US Anti-Police Protests and Riots Thread II

[Vassenor]

So we have video of the police stopping medics from aiding the Portland victim now.

Wonder if the cons are finally going to stop pretending that the police are on their side.

You mean antifa street medics who mess up tourniquets and end up causing more harm than good?

Remember, leaving a man to bleed out on the ground isn't harmful.

[Ifreann]

So we have video of the police stopping medics from aiding the Portland victim now.

Wonder if the cons are finally going to stop pretending that the police are on their side.

You mean antifa street medics who mess up tourniquets and end up causing more harm than good?

Are you saying that the medics in that video have messed up tourniquets and caused more harm than good? Or are you saying that anyone of a given political affiliation is inherently bad at first aid?

[Paddy O Fernature]

You mean antifa street medics who mess up tourniquets and end up causing more harm than good?

Remember, leaving a man to bleed out on the ground isn't harmful.

In the case being referenced above, he absolutely would have been better off if left alone to seek care on his own from a nearby clinic or ED.

[Ifreann]

Remember, leaving a man to bleed out on the ground isn't harmful.

In the case being referenced above, he absolutely would have been better off if left alone to seek care on his own from a nearby clinic or ED.

The guy who was shot and died would have been better off if left alone to seek care on his own?

Um, what?

[Paddy O Fernature]

In the case being referenced above, he absolutely would have been better off if left alone to seek care on his own from a nearby clinic or ED.

The guy who was shot and died would have been better off if left alone to seek care on his own?

Um, what?

Clearly that's what I and Aureumterra were talking about, and absolutely NOT the infamous incident where a larping self proclaimed medic fucked up a TQ on a wound not needing a TQ and nearly cost the guy his leg in the process.

[Thermodolia]

The guy who was shot and died would have been better off if left alone to seek care on his own?

Um, what?

Clearly that's what I and Aureumterra were talking about, and absolutely NOT the infamous incident where a larping self proclaimed medic fucked up a TQ on a wound not needing a TQ and nearly cost the guy his leg in the process.

What the fuck? There’s no god damn blood!!

[Ifreann]

The guy who was shot and died would have been better off if left alone to seek care on his own?

Um, what?

Clearly that's what I and Aureumterra were talking about, and absolutely NOT the infamous incident where a larping self proclaimed medic fucked up a TQ on a wound not needing a TQ and nearly cost the guy his leg in the process.

I'm sure there have been many, many instances of people fucking up tourniquets, I'm sure it's happened regularly since the tourniquets were invented, I don't know why mentioning that alone should be read as a reference to one specific incident. But if that is what Aureumterra was getting at, the fuck kind of response is that? Cops pushed medics away from a man who had been shot, "Well one time a person was bad at first aid and did the wrong thing!", okay, yeah, and? Therefore it's good that the cops stopped people from helping a dying man?

[Paddy O Fernature]

Clearly that's what I and Aureumterra were talking about, and absolutely NOT the infamous incident where a larping self proclaimed medic fucked up a TQ on a wound not needing a TQ and nearly cost the guy his leg in the process.

I'm sure there have been many, many instances of people fucking up tourniquets, I'm sure it's happened regularly since the tourniquets were invented, I don't know why mentioning that alone should be read as a reference to one specific incident. But if that is what Aureumterra was getting at, the fuck kind of response is that? Cops pushed medics away from a man who had been shot, "Well one time a person was bad at first aid and did the wrong thing!", okay, yeah, and? Therefore it's good that the cops stopped people from helping a dying man?

Actual medics, or larpers pretending to be medics?

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I'm sure there have been many, many instances of people fucking up tourniquets, I'm sure it's happened regularly since the tourniquets were invented, I don't know why mentioning that alone should be read as a reference to one specific incident. But if that is what Aureumterra was getting at, the fuck kind of response is that? Cops pushed medics away from a man who had been shot, "Well one time a person was bad at first aid and did the wrong thing!", okay, yeah, and? Therefore it's good that the cops stopped people from helping a dying man?

Actual medics, or larpers pretending to be medics?

There are several nurses, EMT's, and doctors who volunteer at protests. And even the less qualified ones can be helpful when it comes to things like helping the victims of pepper spray and tear gas.

[Washington Resistance Army]

So we have video of the police stopping medics from aiding the Portland victim now.

Wonder if the cons are finally going to stop pretending that the police are on their side.

It wouldn't have really mattered even if they could have aided him. You can tell from the video he dies very quickly, it's doubtful even a full ICU surgical staff could have done anything.

[Thermodolia]

Clearly that's what I and Aureumterra were talking about, and absolutely NOT the infamous incident where a larping self proclaimed medic fucked up a TQ on a wound not needing a TQ and nearly cost the guy his leg in the process.

I'm sure there have been many, many instances of people fucking up tourniquets, I'm sure it's happened regularly since the tourniquets were invented, I don't know why mentioning that alone should be read as a reference to one specific incident. But if that is what Aureumterra was getting at, the fuck kind of response is that? Cops pushed medics away from a man who had been shot, "Well one time a person was bad at first aid and did the wrong thing!", okay, yeah, and? Therefore it's good that the cops stopped people from helping a dying man?

The easiest thing for deciding weather or not to use a tourniquet is, are they going to bleed out or not? If yes use the tourniquet, otherwise no.

Granted there are other reasons to use a tourniquet but the vast majority of people won’t use them. So it’s life or limb.

[San Lumen]

So we have video of the police stopping medics from aiding the Portland victim now.

Wonder if the cons are finally going to stop pretending that the police are on their side.

It wouldn't have really mattered even if they could have aided him. You can tell from the video he dies very quickly, it's doubtful even a full ICU surgical staff could have done anything.

it doesn't matter. For the police to prevent medical aid to someone is completely utterly unacceptable and yet they have union presidents who expect them to be praised and stood behind 100 percent. If I was mayor I'd send a message a fire the Union President

[Paddy O Fernature]

Actual medics, or larpers pretending to be medics?

There are several nurses, EMT's, and doctors who volunteer at protests. And even the less qualified ones can be helpful when it comes to things like helping the victims of pepper spray and tear gas.

Yup.

And if they are not there operating in an official capacity, aka volunteering, then they lose all associated rights and privileges associated with it as likely outlined in said departments scope of practice. Sure, help whomever you can, but don't expect to be given any special treatment.

So we have video of the police stopping medics from aiding the Portland victim now.

Wonder if the cons are finally going to stop pretending that the police are on their side.

It wouldn't have really mattered even if they could have aided him. You can tell from the video he dies very quickly, it's doubtful even a full ICU surgical staff could have done anything.

Agreed.

It wouldn't have really mattered even if they could have aided him. You can tell from the video he dies very quickly, it's doubtful even a full ICU surgical staff could have done anything.

it doesn't matter. For the police to prevent medical aid to someone is completely utterly unacceptable and yet they have union presidents who expect them to be praised and stood behind 100 percent. If I was mayor I'd send a message a fire the Union President

Yet another reason why you will never be in a position of real authority.

[Thermodolia]

Actual medics, or larpers pretending to be medics?

There are several nurses, EMT's, and doctors who volunteer at protests. And even the less qualified ones can be helpful when it comes to things like helping the victims of pepper spray and tear gas.

The case here the LARPers got a little too excited. The guy should have been given Tylenol and told to hold a bandage on his leg.

Aka he gets green tagged

[Ifreann]

I'm sure there have been many, many instances of people fucking up tourniquets, I'm sure it's happened regularly since the tourniquets were invented, I don't know why mentioning that alone should be read as a reference to one specific incident. But if that is what Aureumterra was getting at, the fuck kind of response is that? Cops pushed medics away from a man who had been shot, "Well one time a person was bad at first aid and did the wrong thing!", okay, yeah, and? Therefore it's good that the cops stopped people from helping a dying man?

Actual medics, or larpers pretending to be medics?

I'm trying to understand why you and supposedly Aureumterra are bringing up this one time where someone was bad at first aid in response to the cops not letting people help a man who had been shot. I did ask if he believes that people of a given political persuasion are inherently bad at first aid, is that the point you are trying to make?

[San Lumen]

There are several nurses, EMT's, and doctors who volunteer at protests. And even the less qualified ones can be helpful when it comes to things like helping the victims of pepper spray and tear gas.

Yup.

And if they are not there operating in an official capacity, aka volunteering, then they lose all associated rights and privileges associated with it as likely outlined in said departments scope of practice. Sure, help whomever you can, but don't expect to be given any special treatment.

It wouldn't have really mattered even if they could have aided him. You can tell from the video he dies very quickly, it's doubtful even a full ICU surgical staff could have done anything.

Agreed.

it doesn't matter. For the police to prevent medical aid to someone is completely utterly unacceptable and yet they have union presidents who expect them to be praised and stood behind 100 percent. If I was mayor I'd send a message a fire the Union President

Yet another reason why you will never be in a position of real authority.

Why not? It would be the right thing to do. No police brutality would be tolerated in my city if I was mayor.

[Thermodolia]

It wouldn't have really mattered even if they could have aided him. You can tell from the video he dies very quickly, it's doubtful even a full ICU surgical staff could have done anything.

it doesn't matter. For the police to prevent medical aid to someone is completely utterly unacceptable and yet they have union presidents who expect them to be praised and stood behind 100 percent. If I was mayor I'd send a message a fire the Union President

If you’re the mayor why didn’t you mandate that police must always render aid and failure to do so risks punishment?

[Thermodolia]

Yup.

And if they are not there operating in an official capacity, aka volunteering, then they lose all associated rights and privileges associated with it as likely outlined in said departments scope of practice. Sure, help whomever you can, but don't expect to be given any special treatment.



Agreed.



Yet another reason why you will never be in a position of real authority.

Why not? It would be the right thing to do. No police brutality would be tolerated in my city if I was mayor.

Then why don’t you actually propose real changes instead of superficial ones like firing the union president

[San Lumen]

Why not? It would be the right thing to do. No police brutality would be tolerated in my city if I was mayor.

Then why don’t you actually propose real changes instead of superficial ones like firing the union president

That would be were I start. Id mandate training and use of non lethal force and any officer who did what something similar happened to what happened in Minneapolis or Kenosha would be immediately fired.

[Paddy O Fernature]

Actual medics, or larpers pretending to be medics?

A:I'm trying to understand why you and supposedly Aureumterra are bringing up this one time where someone was bad at first aid in response to the cops not letting people help a man who had been shot. B: I did ask if he believes that people of a given political persuasion are inherently bad at first aid, is that the point you are trying to make?

A: It's sadly not one time though. Bottom line, leave it to the professionals as more often then not in such situations these people are just going to get in the way and end up doing more harm then good.

B: No, because I've clearly never said that. Nice attempt at grasping though.

Then why don’t you actually propose real changes instead of superficial ones like firing the union president

That would be were I start. Id mandate training and use of non lethal force and any officer who did what something similar happened to what happened in Minneapolis or Kenosha would be immediately fired.

Sounds incredibly fascist to me, what with bypassing peoples right to a fair trial and all that.

[Ifreann]

I'm sure there have been many, many instances of people fucking up tourniquets, I'm sure it's happened regularly since the tourniquets were invented, I don't know why mentioning that alone should be read as a reference to one specific incident. But if that is what Aureumterra was getting at, the fuck kind of response is that? Cops pushed medics away from a man who had been shot, "Well one time a person was bad at first aid and did the wrong thing!", okay, yeah, and? Therefore it's good that the cops stopped people from helping a dying man?

The easiest thing for deciding weather or not to use a tourniquet is, are they going to bleed out or not? If yes use the tourniquet, otherwise no.

Granted there are other reasons to use a tourniquet but the vast majority of people won’t use them. So it’s life or limb.

I wasn't asking for first aid advice, I was asking why these two are talking about someone once using a tourniquet unnecessarily in response to the police not letting people help a man who had been shot.

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Yup.

And if they are not there operating in an official capacity, aka volunteering, then they lose all associated rights and privileges associated with it as likely outlined in said departments scope of practice. Sure, help whomever you can, but don't expect to be given any special treatment.



Agreed.



Yet another reason why you will never be in a position of real authority.

Why not? It would be the right thing to do. No police brutality would be tolerated in my city if I was mayor.

No one cares what you would or wouldn't tolerate if you were a mayor, this isn't a roleplaying forum.

[Thermodolia]

Then why don’t you actually propose real changes instead of superficial ones like firing the union president

That would be were I start. Id mandate training and use of non lethal force and any officer who did what something similar happened to what happened in Minneapolis or Kenosha would be immediately fired.

Firing of the union president does nothing. Better training and mental health screening would though

[San Lumen]

That would be were I start. Id mandate training and use of non lethal force and any officer who did what something similar happened to what happened in Minneapolis or Kenosha would be immediately fired.

Firing of the union president does nothing. Better training and mental health screening would though

I absolutely would do better mental health screening and do more to weed out possible white supremacists in the police force as well.

[Thermodolia]

The easiest thing for deciding weather or not to use a tourniquet is, are they going to bleed out or not? If yes use the tourniquet, otherwise no.

Granted there are other reasons to use a tourniquet but the vast majority of people won’t use them. So it’s life or limb.

I wasn't asking for first aid advice, I was asking why these two are talking about someone once using a tourniquet unnecessarily in response to the police not letting people help a man who had been shot.

I wasn’t directing my comment at you but saying that if you used what I said you’d cut down on 90% of the misuse of tourniquets

[Paddy O Fernature]

Firing of the union president does nothing. Better training and mental health screening would though

I absolutely would do better mental health screening and do more to weed out possible white supremacists in the police force as well.

Sure sounds like a long winded way of saying "Witch Hunt" to me.

I wasn't asking for first aid advice, I was asking why these two are talking about someone once using a tourniquet unnecessarily in response to the police not letting people help a man who had been shot.

I wasn’t directing my comment at you but saying that if you used what I said you’d cut down on 90% of the misuse of tourniquets

Honestly, I would be very open to the idea of making a first aid class (Akin to the Army's CLS Course) for all seniors in high school in say a zero hour course.