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Are the police racist?

Yes
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No
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Postby Ors Might » Mon Aug 31, 2020 1:34 pm

Cordel One wrote:
Nazeroth wrote:Cordel One argues from a Marxist, Antifa, Anti-Capitalist perspective

Protecting private property is the same as protecting the "white systemic racist system" therefore any action is justfied, including violence.

That's why whenever the right-wing protects themselves from left-wing violence it is "illegitament defense" because they are defending white supremacy and capitalism/imperialism

however, violence on behalf of the left is "liberation" and "revolutionary"

it's same old Class Warefare, "oppressor vs oppressed" tactics

You're damn right I am, but the reason I don't support Kyle whatshisname is because he drove half an hour to shoot people and play the hero. That's not defense, that's an attack.

If he was there to shoot people, he sure as fuck wasn’t being very proactive. But sure, condemn a minor for not letting a mob beat him to death after he protected himself against an adult trying to harm him.
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Postby Kiu Ghesik » Mon Aug 31, 2020 1:34 pm

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Kiu Ghesik wrote:You sure? What I read suggested the guy who confronted him might have tried to take his rifle, and the crowd didn't start chasing him until after he shot, but as I said earlier, I don't know the full story. No one does. Hell, the cops don't know, much less us humble NSG posters.


what video are you watching? they chase him down(someone throws a bag with something in it at him) and then he is charged by the pedo before firing. They were going after him before he even fired, though it appears that someone ELSE was firing shots off behind him.

I think we're talking past each other. He fired a shot before the recording started, according to the news report I saw.
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Postby Nazeroth » Mon Aug 31, 2020 1:35 pm

Kiu Ghesik wrote:
Nazeroth wrote:
what video are you watching? they chase him down(someone throws a bag with something in it at him) and then he is charged by the pedo before firing. They were going after him before he even fired, though it appears that someone ELSE was firing shots off behind him.

I think we're talking past each other. He fired a shot before the recording started, according to the news report I saw.


based on what evidence?
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Postby Thermodolia » Mon Aug 31, 2020 1:35 pm

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Thermodolia wrote:He wasn’t a murderer at this point in time.

They only charged him after he shot someone.

Nope. That’s false.
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Postby Cordel One » Mon Aug 31, 2020 1:36 pm

Grinning Dragon wrote:
Cordel One wrote:You're damn right I am, but the reason I don't support Kyle whatshisname is because he drove half an hour to shoot people and play the hero. That's not defense, that's an attack.

No he didn't. kyle was already in town for work and helped remove graffiti.

And he brought his AR-15 with him to instigate violence.

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Postby Nazeroth » Mon Aug 31, 2020 1:36 pm

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Grinning Dragon wrote:No he didn't. kyle was already in town for work and helped remove graffiti.

And he brought his AR-15 with him to instigate violence.


holy shit guy, he didn't BRING the AR-15 with him at least not across state lines

also, carrying a weapon dosn't mean your out to hurt people for no reason.
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Postby Cordel One » Mon Aug 31, 2020 1:36 pm

Thermodolia wrote:
Cordel One wrote:They only charged him after he shot someone.

Nope. That’s false.

Not from what I've seen. Prove it.

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Postby Grinning Dragon » Mon Aug 31, 2020 1:37 pm

Cordel One wrote:
Grinning Dragon wrote:No he didn't. kyle was already in town for work and helped remove graffiti.

And he brought his AR-15 with him to instigate violence.

NO HE DIDN"T.

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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Mon Aug 31, 2020 1:37 pm

Cordel One wrote:
Grinning Dragon wrote:No he didn't. kyle was already in town for work and helped remove graffiti.

And he brought his AR-15 with him to instigate violence.


Actually he brought it with him to protect a person of colors business. We should applaud this brave young man for standing up for minorities.
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Postby Ors Might » Mon Aug 31, 2020 1:37 pm

Cordel One wrote:
Grinning Dragon wrote:No he didn't. kyle was already in town for work and helped remove graffiti.

And he brought his AR-15 with him to instigate violence.

He didn’t bring it with him and even if he did, having a weapon is not instigating violence. During an event where violence is a very possible reality, one could consider being armed as being prudent.
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Postby Nazeroth » Mon Aug 31, 2020 1:37 pm

Cordel One wrote:
Thermodolia wrote:Nope. That’s false.

Not from what I've seen. Prove it.


You can't see much of anything considering your blinded by Marxist indoctrination.
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Postby Cordel One » Mon Aug 31, 2020 1:38 pm

Nazeroth wrote:
Cordel One wrote:And he brought his AR-15 with him to instigate violence.


holy shit guy, he didn't BRING the AR-15 with him...

Nope, he was just walking through the city and poof a random AR-15 appears in his arms when he's coincidentally in the middle of a tense situation around people he opposes.

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Postby Nazeroth » Mon Aug 31, 2020 1:39 pm

Cordel One wrote:
Nazeroth wrote:
holy shit guy, he didn't BRING the AR-15 with him...

Nope, he was just walking through the city and poof a random AR-15 appears in his arms when he's coincidentally in the middle of a tense situation around people he opposes.


considering he was protecting property an AR-15 beats the shit out of fists.
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Postby Kiu Ghesik » Mon Aug 31, 2020 1:39 pm

Nazeroth wrote:
Kiu Ghesik wrote:I think we're talking past each other. He fired a shot before the recording started, according to the news report I saw.


based on what evidence?

Three people were shot, two were shot in the video.
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Postby Cordel One » Mon Aug 31, 2020 1:39 pm

Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Cordel One wrote:And he brought his AR-15 with him to instigate violence.


Actually he brought it with him to protect a person of colors business. We should applaud this brave young man for standing up for minorities.

A hero complex is no justification for this.

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Postby Northern Davincia » Mon Aug 31, 2020 1:39 pm

Cordel One wrote:
Nazeroth wrote:
holy shit guy, he didn't BRING the AR-15 with him...

Nope, he was just walking through the city and poof a random AR-15 appears in his arms when he's coincidentally in the middle of a tense situation around people he opposes.

Holding a gun instigates violence? There is usually a step between.
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Postby Gravlen » Mon Aug 31, 2020 1:40 pm

Thermodolia wrote:
Great Confederacy of Commonwealth States wrote:It really isn't. There is a large part of events that is missing, and depending on the way he killed his first victim, everything after is not self defence.

Nothing in a court case is ever obvious. You do not know what happened here, and your opinions on the protests will have heavily influenced your view of the people that were chasing Rittenhouse, as well as your opinion on gun laws.

Even the fucking prosecution believes it was self defense

This does not seem to be accurate, since they haven't yet dropped the charges of first degree intentional homicide, attempted first degree intentional homicide, and first degree reckless homicide.
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Postby Fartsniffage » Mon Aug 31, 2020 1:40 pm

Nazeroth wrote:
Fartsniffage wrote:
Citizens. Hence, citizens arrest.

Although I'd be amuse to hear from you who Kyle thought he was to travel to an area and arm himself based on actions that hadn't happened yet?


Rioting and Looting wasn't happening before Kyle got their?

oh im sorry your right they were "peaceful protests" :roll:


Lol.

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Postby Nazeroth » Mon Aug 31, 2020 1:40 pm

Kiu Ghesik wrote:
Nazeroth wrote:
based on what evidence?

Three people were shot, two were shot in the video.


No i want evidence that shows that he was shooting people before the first guy went down.

otherwise your just making stuff up, we have evidence to support our claims based on video/audio footage and none of it shows what you are talking about.
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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Mon Aug 31, 2020 1:41 pm

Gravlen wrote:
Thermodolia wrote:Even the fucking prosecution believes it was self defense

This does not seem to be accurate, since they haven't yet dropped the charges of first degree intentional homicide, attempted first degree intentional homicide, and first degree reckless homicide.


Therm is more getting at their description of events, which pretty much does the defenses job for them and makes an extremely strong case for self defense. Like G&D said earlier I could very well see the kid taking them for a ride and getting rich after all this.
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Postby Cordel One » Mon Aug 31, 2020 1:41 pm

Nazeroth wrote:
Cordel One wrote:Not from what I've seen. Prove it.


You can't see much of anything considering your blinded by Marxist indoctrination.

That's not an argument, that's a poor attempt at an insult.

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Postby Nazeroth » Mon Aug 31, 2020 1:41 pm

Cordel One wrote:
Nazeroth wrote:
You can't see much of anything considering your blinded by Marxist indoctrination.

That's not an argument, that's a poor attempt at an insult.


it's not an insult, it's a statement of LITERAL FACT THAT YOU YOURSELF ADMITTED TO
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Postby Ors Might » Mon Aug 31, 2020 1:42 pm

Cordel One wrote:
Nazeroth wrote:
You can't see much of anything considering your blinded by Marxist indoctrination.

That's not an argument, that's a poor attempt at an insult.

What source are you using that claims that not only did the kid bring the gun out of state but also did so with the intent to hunt down protestors?
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Postby Kiu Ghesik » Mon Aug 31, 2020 1:42 pm

I don't know what to tell you besides that every news report I read on this mentions three people were shot. Hell, even the fucking BBC mentions that in their story, and it's literally a five-line minimalist report.
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Postby Nazeroth » Mon Aug 31, 2020 1:42 pm

Cordel One wrote:
Nazeroth wrote:Cordel One argues from a Marxist, Antifa, Anti-Capitalist perspective

Protecting private property is the same as protecting the "white systemic racist system" therefore any action is justfied, including violence.

That's why whenever the right-wing protects themselves from left-wing violence it is "illegitament defense" because they are defending white supremacy and capitalism/imperialism

however, violence on behalf of the left is "liberation" and "revolutionary"

it's same old Class Warefare, "oppressor vs oppressed" tactics

You're damn right I am, but the reason I don't support Kyle whatshisname is because he drove half an hour to shoot people and play the hero. That's not defense, that's an attack.


marixst...perspective...illogical and incomparable with United States law.
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