US Anti-Police Protests and Riots Thread II

[Borderlands of Rojava]

it may seem so, but the reason for this is that when they dont shoot first. they get shot first. the whole country is armed, more guns than people. not on any side, just explaining why it is like that

Really, the 13 year old with no weapon could have shot at the police first? That doesn't make any sense.

The simple fact is the police are far more likely to shoot someone than to be shot themselves. The police are in more danger of COVID than they are of criminals with guns.

If you look at the FBI data you will see officers are about as likely to be killed in an accidental as they are to be killed intentionally.

Being a pizza delivery driver is more dangerous. Yet I assume I wouldn't be acquitted in court if I became a delivery driver and shot a man 12 times in his car.

[Washington Resistance Army]

The moment when you realise that more damage has been done to lives and property by Gender Reveal parties than by these protests.

Pretty sure dozens of people have died from the protests at this point.

[North American Imperial State]

What the actual fuck is wrong with the US police, shoot first ask questions later mentality is stupid.

it may seem so, but the reason for this is that when they dont shoot first. they get shot first. the whole country is armed, more guns than people. not on any side, just explaining why it is like that :clap:

Nah thats just a piss poor excuse smh

Really, the 13 year old with no weapon could have shot at the police first? That doesn't make any sense.

The simple fact is the police are far more likely to shoot someone than to be shot themselves. The police are in more danger of COVID than they are of criminals with guns.

If you look at the FBI data you will see officers are about as likely to be killed in an accidental as they are to be killed intentionally.

Being a pizza delivery driver is more dangerous. Yet I assume I wouldn't be acquitted in court if I became a delivery driver and shot a man 12 times in his car.

There it is, the mentality to shoot unarmed civilans proves the system is fucked up. In no way they can justify the shooting.

[Great Confederacy of Commonwealth States]

The moment when you realise that more damage has been done to lives and property by Gender Reveal parties than by these protests.

Pretty sure dozens of people have died from the protests at this point.

Do you mean protestors killed by police and armed vigilantes or actually killed by protestors?

[Washington Resistance Army]

Pretty sure dozens of people have died from the protests at this point.

Do you mean protestors killed by police and armed vigilantes or actually killed by protestors?

All of the above.

[Great Confederacy of Commonwealth States]

Do you mean protestors killed by police and armed vigilantes or actually killed by protestors?

All of the above.

Bit crude to count protesters killed by police and blame the protests for them.

[Nobel Hobos 2]

it may seem so, but the reason for this is that when they dont shoot first. they get shot first. the whole country is armed, more guns than people. not on any side, just explaining why it is like that :clap:

Nah thats just a piss poor excuse smh

Being a pizza delivery driver is more dangerous. Yet I assume I wouldn't be acquitted in court if I became a delivery driver and shot a man 12 times in his car.

There it is, the mentality to shoot unarmed civilans proves the system is fucked up. In no way they can justify the shooting.

"Aww, give us a break. We got the cuffs on him without killing him, what more do you want?"

[Pilipinas and Malaya]

Even more evidence that you shouldn't trust the police when a relative is having a mental health emergency.

TLDR: a mother called the police because her 13 year old son was having a mental break down. She told the police he was unarmed, and within 5 minutes the police shot him. The police have not reported finding a weapon.

Poor kid. No one should ever go through that just because some police guy decided that shooting would be the best solution.

[Nobel Hobos 2]

The moment when you realise that more damage has been done to lives and property by Gender Reveal parties than by these protests.

Pretty sure dozens of people have died from the protests at this point.

The protests didn't cause all of the deaths. Technically they didn't cause any of them: anyone who was only protesting wasn't a problem.

[Aureumterra]

Pretty sure dozens of people have died from the protests at this point.

The protests didn't cause all of the deaths. Technically they didn't cause any of them: anyone who was only protesting wasn't a problem.

Rioting isn’t protesting, you’re right

[Ifreann]

The protests didn't cause all of the deaths. Technically they didn't cause any of them: anyone who was only protesting wasn't a problem.

Rioting isn’t protesting, you’re right

People are protesting by rioting.

[Glorious Hong Kong]

Even more evidence that you shouldn't trust the police when a relative is having a mental health emergency.

TLDR: a mother called the police because her 13 year old son was having a mental break down. She told the police he was unarmed, and within 5 minutes the police shot him. The police have not reported finding a weapon.

Idiots. Incompetent, clueless IDIOTS. This reminds me of a similar shooting death of an autistic man in East Jerusalem by Israeli security forces because he freaked out and ran away at the presence of strangers. (Disclaimer: I'm a Zionist who generally supports the IDF and Israel.) Being a low-functioning autistic that's prone to mental breakdowns seems to be a HUGE risk factor especially where cops and guns are involved. Even so-called mental health workers can't be trusted to handle autism-related mental breakdowns (this wasn't the particular individual I had in mind, but it's from the same country and it's still horrifying).

Pretty much everyone in the United States, Republicans and Democrats, supports drastic police reform, as do I. Cops need to learn to handle mental illness. My sympathies go out to that kid. All Lives Matter.

[Aureumterra]

Rioting isn’t protesting, you’re right

People are protesting by rioting.

I think BLM is better off disowning the rioters

[Ifreann]

People are protesting by rioting.

I think BLM is better off disowning the rioters

I'm sure they'll be very interested in your advice.

[Giovenith]

All the people trying to justify the more well known police brutality cases like George Floyd's are idiots. Even if the victims are resisting arrest when did that ever warrant murder? I've heard excuses like "well he had drugs in his system" "he has a history of being arrested" "he's a felon" people think, even if those statements are true, that they are legitimate excuses for being killed by the police. The number of people willing to make up excuses for why any murder is justified is unsettling. These are people's lives being unfairly taken that's all that matters, not their past or anything else.

*** Warned for Trolling ***

Look, you can't call people idiots here, okay?

[Vassenor]

Even more evidence that you shouldn't trust the police when a relative is having a mental health emergency.

TLDR: a mother called the police because her 13 year old son was having a mental break down. She told the police he was unarmed, and within 5 minutes the police shot him. The police have not reported finding a weapon.

Idiots. Incompetent, clueless IDIOTS. This reminds me of a similar shooting death of an autistic man in East Jerusalem by Israeli security forces because he freaked out and ran away at the presence of strangers. (Disclaimer: I'm a Zionist who generally supports the IDF and Israel.) Being a low-functioning autistic that's prone to mental breakdowns seems to be a HUGE risk factor especially where cops and guns are involved. Even so-called mental health workers can't be trusted to handle autism-related mental breakdowns (this wasn't the particular individual I had in mind, but it's from the same country and it's still horrifying).

Pretty much everyone in the United States, Republicans and Democrats, supports drastic police reform, as do I. Cops need to learn to handle mental illness. My sympathies go out to that kid. All Lives Matter.

So why do the Republicans keep blocking attempts at police reform?

[Gravlen]

I'm not saying Vass is right, because I haven't looked into that, but I know you are wrong, unfortunately:

Family members at the party, where expectant parents were announcing the sex of their baby, inadvertently created a pipe bomb that killed a woman in Iowa, a sheriff said.

Explosion at Gender Reveal Party Kills Woman, Officials Say

The article mentions something about the cost of one GRP gone horribly wrong:

A United States Border Patrol agent’s gender reveal party in Arizona last year sparked a fire that consumed more than 45,000 acres and caused more than $8 million in damage.

OK, the first thing I found was in California and it reported no injuries or houses lost.

I was amused by an interview with the person credited as the creator of the Gender Reveal Party, pretty much going "Guys! Cut that shit out!! You're taking it too far!!! NO!!!! THIS IS WHY WE CAN'T HAVE NICE THINGS!!!!!"

[Gravlen]

Police shoot an average of three to four people in LA county each month, or roughly 45 victims each year, according to an analysis by the LA Times. In the last two decades, officers have killed more than 1,000 people in the county, according to Youth Justice Coalition (YJC), an activist group.

Despite the pandemic shutdowns and heightened attention to police brutality, LA law enforcement is killing civilians at a rate that appears to be fairly consistent with previous years. From the start of 2020 through June, police in the county have killed at least 23 people, YJC says.

“It’s like there’s no end to it, it just keeps happening,” said Lupita Carballo, a 21-year YJC organizer who lives in South LA, near the site of the latest killing.

Since the end of May, when mass protests erupted in LA, officers have fatally shot 11 people, according to Black Lives Matter LA, which also tracks killings. The sheriff’s department, which is separate from the LA police department (LAPD) and patrols areas outside of the city, was responsible for seven of these deaths.

LASD is the largest county police agency in the US, with jurisdiction in nearly 200 different towns and cities, and has a track record of brutality and controversial killings, racial profiling and corruption cases.

LASD scandals have piled up this summer at a dizzying pace. On 18 June, during the height of protests, an LASD Compton deputy killed Andres Guardado, an 18-year-old security guard who was fleeing and shot five times in the back. Recently, a deputy whistleblower alleged that Compton was home to a gang of violent deputies who have violated civilians’ rights and used excessive force.

In another LASD unit, more than two dozen deputies faced discipline in August for their links to a gang of tattooed officers, and a high-ranking official was reassigned after he said Guardado “chose his fate”. One lawsuit filed last month further accused LASD of fabricating a story and withholding evidence.

“It’s a reign of terror,” said Paula Minor, a BLM activist in LA. “The sheriff’s department does whatever they want to do, and they know that no one will be held accountable.”

In LASD’s initial account of Dijon Kizzee’s killing this week, a spokesperson alleged that he had dropped a bundle of clothes while fleeing and the deputies spotted a handgun. The agency later claimed he “made a motion” toward the gun, and also accused the man of punching a deputy, though the officers did not sustain any injuries. Witnesses disputed the police account, and a family attorney said it appeared police shot at him 15 to 20 times. There was no body-camera footage.

Most of the summer’s killings received almost no news coverage, with the limited information released about them coming from police.

In a 27 May killing of a Latino man in North Hollywood, an officer was called to a “neighbor dispute” and killed a man with a “sword”. In a 29 May killing in north LA county, police said they approached a man who was “walking on the sidewalk”, and when they saw he had a firearm, ended up taking him to the ground and killing him. In an East LA suburb on 7 June, police killed a 38-year-old who had reportedly been hit by a train; police said when they approached him he had a knife.

One victim who did not become a hashtag is Michael Thomas, a 61-year-old grandfather killed by LASD deputies on 11 June inside his home in Lancaster, north of the city. LASD alleged that the officers were responding to a suspected domestic violence call and that Thomas, who was unarmed, reached for the officer’s gun. But Thomas’ girlfriend said the two were only having an argument, and that he was trying to stop the officers from unlawfully entering his home, citing the fourth amendment.

'Reign of terror': A summer of police violence in Los Angeles

[Ifreann]

Police shoot an average of three to four people in LA county each month, or roughly 45 victims each year, according to an analysis by the LA Times. In the last two decades, officers have killed more than 1,000 people in the county, according to Youth Justice Coalition (YJC), an activist group.

Despite the pandemic shutdowns and heightened attention to police brutality, LA law enforcement is killing civilians at a rate that appears to be fairly consistent with previous years. From the start of 2020 through June, police in the county have killed at least 23 people, YJC says.

“It’s like there’s no end to it, it just keeps happening,” said Lupita Carballo, a 21-year YJC organizer who lives in South LA, near the site of the latest killing.

Since the end of May, when mass protests erupted in LA, officers have fatally shot 11 people, according to Black Lives Matter LA, which also tracks killings. The sheriff’s department, which is separate from the LA police department (LAPD) and patrols areas outside of the city, was responsible for seven of these deaths.

LASD is the largest county police agency in the US, with jurisdiction in nearly 200 different towns and cities, and has a track record of brutality and controversial killings, racial profiling and corruption cases.

LASD scandals have piled up this summer at a dizzying pace. On 18 June, during the height of protests, an LASD Compton deputy killed Andres Guardado, an 18-year-old security guard who was fleeing and shot five times in the back. Recently, a deputy whistleblower alleged that Compton was home to a gang of violent deputies who have violated civilians’ rights and used excessive force.

In another LASD unit, more than two dozen deputies faced discipline in August for their links to a gang of tattooed officers, and a high-ranking official was reassigned after he said Guardado “chose his fate”. One lawsuit filed last month further accused LASD of fabricating a story and withholding evidence.

“It’s a reign of terror,” said Paula Minor, a BLM activist in LA. “The sheriff’s department does whatever they want to do, and they know that no one will be held accountable.”

In LASD’s initial account of Dijon Kizzee’s killing this week, a spokesperson alleged that he had dropped a bundle of clothes while fleeing and the deputies spotted a handgun. The agency later claimed he “made a motion” toward the gun, and also accused the man of punching a deputy, though the officers did not sustain any injuries. Witnesses disputed the police account, and a family attorney said it appeared police shot at him 15 to 20 times. There was no body-camera footage.

Most of the summer’s killings received almost no news coverage, with the limited information released about them coming from police.

In a 27 May killing of a Latino man in North Hollywood, an officer was called to a “neighbor dispute” and killed a man with a “sword”. In a 29 May killing in north LA county, police said they approached a man who was “walking on the sidewalk”, and when they saw he had a firearm, ended up taking him to the ground and killing him. In an East LA suburb on 7 June, police killed a 38-year-old who had reportedly been hit by a train; police said when they approached him he had a knife.

One victim who did not become a hashtag is Michael Thomas, a 61-year-old grandfather killed by LASD deputies on 11 June inside his home in Lancaster, north of the city. LASD alleged that the officers were responding to a suspected domestic violence call and that Thomas, who was unarmed, reached for the officer’s gun. But Thomas’ girlfriend said the two were only having an argument, and that he was trying to stop the officers from unlawfully entering his home, citing the fourth amendment.

'Reign of terror': A summer of police violence in Los Angeles

Sorry, an officer killed a man with a sword?

Fucking what.

How is this not national news, what in the fuck?

[Gravlen]

Police shoot an average of three to four people in LA county each month, or roughly 45 victims each year, according to an analysis by the LA Times. In the last two decades, officers have killed more than 1,000 people in the county, according to Youth Justice Coalition (YJC), an activist group.

Despite the pandemic shutdowns and heightened attention to police brutality, LA law enforcement is killing civilians at a rate that appears to be fairly consistent with previous years. From the start of 2020 through June, police in the county have killed at least 23 people, YJC says.

“It’s like there’s no end to it, it just keeps happening,” said Lupita Carballo, a 21-year YJC organizer who lives in South LA, near the site of the latest killing.

Since the end of May, when mass protests erupted in LA, officers have fatally shot 11 people, according to Black Lives Matter LA, which also tracks killings. The sheriff’s department, which is separate from the LA police department (LAPD) and patrols areas outside of the city, was responsible for seven of these deaths.

LASD is the largest county police agency in the US, with jurisdiction in nearly 200 different towns and cities, and has a track record of brutality and controversial killings, racial profiling and corruption cases.

LASD scandals have piled up this summer at a dizzying pace. On 18 June, during the height of protests, an LASD Compton deputy killed Andres Guardado, an 18-year-old security guard who was fleeing and shot five times in the back. Recently, a deputy whistleblower alleged that Compton was home to a gang of violent deputies who have violated civilians’ rights and used excessive force.

In another LASD unit, more than two dozen deputies faced discipline in August for their links to a gang of tattooed officers, and a high-ranking official was reassigned after he said Guardado “chose his fate”. One lawsuit filed last month further accused LASD of fabricating a story and withholding evidence.

“It’s a reign of terror,” said Paula Minor, a BLM activist in LA. “The sheriff’s department does whatever they want to do, and they know that no one will be held accountable.”

In LASD’s initial account of Dijon Kizzee’s killing this week, a spokesperson alleged that he had dropped a bundle of clothes while fleeing and the deputies spotted a handgun. The agency later claimed he “made a motion” toward the gun, and also accused the man of punching a deputy, though the officers did not sustain any injuries. Witnesses disputed the police account, and a family attorney said it appeared police shot at him 15 to 20 times. There was no body-camera footage.

Most of the summer’s killings received almost no news coverage, with the limited information released about them coming from police.

In a 27 May killing of a Latino man in North Hollywood, an officer was called to a “neighbor dispute” and killed a man with a “sword”. In a 29 May killing in north LA county, police said they approached a man who was “walking on the sidewalk”, and when they saw he had a firearm, ended up taking him to the ground and killing him. In an East LA suburb on 7 June, police killed a 38-year-old who had reportedly been hit by a train; police said when they approached him he had a knife.

One victim who did not become a hashtag is Michael Thomas, a 61-year-old grandfather killed by LASD deputies on 11 June inside his home in Lancaster, north of the city. LASD alleged that the officers were responding to a suspected domestic violence call and that Thomas, who was unarmed, reached for the officer’s gun. But Thomas’ girlfriend said the two were only having an argument, and that he was trying to stop the officers from unlawfully entering his home, citing the fourth amendment.

'Reign of terror': A summer of police violence in Los Angeles

Sorry, an officer killed a man with a sword?

Fucking what.

How is this not national news, what in the fuck?

If the police, armed with swords, had killed someone - I would absolutely agree with you.

Since the police killed a man - who was armed with a sword - I don't think it's that spectacular.

50-year-old Rommel Mendoza, allegedly armed with a sword, was killed by police in North Hollywood.

Mendoza then exited his home with a wide-bladed sword, and "ordered the officers to shoot him and then aggressively moved towards the officers," according to police.

Police called for backup units and took cover behind some vehicles while Mendoza allegedly followed them with his sword. Officers ordered Mendoza to drop the sword, but he refused and walked back to his residence, police said.

When additional units arrived at the scene, officers came up with a tactical plan involving less-than-lethal weapons, communications officers and assistance from an air unit.

Mendoza exited his home again about 12:15 p.m., still armed with a sword, and refused to surrender, according to police.

Police say he advanced toward officers, and an officer shot him. Also deployed was a non-lethal weapon that launches foam batons.

Sword-Wielding Man Killed by Police in North Hollywood

[Galloism]

Sorry, an officer killed a man with a sword?

Fucking what.

How is this not national news, what in the fuck?

If the police, armed with swords, had killed someone - I would absolutely agree with you.

Since the police killed a man - who was armed with a sword - I don't think it's that spectacular.

50-year-old Rommel Mendoza, allegedly armed with a sword, was killed by police in North Hollywood.

Mendoza then exited his home with a wide-bladed sword, and "ordered the officers to shoot him and then aggressively moved towards the officers," according to police.

Police called for backup units and took cover behind some vehicles while Mendoza allegedly followed them with his sword. Officers ordered Mendoza to drop the sword, but he refused and walked back to his residence, police said.

When additional units arrived at the scene, officers came up with a tactical plan involving less-than-lethal weapons, communications officers and assistance from an air unit.

Mendoza exited his home again about 12:15 p.m., still armed with a sword, and refused to surrender, according to police.

Police say he advanced toward officers, and an officer shot him. Also deployed was a non-lethal weapon that launches foam batons.

Sword-Wielding Man Killed by Police in North Hollywood

I enjoyed the story more the other way.

Thanks killjoy.

[Ifreann]

Sorry, an officer killed a man with a sword?

Fucking what.

How is this not national news, what in the fuck?

If the police, armed with swords, had killed someone - I would absolutely agree with you.

Since the police killed a man - who was armed with a sword - I don't think it's that spectacular.

50-year-old Rommel Mendoza, allegedly armed with a sword, was killed by police in North Hollywood.

Mendoza then exited his home with a wide-bladed sword, and "ordered the officers to shoot him and then aggressively moved towards the officers," according to police.

Police called for backup units and took cover behind some vehicles while Mendoza allegedly followed them with his sword. Officers ordered Mendoza to drop the sword, but he refused and walked back to his residence, police said.

When additional units arrived at the scene, officers came up with a tactical plan involving less-than-lethal weapons, communications officers and assistance from an air unit.

Mendoza exited his home again about 12:15 p.m., still armed with a sword, and refused to surrender, according to police.

Police say he advanced toward officers, and an officer shot him. Also deployed was a non-lethal weapon that launches foam batons.

Sword-Wielding Man Killed by Police in North Hollywood

I was picturing some kind of action scene where a cop was disarmed but pulled a sword off the wall or something.

[Bear Stearns]

The moment when you realise that more damage has been done to lives and property by Gender Reveal parties than by these protests.

30 people have been killed by the recent riots.

[Bear Stearns]

Idiots. Incompetent, clueless IDIOTS. This reminds me of a similar shooting death of an autistic man in East Jerusalem by Israeli security forces because he freaked out and ran away at the presence of strangers. (Disclaimer: I'm a Zionist who generally supports the IDF and Israel.) Being a low-functioning autistic that's prone to mental breakdowns seems to be a HUGE risk factor especially where cops and guns are involved. Even so-called mental health workers can't be trusted to handle autism-related mental breakdowns (this wasn't the particular individual I had in mind, but it's from the same country and it's still horrifying).

Pretty much everyone in the United States, Republicans and Democrats, supports drastic police reform, as do I. Cops need to learn to handle mental illness. My sympathies go out to that kid. All Lives Matter.

So why do the Republicans keep blocking attempts at police reform?

Because the "police reform" you people have in mind will lead to more crime.

[Phoenicaea]

^i ve got unfortunately greater clue on it. resistance to reform you meet in your nation is as thick as glass of water (much less i mean), if you confront it with resistance to reform in italian life.