US Anti-Police Protests and Riots Thread II

[Necroghastia]

Are some LEO racist? Probably. Are all LEO racist? No they are not. Those rioters better stop rioting and attacking federal property or the president will be forced to declare martial law and send the military in. Everyday the Left doesn't denounce these riots is increasing President Trump's chances of winning reelection. TRUMP 2020 MAGA KAG!!!!!!

Did some rats and fleas cause the Plague? Yes. Did all rats and fleas do it? Nope.

That does not stop people from connecting them, nor should it.

also how are you supposed to kag and maga at the same time the latter states that you havent accomplished the thing that would involve "keeping" it that way sooooo

[Uiiop]

Oh, sure, they were just being pulled off the streets by unidentified thugs in unmarked vans for little/no reason. That's wayyyyy different.

Wheres the proof?

https://gothamist.com/news/video-shows- ... marked-van

https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2 ... l-arrests/

[Anti Defense League]

Wheres the proof?

https://gothamist.com/news/video-shows- ... marked-van

https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2 ... l-arrests/

So self reporting, no independent confirmation?

Edit: It should be pretty obvious how disingenuous it is to post the NYPD putting some in a marked van after an arrest as proof of Federal agents doing in Portland

[American Pere Housh]

Are some LEO racist? Probably. Are all LEO racist? No they are not. Those rioters better stop rioting and attacking federal property or the president will be forced to declare martial law and send the military in. Everyday the Left doesn't denounce these riots is increasing President Trump's chances of winning reelection. TRUMP 2020 MAGA KAG!!!!!!

Did some rats and fleas cause the Plague? Yes. Did all rats and fleas do it? Nope.

That does not stop people from connecting the two, nor should it.

also how are you supposed to kag and maga at the same time the latter states that you havent accomplished the thing that would involve "keeping" it that way sooooo

Tell me Necro, have you met every single LEO in the United States? The Left has been calling every LEO that is a minority a racist and that is a big problem. If you wish for higher crime rates and anarchy then defund the police but if you wish for law and order the support the police.

[Eucadian Federation]

I used to work in LE. I can tell you right now that I've come across quite a few bad officers, but I've always reported their actions or intervened on behalf of my clients (I worked at a detox center ran by the local sheriff's office). My report on one officer led to his firing, especially because he was already known as a very aggressive and overly-punitive individual.

Defunding the police is kind of a catch 22. You can't simultaneously demand certain reforms that would require extra funding (such as longer/more trainings, more equipment that holds officers accountable like body cams, etc) and also demand that we reduce their funding. On the other side of things, it should be recognized that there are plenty of systemic issues rooted in law enforcement agencies across the nation that need to be confronted, removed, and in some cases, agencies will need to be completely rebuilt.

However, policing communities and community safety are hand-in-hand. If law enforcement funding is taking up the majority of the city budget, while other social programs (homeless shelters, after school programs, etc, things that have actually been proven time and time again to reduce crime) are being neglected, then you have a multi-faceted issue that requires a multi-faceted approach/solution.

I've never agreed with the notion that all cops are bad and I despise it when some people say "Fuck 12" and in the same breath demand law enforcement come to their aid when they need it. As someone who is primarily Native American, and part black and part white, the racial part of policing is very much a real issue, but it's also multi-faceted. You can't say "Police are targeting Native Americans." when back in my hometown, Native Americans make up the majority of the homeless community, the majority are impoverished or a paycheck away from being so, a large portion lack a middle/high school, let alone college, education, on top of various health issues, suffering from addiction and mental health problems, as well as not being properly supported by their community. And so because crime, poverty, addiction, and lack of education all go hand in hand, and unfortunately disproportionally affects members of the Native community, you're surprised that Native Americans make up a significant number of inmates at the jail? You're in shock that Native Americans have more run ins with law enforcement than any other ethnic group? They're not being targeted specifically (as in an officer just doesn't get in his car and says "I'm gonna go arrest some natives today), no, Native Americans, and arguably other ethnic minorities, are suffering from institutional/systemic problems that also require immediate addressing and change; police are just one part of a very significant social issue in the United States.

Lastly, I've come to the conclusion that there is no right or wrong way to protest (so long as no crime is being committed). I think we all want the same thing: the freedoms and rights that are guaranteed to us and we want them all to apply equitably across the board, which in turn leads to an equal and fair society.

[Uiiop]

https://gothamist.com/news/video-shows- ... marked-van

https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2 ... l-arrests/

So self reporting, no independent confirmation?

Edit: It should be pretty obvious how disingenuous it is to post the NYPD putting some in a marked van after an arrest as proof of Federal agents doing in Portland

I interpreted that statement you made was asking about it in general. It's not disingenuous you just weren't clear.
Anyways:
https://www.cnn.com/2020/07/18/us/portl ... index.html
https://www.opb.org/news/article/federa ... 4w.twitter
Here's the one for the specific location you asked.

[Necroghastia]

Did some rats and fleas cause the Plague? Yes. Did all rats and fleas do it? Nope.

That does not stop people from connecting the two, nor should it.

also how are you supposed to kag and maga at the same time the latter states that you havent accomplished the thing that would involve "keeping" it that way sooooo

Tell me Necro, have you met every single LEO in the United States? The Left has been calling every LEO that is a minority a racist and that is a big problem.

god i love the irony of complaining about how "the left" is painting cops with a broad brush when you do the exact same thing in the next sentence

If you wish for higher crime rates and anarchy then defund the police but if you wish for law and order the support the police.

[Anti Defense League]

So self reporting, no independent confirmation?

Edit: It should be pretty obvious how disingenuous it is to post the NYPD putting some in a marked van after an arrest as proof of Federal agents doing in Portland

I interpreted that statement you made was asking about it in general. It's not disingenuous you just weren't clear.
Anyways:
https://www.cnn.com/2020/07/18/us/portl ... index.html
https://www.opb.org/news/article/federa ... 4w.twitter
Here's the one for the specific location you asked.

Given the post I was responding to, and you quoted, was about Portland, the confusion was on your end; please do not shift blame to your own knee jerk reactions. As for the specific claims:

Video shot by O’Shea and provided to OPB shows a dark screen as O’Shea narrates the scene. Metadata from the video confirms the time and place of the protesters' account.

“Feds are driving around, grabbing people off the streets,” O’Shea said on the video. “I didn’t do anything fucking wrong. I’m recording this. I had to let somebody know that this is what happens.”

As I said, no evidence; it should be pretty obvious how shady this whole claim is.

[Necroghastia]

I interpreted that statement you made was asking about it in general. It's not disingenuous you just weren't clear.
Anyways:
https://www.cnn.com/2020/07/18/us/portl ... index.html
https://www.opb.org/news/article/federa ... 4w.twitter
Here's the one for the specific location you asked.

Given the post I was responding to, and you quoted, was about Portland, the confusion was on your end; please do not shift blame to your own knee jerk reactions. As for the specific claims:

Video shot by O’Shea and provided to OPB shows a dark screen as O’Shea narrates the scene. Metadata from the video confirms the time and place of the protesters' account.

“Feds are driving around, grabbing people off the streets,” O’Shea said on the video. “I didn’t do anything fucking wrong. I’m recording this. I had to let somebody know that this is what happens.”

As I said, no evidence; it should be pretty obvious how shady this whole claim is.

just gonna completely ignore the other link that actually has video, huh?
pretty expected ngl

[Anti Defense League]

Given the post I was responding to, and you quoted, was about Portland, the confusion was on your end; please do not shift blame to your own knee jerk reactions. As for the specific claims:



As I said, no evidence; it should be pretty obvious how shady this whole claim is.

just gonna completely ignore the other link that actually has video, huh?
pretty expected ngl

Maybe because it's unverified and comes from a Twitter account lol? Or the fact they didn't put handcuffs on him, so it was pretty clearly an informant extraction?

[Necroghastia]

just gonna completely ignore the other link that actually has video, huh?
pretty expected ngl

Maybe because it's unverified and comes from a Twitter account lol? Or the fact they didn't put handcuffs on him, so it was pretty clearly an informant extraction?

I can't even tell what kind of "justification" you're going for with that first sentence, nor can you substantiate the claim you're making with the second.

[Shazbotdom]

Are some LEO racist? Probably. Are all LEO racist? No they are not. Those rioters better stop rioting and attacking federal property or the president will be forced to declare martial law and send the military in. Everyday the Left doesn't denounce these riots is increasing President Trump's chances of winning reelection. TRUMP 2020 MAGA KAG!!!!!!

Kayliegh got an account, y'all.

Be nice to her or Trump will try and ban Nationstates.

[Anti Defense League]

Maybe because it's unverified and comes from a Twitter account lol? Or the fact they didn't put handcuffs on him, so it was pretty clearly an informant extraction?

I can't even tell what kind of "justification" you're going for with that first sentence, nor can you substantiate the claim you're making with the second.

The only "proof" I've seen so far is all the news articles referring to the same individuals or showing this tweet; we have no context for the tweet to prove its veracity. As for the second, explain to me why they didn't cuff him and why the guy in question hasn't spoken out since.

[Genivaria]

just gonna completely ignore the other link that actually has video, huh?
pretty expected ngl

Maybe because it's unverified and comes from a Twitter account lol? Or the fact they didn't put handcuffs on him, so it was pretty clearly an informant extraction?

*claims something didn't happen, uses no sources*
*demands proof for claims that thing did happen*
*gets multiple sources for claims and ignores all of them*
*makes counter-claim again without sources*

Yeah this sounds about right for Summer.

[Anti Defense League]

Maybe because it's unverified and comes from a Twitter account lol? Or the fact they didn't put handcuffs on him, so it was pretty clearly an informant extraction?

*claims something didn't happen, uses no sources*
*demands proof for claims that thing did happen*
*gets multiple sources for claims and ignores all of them*
*makes counter-claim again without sources*

Yeah this sounds about right for Summer.

It's okay to admit you're uninformed on the subject, Genivaria.

[Alcala-Cordel]

*claims something didn't happen, uses no sources*
*demands proof for claims that thing did happen*
*gets multiple sources for claims and ignores all of them*
*makes counter-claim again without sources*

Yeah this sounds about right for Summer.

It's okay to admit you're uninformed on the subject, Genivaria.

This applies to you as well, Genivaria just wants some counterevidence and you refuse to provide anything that proves them wrong.

[Vassenor]

*claims something didn't happen, uses no sources*
*demands proof for claims that thing did happen*
*gets multiple sources for claims and ignores all of them*
*makes counter-claim again without sources*

Yeah this sounds about right for Summer.

It's okay to admit you're uninformed on the subject, Genivaria.

It's also OK to admit that you're moving the goalposts just so you don't have to admit to being wrong.

[Anti Defense League]

It's okay to admit you're uninformed on the subject, Genivaria.

This applies to you as well, Genivaria just wants some counterevidence and you refuse to provide anything that proves them wrong.

I'm not required to make his argument for him lol; I asked another poster, not him, a question and Genivaria jumped in. Look up the term "burden of proof".

[Anti Defense League]

It's okay to admit you're uninformed on the subject, Genivaria.

It's also OK to admit that you're moving the goalposts just so you don't have to admit to being wrong.

Good thing I'm not, right?

[Anti Defense League]

Leaving aside the matter of what, exactly, occurred in Portland, I'm completely okay with abolishing the police.

[Vassenor]

It's also OK to admit that you're moving the goalposts just so you don't have to admit to being wrong.

Good thing I'm not, right?

Because sticking your fingers in your ears and singing loudly when presented with sources you don't like is totally better than trying to reframe the argument so you don't have to address the fact they don't mesh with your claims?

[Anti Defense League]

Good thing I'm not, right?

Because sticking your fingers in your ears and singing loudly when presented with sources you don't like is totally better than trying to reframe the argument so you don't have to address the fact they don't mesh with your claims?

Which never happened.

[Vassenor]

Because sticking your fingers in your ears and singing loudly when presented with sources you don't like is totally better than trying to reframe the argument so you don't have to address the fact they don't mesh with your claims?

Which never happened.

Apart from all the times you complained about videos showing the things you claimed never happened purely because they were posted to someone's Twitter.

[Nobel Hobos 2]

Leaving aside the matter of what, exactly, occurred in Portland, I'm completely okay with abolishing the police.

Well you're broadly on our side, which is good. You are however out on the fringe with Ifreann. "Abolish" is the logical extreme of what should be done to police!

[Anti Defense League]

Which never happened.

Apart from all the times you complained about videos showing the things you claimed never happened purely because they were posted to someone's Twitter.

Prove it then.