to turn it off!

[Greed and Death]

We will never know as the officers turned off their body cameras.

I'm working on a design for a new body camera. It incorporates a taser to discourage officers from trying to turn it off!

Stay right there Officers are coming to inspect your design. I assure you their turning off of their body cameras is just a formality for all inventors trying to make their lives better.

[Fartsniffage]

The father of a special needs teenager killed by the shootings in CHOP has sued Seattle, Washington State, and King County for 1 Billion each.

I dunno if $3 billion is a good estimate but thems the cruel mathematics of a dead child, I guess.

It's like this. A dead plaintiff is rarely worth as much as a living, severely-maimed plaintiff. However, if it's a long slow agonizing death, as opposed to a quick drowning or car wreck, the value can rise considerably. A dead adult in his 20s is generally worth less than one who is middle aged. A dead woman less than a dead man. A single adult less than one who's married. Black less than white. Poor less than rich. The perfect victim is a white male professional, 40 years old, at the height of his earning power, struck down in his prime. And the most imperfect? Well, in the calculus of personal injury law, a dead child is worth the least of all.

[Ifreann]

But when the cops kill people without due process, this line is trotted out in their defence all the time.

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What did Andres Guardado do, specifically?

We will never know as the officers turned off their body cameras.

Strange how differently its taken when the police shoot someone compared to when the police are shot.

[Loben III]

We will never know as the officers turned off their body cameras.

Strange how differently its taken when the police shoot someone compared to when the police are shot.

Sounds like you’re trying to justify someone shooting cops.

[Borderlands of Rojava]

That...that's...not how guilt by association works...

Jesus mate, I just talked about bad optics.
You don't like police? Yeah. You have a hell of a right not to.
Celebrating their deaths, however, is directly counterproductive to what you want to see done.

Not if Rojava is an accelerationist and just wants shit to burn.

Who said I celebrated it? Did you see me going "YEEEEAH FUCK EM ALL"? No, I did not. I simply have very little sympathy for them, like how when a mobster gets shot in his driveway by hired hitmen sent by a rival crime family, i dont go "oh thats so horrible." I know my opinions on these kinds of things are unorthodox but if you're gonna criticize them, understand them fully first. My opinion isn't "let's kill all the cops." My opinion is "they joined a department with a culture of violence and it's kind of hypocritical that they can go around murdering people but then start whining when they get shot." I would rather no one be getting shot, but at the same time they've been killing quite a few people so they kinda dug themselves into a hole.

[Loben III]

Not if Rojava is an accelerationist and just wants shit to burn.

Who said I celebrated it? Did you see me going "YEEEEAH FUCK EM ALL"? No, I did not. I simply have very little sympathy for them, like how when a mobster gets shot in his driveway by hired hitmen sent by a rival crime family, i dont go "oh thats so horrible." I know my opinions on these kinds of things are unorthodox but if you're gonna criticize them, understand them fully first. My opinion isn't "let's kill all the cops." My opinion is "they joined a department with a culture of violence and it's kind of hypocritical that they can go around murdering people but then start whining when they get shot." I would rather no one be getting shot, but at the same time they've been killing quite a few people so they kinda dug themselves into a hole.

Did those two cops kill anybody?

[Borderlands of Rojava]

Who said I celebrated it? Did you see me going "YEEEEAH FUCK EM ALL"? No, I did not. I simply have very little sympathy for them, like how when a mobster gets shot in his driveway by hired hitmen sent by a rival crime family, i dont go "oh thats so horrible." I know my opinions on these kinds of things are unorthodox but if you're gonna criticize them, understand them fully first. My opinion isn't "let's kill all the cops." My opinion is "they joined a department with a culture of violence and it's kind of hypocritical that they can go around murdering people but then start whining when they get shot." I would rather no one be getting shot, but at the same time they've been killing quite a few people so they kinda dug themselves into a hole.

Did those two cops kill anybody?

They likely did nothing to stop the killing. They were complicit and chose to join a violent organization, like how Shamima Begum didn't kill anyone in Syria but i still want that bitch to forever remain trapped in the desert till either Assad or a rival Islamist group or the Kurds or time itself get her.