US Anti-Police Protests and Riots Thread II

[Neutraligon]

Nobody cares Gallo, discrimination is only bad when you can twist political advantage out of it.

Also, it's acceptable to point out that the reason men are killed by police more is because men are more violent and commit more crime, and thus are more likely have lethal encounters with the police.

I think there is the perception that female perpetrators are easier for the largely male dominated police force to subdue. There is also the perception that things like carrying a gun tends to be done by men and so they are more dangerous then women. Did a quick look, according to pew 22% of women own their own gun (an additional 18 have a gun in the household owned by someone else) and men tend to become gun owners significantly earlier then women.

[Galloism]

Nobody cares Gallo, discrimination is only bad when you can twist political advantage out of it.

Also, it's acceptable to point out that the reason men are killed by police more is because men are more violent and commit more crime, and thus are more likely have lethal encounters with the police.

Much like race, we should ask why that is and figure out what factors are causing that and correct it.

Also, lest this become a gender debate, let’s just move on.

[Atheris]

The reason is simple. Police are sexist as well as racist.

They're so used to their wives being beaten submissives that they don't see women as a threat.

Well that’s baity.

But you are right it has to do with the threat matrix. That’s also probably a reason black men get treated so much worse - they’re viewed as more threatening based on both sex and race.

You're the 10,000th post on this thread! Congratulations!

[Fartsniffage]

The reason is simple. Police are sexist as well as racist.

They're so used to their wives being beaten submissives that they don't see women as a threat.

Well that’s baity.

But you are right it has to do with the threat matrix. That’s also probably a reason black men get treated so much worse - they’re viewed as more threatening based on both sex and race.

You know as well as I that research into US police has shown that they tend to commit domestic abuse at a level far higher than the general population.

The other side of it is that the vast majority of bad shootings seem to be by male officers. How often is a bad shooting by a female officer?

[Neutraligon]

Well that’s baity.

But you are right it has to do with the threat matrix. That’s also probably a reason black men get treated so much worse - they’re viewed as more threatening based on both sex and race.

You know as well as I that research into US police has shown that they tend to commit domestic abuse at a level far higher than the general population.

The other side of it is that the vast majority of bad shootings seem to be by male officers. How often is a bad shooting by a female officer?

I mean, the police force is overwhelmingly male in composition.

[Bear Stearns]

Well that’s baity.

But you are right it has to do with the threat matrix. That’s also probably a reason black men get treated so much worse - they’re viewed as more threatening based on both sex and race.

You know as well as I that research into US police has shown that they tend to commit domestic abuse at a level far higher than the general population.

So do a couple of other groups now that I think about it...

[Gravlen]

This is an attitude that really puzzles me. I mean, for example the one interview not long ago when Trump was asked about police killings:

In an interview with CBS News on Tuesday, President Trump said the killing of George Floyd was "terrible" but appeared to bristle when asked why Black Americans are "still dying at the hands of law enforcement in this country."

"So are White people. So are White people. What a terrible question to ask. So are White people," Mr. Trump told CBS News senior investigative correspondent Catherine Herridge at the White House. "More White people, by the way. More White people."

...

...and? Nothing more? No "And we need to do something about it"? No? Just, we shouldn't care so much about black people being killed because more White people are killed (in absolute numbers), and that's... fine?

It's shameful, really.


If they need somewhere to start, I suggest Daniel Shaver.

Tbh, we really need to figure out why men are so targeted by police based on gender.

Something like 95% of all deaths at the hands of police are men.

I suspect you'll find that the reason men are targeted over women is by and large the same reason Black men are targeted over White men. Men are percieved to be more dangerous than women, and Black men more dangerous than White men.

But the gender gap in crime statistics shouldn't lead to this rate of use of deadly force, so I think equally it's important to see why the threshold for use of force seems to be so low, and why alternative forms of conflict resolution often seem to go unused.

[Fartsniffage]

You know as well as I that research into US police has shown that they tend to commit domestic abuse at a level far higher than the general population.

The other side of it is that the vast majority of bad shootings seem to be by male officers. How often is a bad shooting by a female officer?

I mean, the police force is overwhelmingly male in composition.

I wonder why that is?

[Bear Stearns]

Also, it's acceptable to point out that the reason men are killed by police more is because men are more violent and commit more crime, and thus are more likely have lethal encounters with the police.

I think there is the perception that female perpetrators are easier for the largely male dominated police force to subdue.

That wouldn't explain why men have more encounters with police, period.

There is also the perception that things like carrying a gun tends to be done by men and so they are more dangerous then women. Did a quick look, according to pew 22% of women own their own gun (an additional 18 have a gun in the household owned by someone else) and men tend to become gun owners significantly earlier then women.

Can you prove a correlation between gun ownership and crime? That seems a really weak line of reasoning. Also, I was never talking about gun ownership. I'm talking about violent crime. Men commit far more violent crime than women, gun-related or otherwise.

[Gravlen]

You know as well as I that research into US police has shown that they tend to commit domestic abuse at a level far higher than the general population.

The other side of it is that the vast majority of bad shootings seem to be by male officers. How often is a bad shooting by a female officer?

I mean, the police force is overwhelmingly male in composition.

Overwhelmingly male and overwhelmingly white.

[Neutraligon]

I think there is the perception that female perpetrators are easier for the largely male dominated police force to subdue.

That wouldn't explain why men have more encounters with police, period.

There is also the perception that things like carrying a gun tends to be done by men and so they are more dangerous then women. Did a quick look, according to pew 22% of women own their own gun (an additional 18 have a gun in the household owned by someone else) and men tend to become gun owners significantly earlier then women.

Can you prove a correlation between gun ownership and crime? That seems a really weak line of reasoning. Also, I was never talking about gun ownership. I'm talking about violent crime. Men commit far more violent crime than women, gun-related or otherwise.

No, because that is not what I am stating. Rather what I am saying is that men are more likely to carry overall, so the perception of men is that they are more dangerous then women in a confrontation, regardless of if they are actually carrying or not. There is a higher possibility that a male suspect (regardless of if they committed a crime or not) has a weapon on them and so the situation could escalate.

[Bear Stearns]

I mean, the police force is overwhelmingly male in composition.

Overwhelmingly male and overwhelmingly white.

Unless you can provide contrary data, police departments tend to be fairly well-reflective of their communities. For example, the LAPD is 64% non-white.

[Kowani]

I think there is the perception that female perpetrators are easier for the largely male dominated police force to subdue.

That wouldn't explain why men have more encounters with police, period.

There is also the perception that things like carrying a gun tends to be done by men and so they are more dangerous then women. Did a quick look, according to pew 22% of women own their own gun (an additional 18 have a gun in the household owned by someone else) and men tend to become gun owners significantly earlier then women.

Can you prove a correlation between gun ownership and crime? That seems a really weak line of reasoning.

I feel like I've posted this before...

[Gig em Aggies]

I mean, the police force is overwhelmingly male in composition.

Overwhelmingly male and overwhelmingly white.

well when over 60% of the population in the US is white then a majority of the police officers will be white so I don't know what you were trying here?

[Neutraligon]

Overwhelmingly male and overwhelmingly white.

Unless you can provide contrary data, police departments tend to be fairly well-reflective of their communities. For example, the LAPD is 64% non-white.

Correct, there is a bigger discrepancy with gender then there is with ethnicity. I believe around 80% of police are men.

[Loben III]

I mean, the police force is overwhelmingly male in composition.

Overwhelmingly male and overwhelmingly white.

something to be afraid of?

[Celritannia]

And they're probably still pretty pro-gun compared to Britain. I haven't looked at the latest self-defence laws (if indeed they've been updated) but it was previously the case that the home invader had to have a gun pointed at your family until you may, possibly be legally entitled to retireve your airsoft gun from the locked case.

I mean, the UK is a literal hellhole of a country, so their standards should be viewed with nothing but contempt and disdain.

At least we have universal healthcare.

[Loben III]

I mean, the UK is a literal hellhole of a country, so their standards should be viewed with nothing but contempt and disdain.

At least we have universal healthcare.

what about dental?

[Bear Stearns]

That wouldn't explain why men have more encounters with police, period.



Can you prove a correlation between gun ownership and crime? That seems a really weak line of reasoning. Also, I was never talking about gun ownership. I'm talking about violent crime. Men commit far more violent crime than women, gun-related or otherwise.

No, because that is not what I am stating. Rather what I am saying is that men are more likely to carry overall, so the perception of men is that they are more dangerous then women in a confrontation,

It honestly sounds like you're making this up. I really doubt the perception that men are more dangerous comes from the fact they are more likely to own guns. It probably comes from the fact they tend to behave more aggressively and violently. It's likely that the perception that men are more dangerous comes from the fact that men are more dangerous. Seems weird to tiptoe around what has been accepted as fact by all humans for the last 15,000 years.

regardless of if they are actually carrying or not. There is a higher possibility that a male suspect (regardless of if they committed a crime or not) has a weapon on them and so the situation could escalate.

There is a higher possibility that situations with male suspects with escalate because male suspects tend to be more belligerent, combative, and aggressive.

[Fartsniffage]

At least we have universal healthcare.

what about dental?

Not free, but cheap as fuck.

[Washington Resistance Army]

I mean, the UK is a literal hellhole of a country, so their standards should be viewed with nothing but contempt and disdain.

At least we have universal healthcare.

At least we can get access to our healthcare in a timely manner

[Loben III]

what about dental?

Not free, but cheap as fuck.

hmm, couldnt tell.

[Celritannia]

At least we have universal healthcare.

At least we can get access to our healthcare in a timely manner

But only if you have insurance.

[Neutraligon]

No, because that is not what I am stating. Rather what I am saying is that men are more likely to carry overall, so the perception of men is that they are more dangerous then women in a confrontation,

It honestly sounds like you're making this up. I really doubt the perception that men are more dangerous comes from the fact they are more likely to own guns. It probably comes from the fact they tend to behave more aggressively and violently. It's likely that the perception that men are more dangerous comes from the fact that men are more dangerous. Seems weird to tiptoe around what has been accepted as fact by all humans for the last 15,000 years.

regardless of if they are actually carrying or not. There is a higher possibility that a male suspect (regardless of if they committed a crime or not) has a weapon on them and so the situation could escalate.

There is a higher possibility that situations with male suspects with escalate because male suspects tend to be more belligerent, combative, and aggressive.

With a gun there is a higher chance of far more dangerous outcomes. So in addition to what you have said, there is the added fact that men are also more likely to carry a gun on them.

[Celritannia]

Not free, but cheap as fuck.

hmm, couldnt tell.

https://www.beckersdental.com/news-and- ... -no-1.html

UK is number 4.

But anyway...