US Anti-Police Protests and Riots Thread II

[Thermodolia]

Murdered? no

Getting shot in the face in self-defense? Absolutley 10/10

Disarming some is not an attack.

Depends on the circumstances

[Nazeroth]

actually in Cordel One's case it does because he admits that defense of property is a illegitament.

Many people could call me a Marxist yet I’m defending the idea that it’s self defense.

You just can’t argue well

sure but you are not aruging on the basis that it was illegitament because of "white supremacy"

that's the difference.

[Cordel One]

The videos did not show that.

No, but interviews and gathered evidence do. We can never fully understand what happened, but what we need to do is assume that everyone made fuckups that night, and that no one is innocent or acted in a perfectly rational manner.

You inferred that from the interviews, they don't point to that.

[Kiu Ghesik]

Many people could call me a Marxist yet I’m defending the idea that it’s self defense.

You just can’t argue well

sure but you are not aruging on the basis that it was illegitament because of "white supremacy"

that's the difference.

I don't recall Cordel mentioning white supremacy though?

[Nazeroth]

The videos did not show that.

No, but interviews and gathered evidence do. We can never fully understand what happened, but what we need to do is assume that everyone made fuckups that night, and that no one is innocent or acted in a perfectly rational manner.

Kyle is definatley innocent

whether or not he should have put himself at risk is another story, but as for the events, ultimately the fault of the attackers.

[Northern Davincia]

"A journalist who was following the suspect and the victim at the time provided investigators with more details on what happened. He told investigators the [b]victim was trying to get the suspect's gun[/b], according to the complaint.
Another video shows the suspect running from the scene followed by people in hot pursuit."

You are not a victim if you try disarm someone carrying a weapon...

in fact if you attempt to steal someones gun from them they are legally able to shoot the absolute fuck out of you.

Trying to disarm someone does not justify being murdered.

If the property isn't yours, you should expect the worst to happen in retaliation.

[Nazeroth]

sure but you are not aruging on the basis that it was illegitament because of "white supremacy"

that's the difference.

I don't recall Cordel mentioning white supremacy though?

I said he was arguing from a marxist, anti-capitalist etc perspective and his response was "yes I am"

[Nazeroth]

No, but interviews and gathered evidence do. We can never fully understand what happened, but what we need to do is assume that everyone made fuckups that night, and that no one is innocent or acted in a perfectly rational manner.

You inferred that from the interviews, they don't point to that.

If you are walking around with a weapon, would you allow me to charge you and attempt to take it from you?

[Kiu Ghesik]

I don't recall Cordel mentioning white supremacy though?

I said he was arguing from a marxist, anti-capitalist etc perspective and his response was "yes I am"

Okay, that means he might have been arguing from an "eat the rich!111!!!11!1" perspective, but not that he was incorporating white supremacy into his argument. The two are often related, but I don't think Cordel was going that way.

[Gravlen]

In other news, it has been alleged that Breonna Taylor’s ex-boyfriend was offered a plea deal in exchange for him naming Taylor as a co-defendant in a drug case.

...which, if true, could possibly be a lie to protect the state from a wrongful death claim.

[Nazeroth]

I said he was arguing from a marxist, anti-capitalist etc perspective and his response was "yes I am"

Okay, that means he might have been arguing from an "eat the rich!111!!!11!1" perspective, but not that he was incorporating white supremacy into his argument. The two are often related, but I don't think Cordel was going that way.

whatever, it's nauseating at this point.

[Rusozak]

And say they shot and killed Kyle under this belief he was a murderer on a shooting spree. Would they have been just as justified?

say the moon was made of cheese?

it's not relavent to his defense or their prosecution, at the end of the day Rittenhause defended himself.

It seems relevant to a lot of people here, and anyone arguing there was a racial or ideological component to this. If you agree lethal response is still justified if the tables are turned that's fine. I'm just trying to weed out any biases or double standards, and seeing if people are coming to conclusions objectively or subjectively.

[Cordel One]

You inferred that from the interviews, they don't point to that.

If you are walking around with a weapon, would you allow me to charge you and attempt to take it from you?

It depends. If i was in his shoes I would not.

I think I'm gonna move to another thread for now because some individuals here can't have a mature debate without invoking strawmen and ad hominem attacks, see ya

Y'all seem pretty triggerred at the moment.

[Kiu Ghesik]

Okay, that means he might have been arguing from an "eat the rich!111!!!11!1" perspective, but not that he was incorporating white supremacy into his argument. The two are often related, but I don't think Cordel was going that way.

whatever, it's nauseating at this point.

Aight, acceptable

[Nazeroth]

say the moon was made of cheese?

it's not relavent to his defense or their prosecution, at the end of the day Rittenhause defended himself.

It seems relevant to a lot of people here, and anyone arguing there was a racial or ideological component to this. If you agree lethal response is still justified if the tables are turned that's fine. I'm just trying to weed out any biases or double standards, and seeing if people are coming to conclusions objectively or subjectively.

if the tabels were turned and it was a bunch of right-wingers chasing a member of antifa down who was protecting private property(lulz) then sure he would be within his rights

it comes to this: A armed good samaratan was trying to protect private property and was armed for his protection, they attempted to disarm him which presents reasonable cause for lethal defense, and it ends their.

[Nazeroth]

If you are walking around with a weapon, would you allow me to charge you and attempt to take it from you?

It depends. If i was in his shoes I would not.

I think I'm gonna move to another thread for now because some individuals here can't have a mature debate without invoking strawmen and ad hominem attacks, see ya

Y'all seem pretty triggerred at the moment.

WHY would you let me charge and disarm you? do you have no sense of self-preservation? do you know I'm not going to take your gun and shoot you or beat you?

[Cordel One]

It depends. If i was in his shoes I would not.

I think I'm gonna move to another thread for now because some individuals here can't have a mature debate without invoking strawmen and ad hominem attacks, see ya

Y'all seem pretty triggerred at the moment.

WHY would you let me charge and disarm you? do you have no sense of self-preservation? do you know I'm not going to take your gun and shoot you or beat you?

tf would I assume they were gonna do that

[Ors Might]

What source are you using that claims that not only did the kid bring the gun out of state but also did so with the intent to hunt down protestors?

hero complex
30 minutes away
hunted down people trying to disarm him

Thank you for providing the sources, genuinely appreciated. I read through the articles and they don’t seem to support your assertion of the kid hunting down protestors or being there for the sake of starting trouble. He claims he has the rifle for the sake of protecting himself and draws more attention to his first aid kit, indicating that his intent was to help people injured during the protests. Also, your link for the claim of “hunting protestors” mainly just talks up the background of those shot, it says next to nothing about Rittenhause.

[The Reformed American Republic]

WHY would you let me charge and disarm you? do you have no sense of self-preservation? do you know I'm not going to take your gun and shoot you or beat you?

tf would I assume they were gonna do that

tf would you assume they wouldn't. They're following you while you're trying to retreat. Who are they to try to disarm you to begin with?

[Thermodolia]

I don't recall Cordel mentioning white supremacy though?

I said he was arguing from a marxist, anti-capitalist etc perspective and his response was "yes I am"

Arguing from a Marxist perspective =/= talking about white supremacy.

Marxism isn’t inherently anti-white Supremacy.

[Thermodolia]

In other news, it has been alleged that Breonna Taylor’s ex-boyfriend was offered a plea deal in exchange for him naming Taylor as a co-defendant in a drug case.

...which, if true, could possibly be a lie to protect the state from a wrongful death claim.

Fucking pricks

[Nazeroth]

I said he was arguing from a marxist, anti-capitalist etc perspective and his response was "yes I am"

Arguing from a Marxist perspective =/= talking about white supremacy.

Marxism isn’t inherently anti-white Supremacy.

Im aware that marxism is anti white supremacy thats not what i was saying

[South Ccanda]

I agree they were provoked, but it also shows they didn't know what was happening and therefore could assume Kyle was a murderer in which case they could very well have tried to kill him to "stop the murderer"

therefore Kyle is well within his right to believe he was going to be hurt or killed.

and if they DID know what happend then they would all be accessories to attempting to kill Rittenhause.

And say they shot and killed Kyle under this belief he was a murderer on a shooting spree. Would they have been just as justified?

yes.

[Galloism]

The videos did not show that.

No, but interviews and gathered evidence do. We can never fully understand what happened, but what we need to do is assume that everyone made fuckups that night, and that no one is innocent or acted in a perfectly rational manner.

I'd say there's an incredible amount of idiocy here.

Not ALL idiocy is illegal. But some of it is.

[Thermodolia]

Well it’s happened again. Fucking pigs