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Are the police racist?

Yes
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40%
No
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Other (explain below)
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Postby Necroghastia » Thu Sep 10, 2020 9:33 am

Glorious Hong Kong wrote:This does not mean I condone police brutality and abuse of power under any circumstances.


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Postby The Emerald Legion » Thu Sep 10, 2020 10:13 am

Necroghastia wrote:
Glorious Hong Kong wrote:This does not mean I condone police brutality and abuse of power under any circumstances.


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It's almost like 90% of these cases of Police Brutality happened under Democratic leadership.

You are aware how our government works right?
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Postby Ifreann » Thu Sep 10, 2020 10:17 am

The Emerald Legion wrote:
Necroghastia wrote:


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It's almost like 90% of these cases of Police Brutality happened under Democratic leadership.

You are aware how our government works right?

I find your claims to be extremely suspicious.

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Postby United States of Devonta » Thu Sep 10, 2020 10:19 am

Ifreann wrote:
The Emerald Legion wrote:
It's almost like 90% of these cases of Police Brutality happened under Democratic leadership.

You are aware how our government works right?

I find your claims to be extremely suspicious.


Most police forces most likely vote Republican, especially in todays environment. Always been a mute point too me.
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Postby The Emerald Legion » Thu Sep 10, 2020 10:22 am

Ifreann wrote:
The Emerald Legion wrote:
It's almost like 90% of these cases of Police Brutality happened under Democratic leadership.

You are aware how our government works right?

I find your claims to be extremely suspicious.


How so?

George Floyd, Minneapolis, run by Democrats.
Breonna Taylor, Louisville, run by Democrats.
Jacob Blake, Kenosha, run by Democrats.

Sensing a pattern here?
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Postby The Huskar Social Union » Thu Sep 10, 2020 10:24 am

Necroghastia wrote:
Glorious Hong Kong wrote:This does not mean I condone police brutality and abuse of power under any circumstances.


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Postby Ifreann » Thu Sep 10, 2020 10:30 am

The Emerald Legion wrote:
Ifreann wrote:I find your claims to be extremely suspicious.


How so?

George Floyd, Minneapolis, run by Democrats.
Breonna Taylor, Louisville, run by Democrats.
Jacob Blake, Kenosha, run by Democrats.

Sensing a pattern here?

That's three high-profile incidents, not 90% of police brutality. Unless you'd have me believe that those three incidents are 90% of police brutality...

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Postby The Greater Ohio Valley » Thu Sep 10, 2020 10:32 am

The Emerald Legion wrote:
Ifreann wrote:I find your claims to be extremely suspicious.


How so?

George Floyd, Minneapolis, run by Democrats.
Breonna Taylor, Louisville, run by Democrats.
Jacob Blake, Kenosha, run by Democrats.

Sensing a pattern here?

You realize that this isn’t the gotcha you think it is, right? Police unions and their leadership have a huge amount of power and resist most pushes for change and reform, regardless of the city and the political party in charge of said city.
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Postby Northern Davincia » Thu Sep 10, 2020 10:34 am

United States of Devonta wrote:
Ifreann wrote:I find your claims to be extremely suspicious.


Most police forces most likely vote Republican, especially in todays environment. Always been a mute point too me.

As far as I know, this is true. However, the same cannot be said of the officials in charge of oversight.
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Postby Cordel One » Thu Sep 10, 2020 10:34 am

The Emerald Legion wrote:
Ifreann wrote:I find your claims to be extremely suspicious.


How so?

George Floyd, Minneapolis, run by Democrats.
Breonna Taylor, Louisville, run by Democrats.
Jacob Blake, Kenosha, run by Democrats.

Sensing a pattern here?

Cities are usually Democrat-controlled? Neoliberalism is useless? Cops are a backward institution regardless of the party in charge?
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Postby The Greater Ohio Valley » Thu Sep 10, 2020 10:36 am

Northern Davincia wrote:
United States of Devonta wrote:
Most police forces most likely vote Republican, especially in todays environment. Always been a mute point too me.

As far as I know, this is true. However, the same cannot be said of the officials in charge of oversight.

The police tend to resist oversight pretty fiercely, so the point is still a bit moot.
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Postby Ifreann » Thu Sep 10, 2020 10:36 am

Northern Davincia wrote:
United States of Devonta wrote:
Most police forces most likely vote Republican, especially in todays environment. Always been a mute point too me.

As far as I know, this is true. However, the same cannot be said of the officials in charge of oversight.

Which is relevant if and only if the oversight people have any power.

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Postby United States of Devonta » Thu Sep 10, 2020 10:39 am

Northern Davincia wrote:
United States of Devonta wrote:
Most police forces most likely vote Republican, especially in todays environment. Always been a mute point too me.

As far as I know, this is true. However, the same cannot be said of the officials in charge of oversight.


Democrats shouldn't have to babyset Republican cops. Jk but in all seriousness, kinda hard when any attempt of change is met with calls that you hate police and are soft on crime.

Not to mention, the culture in some departments make any sort of whistle blowing or push back from within hard.
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Postby United States of Devonta » Thu Sep 10, 2020 10:39 am

The Greater Ohio Valley wrote:
Northern Davincia wrote:As far as I know, this is true. However, the same cannot be said of the officials in charge of oversight.

The police tend to resist oversight pretty fiercely, so the point is still a bit moot.


Very much so.
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Postby The Emerald Legion » Thu Sep 10, 2020 10:40 am

The Greater Ohio Valley wrote:
The Emerald Legion wrote:
How so?

George Floyd, Minneapolis, run by Democrats.
Breonna Taylor, Louisville, run by Democrats.
Jacob Blake, Kenosha, run by Democrats.

Sensing a pattern here?

You realize that this isn’t the gotcha you think it is, right? Police unions and their leadership have a huge amount of power and resist most pushes for change and reform, regardless of the city and the political party in charge of said city.


You're incorrect. Conflict between Police Unions and the city leadership is largely for show.
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Postby Cordel One » Thu Sep 10, 2020 10:42 am

The Emerald Legion wrote:
The Greater Ohio Valley wrote:You realize that this isn’t the gotcha you think it is, right? Police unions and their leadership have a huge amount of power and resist most pushes for change and reform, regardless of the city and the political party in charge of said city.


You're incorrect. Conflict between Police Unions and the city leadership is largely for show.

That's not entirely true, but the Democrats don't care enough to do anything beyond symbolic gestures.

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Postby Northern Davincia » Thu Sep 10, 2020 10:45 am

United States of Devonta wrote:
Northern Davincia wrote:As far as I know, this is true. However, the same cannot be said of the officials in charge of oversight.


Democrats shouldn't have to babyset Republican cops. Jk but in all seriousness, kinda hard when any attempt of change is met with calls that you hate police and are soft on crime.

Not to mention, the culture in some departments make any sort of whistle blowing or push back from within hard.

Reform is undoubtedly a difficult task, but Democrats have no chance at losing in big cities. They'll retain power despite "hating police" or "being soft on crime."
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Postby United States of Devonta » Thu Sep 10, 2020 10:58 am

Northern Davincia wrote:
United States of Devonta wrote:
Democrats shouldn't have to babyset Republican cops. Jk but in all seriousness, kinda hard when any attempt of change is met with calls that you hate police and are soft on crime.

Not to mention, the culture in some departments make any sort of whistle blowing or push back from within hard.

Reform is undoubtedly a difficult task, but Democrats have no chance at losing in big cities. They'll retain power despite "hating police" or "being soft on crime."


A different Democrat will then. But not the current office holder. It's extremely hard to navigate. Guys, like Stephen Clark are Dems in name only, and that gives them votes. I think it's already be noted by other posters too, why your just plain wrong.
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Postby Organized States » Thu Sep 10, 2020 12:06 pm

The Emerald Legion wrote:
Ifreann wrote:I find your claims to be extremely suspicious.


How so?

George Floyd, Minneapolis, run by Democrats.
Breonna Taylor, Louisville, run by Democrats.
Jacob Blake, Kenosha, run by Democrats.

Sensing a pattern here?

Nice politicization of long standing racial issues by both parties to the conversation here.

Racism doesn't have political affiliations.

Stop with this shit.
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Postby San Lumen » Thu Sep 10, 2020 12:07 pm

The Emerald Legion wrote:
Ifreann wrote:I find your claims to be extremely suspicious.


How so?

George Floyd, Minneapolis, run by Democrats.
Breonna Taylor, Louisville, run by Democrats.
Jacob Blake, Kenosha, run by Democrats.

Sensing a pattern here?

And cities with republican mayors have no issues right?

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Postby Cordel One » Thu Sep 10, 2020 12:08 pm

Organized States wrote:
The Emerald Legion wrote:
How so?

George Floyd, Minneapolis, run by Democrats.
Breonna Taylor, Louisville, run by Democrats.
Jacob Blake, Kenosha, run by Democrats.

Sensing a pattern here?

Nice politicization of long standing racial issues by both parties to the conversation here.

Racism doesn't have political affiliations.

Stop with this shit.

Racism does have political affiliations, and you're gonna find it in both big parties because they have more in common than you might think.

The Democrats are a right-wing party.
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Postby Valrifell » Thu Sep 10, 2020 12:09 pm

Cordel One wrote:
Organized States wrote:Nice politicization of long standing racial issues by both parties to the conversation here.

Racism doesn't have political affiliations.

Stop with this shit.

Racism does have political affiliations, and you're gonna find it in both parties.


Putting the police issue into a partisan framework does nothing except reveal that the person presenting it only cares about scoring imaginary political points and not actually solving the issue.

That police shootings are "happening in Democratic cities" is secondary to the fact that they're happening at all. It's not a Democratic or Republican issue singularly, but for some reason the GOP is intent on blaming it square on the Democrats.
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Postby Cordel One » Thu Sep 10, 2020 12:11 pm

Valrifell wrote:
Cordel One wrote:Racism does have political affiliations, and you're gonna find it in both parties.


Putting the police issue into a partisan framework does nothing except reveal that the person presenting it only cares about scoring imaginary political points and not actually solving the issue.

What? Only a proletarian movement can solve the issue, but calling the big parties racist says nothing about me beyond my dissatisfaction with them.

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Postby The Emerald Legion » Thu Sep 10, 2020 12:13 pm

No, it makes the point intended. That the Democrats are not some kind of benevolent force for Minorities. They're Europhile Autocrats who want to rob us all of our rights.
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Postby Valrifell » Thu Sep 10, 2020 12:13 pm

Cordel One wrote:
Valrifell wrote:
Putting the police issue into a partisan framework does nothing except reveal that the person presenting it only cares about scoring imaginary political points and not actually solving the issue.

What? Only a proletarian movement can solve the issue, but calling the big parties racist says nothing about me beyond my dissatisfaction with them.


That's not a partisan framework, though. What Emerald was presenting, implicitly saying "this wouldn't happen under Republican leadership" was partisan framing, that's what I was attacking.

You're fine for saying that racists are in both parties, we kind of agree with each other, actually.
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