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Are the police racist?

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No
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Postby Vedan » Mon Aug 03, 2020 5:19 pm

Not all cops are racist. But some of them are. You cant really generalize all members of law enforcement as "racist" or "not racist". It boils down to the individual.

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Postby Solvokina » Mon Aug 03, 2020 5:40 pm

Vassenor wrote:
Agarntrop wrote:Protests only spread diseases when i disagree with them :roll:


Right, how dare the evidence show there's been no spikes from these protests.

"Evidence". If you learn how corona is spread you'd know public gatherings in this cesspool of protests is a bad idea.

inb4 "source", to that I say stop being a sheep to the media and learn to think for yourself
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Postby Kowani » Mon Aug 03, 2020 5:50 pm

Solvokina wrote:
Vassenor wrote:
Right, how dare the evidence show there's been no spikes from these protests.

"Evidence". If you learn how corona is spread you'd know public gatherings in this cesspool of protests is a bad idea.

inb4 "source", to that I say stop being a sheep to the media and learn to think for yourself

Ironically, Vass posted a scientific study, and based on how bad journalists are at understanding science in general, I’d say they are very different creatures.
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Postby The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp » Mon Aug 03, 2020 5:57 pm

Body cam footage of his arrest came in. It changes nothing, but does show he was threatened with a gun while sort of resisting arrest? Lots of missinformation being spread now too, it was the cops that murdered him not the drugs in his body.

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Postby Solvokina » Mon Aug 03, 2020 5:58 pm

The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp wrote:Body cam footage of his arrest came in. It changes nothing, but does show he was threatened with a gun while sort of resisting arrest? Lots of missinformation being spread now too, it was the cops that murdered him not the drugs in his body.

What is this about?
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Postby The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp » Mon Aug 03, 2020 6:03 pm

Solvokina wrote:
The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp wrote:Body cam footage of his arrest came in. It changes nothing, but does show he was threatened with a gun while sort of resisting arrest? Lots of missinformation being spread now too, it was the cops that murdered him not the drugs in his body.

What is this about?

Floyd's arrest.

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Postby Solvokina » Mon Aug 03, 2020 6:04 pm

The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp wrote:
Solvokina wrote:What is this about?

Floyd's arrest.

Alright but who said he died from intoxication?
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Postby The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp » Mon Aug 03, 2020 6:05 pm

Solvokina wrote:
The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp wrote:Floyd's arrest.

Alright but who said he died from intoxication?

Morons in youtube comments.

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Postby Kowani » Mon Aug 03, 2020 6:10 pm

The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp wrote:
Solvokina wrote:Alright but who said he died from intoxication?

Morons in youtube comments.

But none of them are here.
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Postby Neanderthaland » Mon Aug 03, 2020 6:14 pm

Kowani wrote:
The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp wrote:Morons in youtube comments.

But none of them are here.

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Postby Borderlands of Rojava » Mon Aug 03, 2020 8:50 pm

https://www.oregonlive.com/news/2020/08 ... video.html

Looks like Portland police officers assaulted a disabled woman surprise surprise. I'm sure no one expected a group of law enforcement officers in the United States to stoop so low and act so out of control but they did it.
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Postby Alcala-Cordel » Mon Aug 03, 2020 8:56 pm

Borderlands of Rojava wrote:https://www.oregonlive.com/news/2020/08/portland-police-smash-window-slash-tires-of-womans-prius-during-protest-dustup-video.html

Looks like Portland police officers assaulted a disabled woman surprise surprise. I'm sure no one expected a group of cops in the United States to stoop so low and act so out of control but they did it.

I certainly hope nobody opposes holding them accountable... no one would deny their obvious systemic corruption, right?
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Postby Borderlands of Rojava » Mon Aug 03, 2020 8:58 pm

Alcala-Cordel wrote:
Borderlands of Rojava wrote:https://www.oregonlive.com/news/2020/08/portland-police-smash-window-slash-tires-of-womans-prius-during-protest-dustup-video.html

Looks like Portland police officers assaulted a disabled woman surprise surprise. I'm sure no one expected a group of cops in the United States to stoop so low and act so out of control but they did it.

I certainly hope nobody opposes holding them accountable... no one would deny their obvious systemic corruption, right?


According to some, if we keep shoveling more money their way, things will change.

We can't defund the police at all even a bit I guess.
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Postby Tourais » Mon Aug 03, 2020 10:59 pm

The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp wrote:
Solvokina wrote:Alright but who said he died from intoxication?

Morons in youtube comments.

They purposely try to tip-toe around the reason why he actually died. Are they trying to say he would've died the same day if that cop weren't kneeling on his neck?
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Postby Nobel Hobos 2 » Mon Aug 03, 2020 11:21 pm

Neanderthaland wrote:
Kowani wrote:But none of them are here.

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Likewise, we could avoid attracting aforementioned morons by using a codeword, like "yout*be" ...
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Postby Borderlands of Rojava » Tue Aug 04, 2020 5:53 am

Tourais wrote:
The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp wrote:Morons in youtube comments.

They purposely try to tip-toe around the reason why he actually died. Are they trying to say he would've died the same day if that cop weren't kneeling on his neck?


Bigotry aint the same as it used to be. Back in the day anyone who didn't like you for your race would call you a slur, maybe try and kill you. Those folks are still around but far more do this underhanded shit where they claim they're not racist but then always assume the black guy killed by police was a criminal, or support things like a ban on Muslim immigration to the US. I'm not saying that 100% of the people making excuses for the murder of George Floyd are anti-black racists, but I wouldn't be surprised if most of them are.
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Postby Qabea » Tue Aug 04, 2020 7:28 am

>Leaked Officer Kueng bodycam footage.
>Leaked Officer Lane bodycam footage.

Going to drop this here if it hasn't already been posed. Looks really good for these officers.
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Postby Vassenor » Tue Aug 04, 2020 7:29 am

Qabea wrote:>Leaked Officer Kueng bodycam footage.
>Leaked Officer Lane bodycam footage.

Going to drop this here if it hasn't already been posed. Looks really good for these officers.


How? Explain what the links show rather than dumping and running.
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Postby Qabea » Tue Aug 04, 2020 7:30 am

Vassenor wrote:
Qabea wrote:>Leaked Officer Kueng bodycam footage.
>Leaked Officer Lane bodycam footage.

Going to drop this here if it hasn't already been posed. Looks really good for these officers.


How? Explain what the links show rather than dumping and running.

It's not up for me to interpret, watch it yourself and form your own opinion. I think it looks good from the defense standpoint especially when paired with the medical examiner's report, that's as far as I plan to go.
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Postby Vassenor » Tue Aug 04, 2020 7:32 am

Qabea wrote:
Vassenor wrote:
How? Explain what the links show rather than dumping and running.

It's not up for me to interpret, watch it yourself and form your own opinion. I think it looks good from the defense standpoint especially when paired with the medical examiner's report, that's as far as I plan to go.


So you want us to build your argument for you. That's usually a sign your argument is fucking weak.
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Postby Qabea » Tue Aug 04, 2020 7:35 am

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Qabea wrote:It's not up for me to interpret, watch it yourself and form your own opinion. I think it looks good from the defense standpoint especially when paired with the medical examiner's report, that's as far as I plan to go.


So you want us to build your argument for you. That's usually a sign your argument is fucking weak.

That's exactly my point. Why should I have to watch the tape for you and then sit here for an hour arguing my interpretation? Go watch it yourself.
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Postby Ifreann » Tue Aug 04, 2020 7:38 am

Qabea wrote:
Vassenor wrote:
So you want us to build your argument for you. That's usually a sign your argument is fucking weak.

That's exactly my point. Why should I have to watch the tape for you and then sit here for an hour arguing my interpretation? Go watch it yourself.

This isn't a video sharing website, it's a debate and discussion forum. If you aren't going to argue for your own position then you have probably come to the wrong place.
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Postby Vassenor » Tue Aug 04, 2020 7:49 am

Qabea wrote:
Vassenor wrote:
So you want us to build your argument for you. That's usually a sign your argument is fucking weak.

That's exactly my point. Why should I have to watch the tape for you and then sit here for an hour arguing my interpretation? Go watch it yourself.


Saying you don't want to engage in debate on a debate forum is also a sign your position is weak.
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Postby Cannot think of a name » Tue Aug 04, 2020 8:03 am

Qabea wrote:
Vassenor wrote:
How? Explain what the links show rather than dumping and running.

It's not up for me to interpret,

Except you already did. You said it 'looked really good for these officers' That's an interpretation. What's missing is why you think it looks good for these officers. You already interpreted the video, you just bitched out when you had to do the real work of backing up your interpretation.
Qabea wrote: watch it yourself and form your own opinion. I think it looks good from the defense standpoint especially when paired with the medical examiner's report, that's as far as I plan to go.

See, here you do it again. You're not 'letting us interpret it for ourselves.' We don't need your permission to do that, we're gonna. We were looking for what your actual argument was and what it was based on. But you are unwilling to provide even a halfassed defense of your interpretation, making one wonder why you bothered. The videos are widely available, we all could see them. You have provided nothing and wasted everyone's time.
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Postby Galloism » Tue Aug 04, 2020 8:05 am

Vassenor wrote:
Qabea wrote:>Leaked Officer Kueng bodycam footage.
>Leaked Officer Lane bodycam footage.

Going to drop this here if it hasn't already been posed. Looks really good for these officers.


How? Explain what the links show rather than dumping and running.

Basically, they arrested him, tried to get him in the police car, he fought them. As they tried to get him into the vehicle, he started yelling he can't breathe (even before anyone had touched his neck or anything). Once they finally got him into the car, he suddenly shifted wrestling direction and jumped out the other side hitting the officer with his body as a projectile. He continued yelling he couldn't breathe throughout, even without any breathing constriction being done. He was extremely agitated, and they couldn't complete the arrest with him in that state.

It appears then they used the suppression technique in an attempt to calm him (not a good idea - a lot of police departments have barred that particular maneuver for a reason - an unacceptably high death rate -, but not in minneapolis), so they could complete the arrest.

Basically, it looks like a severe fuck up from the police trying to subdue someone who was making it particularly hard to be subdued. It does explain why they didn't respond to the "I can't breathe" statements - he had been saying that from the moment they tried putting him in the car.
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