US Anti-Police Protests and Riots Thread II

[The Alma Mater]

>Leaked Officer Kueng bodycam footage.
>Leaked Officer Lane bodycam footage.

Going to drop this here if it hasn't already been posed. Looks really good for these officers.

So... they let raceriots run for a few weeks, and then release this stuff that makes the cops look less like jerks?
Odd timing. But good for them.

How is the Arbery case progressing ? Any news there ?

[Zapato]

>Leaked Officer Kueng bodycam footage.
>Leaked Officer Lane bodycam footage.

Going to drop this here if it hasn't already been posed. Looks really good for these officers.

Looks good. They'll probably only be convicted of murder in the second degree.

[Galloism]

>Leaked Officer Kueng bodycam footage.
>Leaked Officer Lane bodycam footage.

Going to drop this here if it hasn't already been posed. Looks really good for these officers.

Looks good. They'll probably only be convicted of murder in the second degree.

It's probably some form of manslaughter, honestly.

EDIT: My bad, minnesota calls that murder in the third degree.

https://www.revisor.mn.gov/statutes/cite/609.195

[Vassenor]

>Leaked Officer Kueng bodycam footage.
>Leaked Officer Lane bodycam footage.

Going to drop this here if it hasn't already been posed. Looks really good for these officers.

Looks good. They'll probably only be convicted of murder in the second degree.

Which is all he'd already been charged with.

[Atheris]

>Leaked Officer Kueng bodycam footage.
>Leaked Officer Lane bodycam footage.

Going to drop this here if it hasn't already been posed. Looks really good for these officers.

Looks like third-degree murder to me. Voluntary manslaughter at the least.

[Centai Mal]

Right, how dare the evidence show there's been no spikes from these protests.

"Evidence". If you learn how corona is spread you'd know public gatherings in this cesspool of protests is a bad idea.

inb4 "source", to that I say stop being a sheep to the media and learn to think for yourself

I’m only a sheep to science and data

[Vassenor]

>Leaked Officer Kueng bodycam footage.
>Leaked Officer Lane bodycam footage.

Going to drop this here if it hasn't already been posed. Looks really good for these officers.

Looks like third-degree murder to me. Voluntary manslaughter at the least.

Second-degree murder is when a person commits a felony crime, and as a result, causes death – without intent, differentiating it from first-degree murder. Someone found guilty faces a prison sentence of up to 40 years.

Comparatively, according to Minnesota statute, a charge of third degree murder is applicable “by perpetuating an act eminently dangerous to others and evincing a depraved mind, without regard for human life” – which could include dangerous driving but a less direct hand in the death.

[Borderlands of Rojava]

Right, how dare the evidence show there's been no spikes from these protests.

"Evidence". If you learn how corona is spread you'd know public gatherings in this cesspool of protests is a bad idea.

inb4 "source", to that I say stop being a sheep to the media and learn to think for yourself

The protests are a cesspool? Of what, human rights?

[The Black Forrest]

Right, how dare the evidence show there's been no spikes from these protests.

"Evidence". If you learn how corona is spread you'd know public gatherings in this cesspool of protests is a bad idea.

inb4 "source", to that I say stop being a sheep to the media and learn to think for yourself

Hmmm? Do you understand the transmission process? Your comment suggests you don't.

There hasn't been massive spikes. Do you have proof otherwise?

[Galloism]

Protests only spread diseases when i disagree with them

Right, how dare the evidence show there's been no spikes from these protests.

Did you read the study? Because I did.

And responded to it.

[Galloism]

"Evidence". If you learn how corona is spread you'd know public gatherings in this cesspool of protests is a bad idea.

inb4 "source", to that I say stop being a sheep to the media and learn to think for yourself

Hmmm? Do you understand the transmission process? Your comment suggests you don't.

There hasn't been massive spikes. Do you have proof otherwise?

The study Vassenor is unironically citing says explicitly that protests spread Covid. It's that the threat of violence from them made a lot of other people not involved in the protests stay home.

It even points out that where violence was more pronounced, the effect was stronger. It's not really that protests didn't spread the disease - they did - but the threat of riots acted as a countermeasure, keeping others home.

[Borderlands of Rojava]

Hmmm? Do you understand the transmission process? Your comment suggests you don't.

There hasn't been massive spikes. Do you have proof otherwise?

The study Vassenor is unironically citing says explicitly that protests spread Covid. It's that the threat of violence from them made a lot of other people not involved in the protests stay home.

It even points out that where violence was more pronounced, the effect was stronger. It's not really that protests didn't spread the disease - they did - but the threat of riots acted as a countermeasure, keeping others home.

So it did but didn't. It could have spread covid but because people didn't come out the house, any spread was self contained.

[Galloism]

The study Vassenor is unironically citing says explicitly that protests spread Covid. It's that the threat of violence from them made a lot of other people not involved in the protests stay home.

It even points out that where violence was more pronounced, the effect was stronger. It's not really that protests didn't spread the disease - they did - but the threat of riots acted as a countermeasure, keeping others home.

So it did but didn't. It could have spread covid but because people didn't come out the house, any spread was self contained.

It spread among the protestors (as would be expected). But a lot fewer non-protestors were out and about due to fearing violence. Ergo, among those not protesting, the infection rate contracted. The latter was about the same effect as the former, except where violence was more pronounced - then the effect of the latter was greater than the former.

It's not so much "protestors didn't spread Covid" as "rioters and police action caused public fear and reduced the spread of Covid, which counteracted the spread of the protestors".

[The Black Forrest]

Hmmm? Do you understand the transmission process? Your comment suggests you don't.

There hasn't been massive spikes. Do you have proof otherwise?

The study Vassenor is unironically citing says explicitly that protests spread Covid. It's that the threat of violence from them made a lot of other people not involved in the protests stay home.

It even points out that where violence was more pronounced, the effect was stronger. It's not really that protests didn't spread the disease - they did - but the threat of riots acted as a countermeasure, keeping others home.

Ahh. By simple averages there will be spread.

Did it mention open air versus inside? I am hearing people suggest those protests are why we are seeing the numbers we have now. Some are relations. Trumpests that they are......

[Galloism]

The study Vassenor is unironically citing says explicitly that protests spread Covid. It's that the threat of violence from them made a lot of other people not involved in the protests stay home.

It even points out that where violence was more pronounced, the effect was stronger. It's not really that protests didn't spread the disease - they did - but the threat of riots acted as a countermeasure, keeping others home.

Ahh. By simple averages there will be spread.

Did it mention open air versus inside? I am hearing people suggest those protests are why we are seeing the numbers we have now. Some are relations. Trumpests that they are......

That study did not go into that as it wasn't the aim.

But there are multiple studies suggesting that open air in sunlight is vastly safer than inside or at night.

[Galloism]

"Evidence". If you learn how corona is spread you'd know public gatherings in this cesspool of protests is a bad idea.

inb4 "source", to that I say stop being a sheep to the media and learn to think for yourself

I’m only a sheep to science and data

I mean, based on the study, you should probably be thanking the police.

The violence that was fomented is what counteracted the spread caused by protestors. So we should thank the people responsible for the violence for containing the spread of Covid.

Heck, we could cut out the middleman and just assign the police to shoot someone in the arm at random 3 or 4 times a day in each city, and publicize it.

That would make people stay home.

[Liriena]

Arguing whether the protests led to a spike in coronavirus cases feels kind of like a red herring to me, tbh. The question shouldn't be whether the protests are a public health hazard, but rather why people were willing to risk exactly that? What is going on that got so many people to take to the streets? If we obsess over whether cases spiked or not, we're adding another layer of pointless superficiality and irrelevancy to our understanding of these protests. At most, the only practical purpose of such a discussion is the same as that of the discussion on whether riots or blocking a street are "bad": it tries to coax us into engaging in a yes/no debate on whether the protests are acceptable in and of themselves. It's a debate which ultimately serves to justify the suppression of those same protests.

[Aureumterra]

Arguing whether the protests led to a spike in coronavirus cases feels kind of like a red herring to me, tbh. The question shouldn't be whether the protests are a public health hazard, but rather why people were willing to risk exactly that?

People don’t know any better?

[Galloism]

Arguing whether the protests led to a spike in coronavirus cases feels kind of like a red herring to me, tbh. The question shouldn't be whether the protests are a public health hazard, but rather why people were willing to risk exactly that? What is going on that got so many people to take to the streets? If we obsess over whether cases spiked or not, we're adding another layer of pointless superficiality and irrelevancy to our understanding of these protests. At most, the only practical purpose of such a discussion is the same as that of the discussion on whether riots or blocking a street are "bad": it tries to coax us into engaging in a yes/no debate on whether the protests are acceptable in and of themselves. It's a debate which ultimately serves to justify the suppression of those same protests.

Oh, it was just the magic "protests against the lockdowns spread covid" but "protests about black lives matter didn't spread covid" thinking. Which we get a lot of here for some reason.

Like Covid is a liberal virus or something.

In point of fact, people like Vass are citing a study without reading it and want everyone else to do the same. No thanks.

[Liriena]

Arguing whether the protests led to a spike in coronavirus cases feels kind of like a red herring to me, tbh. The question shouldn't be whether the protests are a public health hazard, but rather why people were willing to risk exactly that?

People don’t know any better?

I've learned to expect puddle-deep, barely lukewarm takes from the right on complicated social issues.

[Galloism]

People don’t know any better?

I've learned to expect puddle-deep, barely lukewarm takes from the right on complicated social issues.

Probably the same reason the protests about going back to work happened when the unemployment system collapsed.

People felt it was important enough to be worth the risk.

[Vassenor]

People don’t know any better?

I've learned to expect puddle-deep, barely lukewarm takes from the right on complicated social issues.

Also funny how the right only cares about stopping the spread when its convenient for shutting down protests against it.

[Liriena]

Arguing whether the protests led to a spike in coronavirus cases feels kind of like a red herring to me, tbh. The question shouldn't be whether the protests are a public health hazard, but rather why people were willing to risk exactly that? What is going on that got so many people to take to the streets? If we obsess over whether cases spiked or not, we're adding another layer of pointless superficiality and irrelevancy to our understanding of these protests. At most, the only practical purpose of such a discussion is the same as that of the discussion on whether riots or blocking a street are "bad": it tries to coax us into engaging in a yes/no debate on whether the protests are acceptable in and of themselves. It's a debate which ultimately serves to justify the suppression of those same protests.

Oh, it was just the magic "protests against the lockdowns spread covid" but "protests about black lives matter didn't spread covid" thinking. Which we get a lot of here for some reason.

Like Covid is a liberal virus or something.

In point of fact, people like Vass are citing a study without reading it and want everyone else to do the same. No thanks.

Vass means well but yeah, in this her and others have fallen into a trap. She'd have been better off rejecting the implicit or explicit premise that whether the protests spread covid or not is in any way relevant to the legitimacy of the causes they espouse.

Conservatives and reactionaries got the ball rolling by memeing about "oh when we brave patriots protest anti-covid policy it's bad and spread the fake virus but when the uppity blacks do it it's good and doesn't spread it huh?". The responsible thing to do would have been to reject that framing entirely, to not accept their pathetic, vague gestures at an imaginary hypocrisy as an invitation to defend their strawman.

[La Xinga]

Maybe either just allow no protests or all?

[Galloism]

Oh, it was just the magic "protests against the lockdowns spread covid" but "protests about black lives matter didn't spread covid" thinking. Which we get a lot of here for some reason.

Like Covid is a liberal virus or something.

In point of fact, people like Vass are citing a study without reading it and want everyone else to do the same. No thanks.

Vass means well but yeah, in this her and others have fallen into a trap. She'd have been better off rejecting the implicit or explicit premise that whether the protests spread covid or not is in any way relevant to the legitimacy of the causes they espouse.

Conservatives and reactionaries got the ball rolling by memeing about "oh when we brave patriots protest anti-covid policy it's bad and spread the fake virus but when the uppity blacks do it it's good and doesn't spread it huh?". The responsible thing to do would have been to reject that framing entirely, to not accept their pathetic, vague gestures at an imaginary hypocrisy as an invitation to defend their strawman.

Well, the hypocrisy wasn't really imaginary. There's plenty of hypocrisy along these lines. There was even before people started calling it out.

They called people starving wanting to go back to work so they could eat evil virus spreaders (i'm exaggerating slightly, but not much), while the BLM protests were made up of heroes protesting against racism and by the way they aren't even spreading the virus anyway so it doesn't count.

Your statement is arguably the correct individualist one - whether it spreads the virus or not is not relevant to the legitimacy of the cause. Therefore, both those protesting forced starvation and those protesting police brutality are in their perfect rights to do so.

There's also the other collectivist one - that neither one is their rights to do so because Greater Good.

But "Protest against starvation = evil virus spreaders" and "Protest against police brutality = good they don't even spread the virus" is a hypocritical position.