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Are the police racist?

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No
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Postby Australian rePublic » Thu Jul 30, 2020 5:56 am

La xinga wrote:
Australian rePublic wrote:What are you talking about? There are plenty of non-ethno states. For example, Australia, Canada, etc. They don't have the same kind of problems that America does. If you think that America is the only ethnostate, you've never been to Australia

I said America's one of the only NON-ethno-states.

America was more or less UK's prison, so it makes sense it's next prison would be a melting pot too.
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Postby Ifreann » Thu Jul 30, 2020 5:56 am

La xinga wrote:
Ifreann wrote:Yes. America blasts is news all over the world for everyone to hear. It's no wonder you can't hear the news from other countries.

There are many Chinese ethnicities. And German isn't an ethnicity at all. And every other country in the Americas, just like the US, obviously has many ethnicities, because there were already lots of different peoples living there before Europeans showed up.

1. Rlly?

Really.
2. But they all live together, China has a nice majority of Han Chinese, and the people living in Germany live like, right there. America is a melting pot of different ethnicities!

Germany also has people of different ethnicities. Lots of Turkish people, for example, moved to Germany because of their Gastarbeiter program.
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Postby Nobel Hobos 2 » Thu Jul 30, 2020 5:59 am

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Alt-Right Death Squads wrote:It would also be accurate, as not all lives can actually matter; if all lives mattered, then obviously no live could have an value. Do black rapist lives matter, do black murderer lives matter, how about the lives of black drive-by(ers)... Because for some reason that last group loves shooting 5-year-olds in my city. Do these black lives matter, no, they do not; these black lives do not matter whatsoever. I'd make the same augment to anyone who honestly believes all lives matter, as such a person values the lives of others as or with little to nothing. ALM only real purpose is to counter the vailed assertions of BLM without having to actually negate it's most immediate premise; as a saying it does this with expert precision and I recommend all living beings retort with ALM to BLM.

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It's not equally easy for everyone to be "law abiding". The bad neighbourhood offers less as an alternative to doing crime, mental illness affects judgement of what even is a crime, and most of all there is family upbringing. Some kids don't have good impulse control, estimation of risks and rewards, and other rational skills that would keep them away from crime. Through no fault of their own, they just never learned those skills from parents or teachers.
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Postby La Xinga » Thu Jul 30, 2020 6:01 am

Ifreann wrote:
La xinga wrote:1. Rlly?

Really.
2. But they all live together, China has a nice majority of Han Chinese, and the people living in Germany live like, right there. America is a melting pot of different ethnicities!

Germany also has people of different ethnicities. Lots of Turkish people, for example, moved to Germany because of their Gastarbeiter program.

IDK, I searched up "Who makes up the biggest ethnicity in Germany?" And the answer was: "Germans."

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Postby La Xinga » Thu Jul 30, 2020 6:02 am

Australian rePublic wrote:
La xinga wrote:I said America's one of the only NON-ethno-states.

America was more or less UK's prison, so it makes sense it's next prison would be a melting pot too.

Why are you quoting nothing?

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Postby Nobel Hobos 2 » Thu Jul 30, 2020 6:05 am

La xinga wrote:
Australian rePublic wrote:

Why are you quoting nothing?


ArP bolded and underlined a sentence. I think that's meant to mean you missed the point?
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Postby Ifreann » Thu Jul 30, 2020 6:10 am

Anyway, leaving aside this bizarre diversion:

The police are basically a gang and you should really abolish them.
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Postby Nobel Hobos 2 » Thu Jul 30, 2020 6:10 am

I do think "news from America" suffers by it being such a big country. Bad stuff like mass shootings make the news every time, but it's only because of the scale of population that they appear as an ongoing problem.

If Australia had a rioting problem right now, it wouldn't appear all that big. Because we only have three, maybe four, cities big enough to be centers of rioting. And with less than a tenth of the US's population, riots could go a week or more without even one person being killed.
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Postby Greed and Death » Thu Jul 30, 2020 6:15 am

Ifreann wrote:Anyway, leaving aside this bizarre diversion:

The police are basically a gang and you should really abolish them.


Do you want to be swatted or kidnapped by the Trumpstapo ? Because saying stuff like that is how you get swatted or kidnapped by the Trumpstapo.
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Postby Ifreann » Thu Jul 30, 2020 6:17 am

Greed and Death wrote:
Ifreann wrote:Anyway, leaving aside this bizarre diversion:

The police are basically a gang and you should really abolish them.


Do you want to be swatted or kidnapped by the Trumpstapo ? Because saying stuff like that is how you get swatted or kidnapped by the Trumpstapo.

As long as they buy plenty of souvenirs.
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Postby Vassenor » Thu Jul 30, 2020 6:19 am

Looks like the force behind the baton rounds is being inched up and it's punching through helmets now.

Never mind that they're not supposed to be fired directly anyway.

But clearly the protesters are equally violent and this is justified somehow because facts and logic and reasons. :roll:
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Postby Ifreann » Thu Jul 30, 2020 6:27 am

Vassenor wrote:Looks like the force behind the baton rounds is being inched up and it's punching through helmets now.

Never mind that they're not supposed to be fired directly anyway.

But clearly the protesters are equally violent and this is justified somehow because facts and logic and reasons. :roll:

If the federal secret police don't brain people with "less-lethal" munitions then they might continue protesting!
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Postby Greed and Death » Thu Jul 30, 2020 6:28 am

Vassenor wrote:Looks like the force behind the baton rounds is being inched up and it's punching through helmets now.

Never mind that they're not supposed to be fired directly anyway.

But clearly the protesters are equally violent and this is justified somehow because facts and logic and reasons. :roll:



Keep beating until the protesters fight back. Then its live rounds and killing in the streets. The country gets mad at protesters protecting themselves!

So it is all going according to the police plan then ?
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Postby Pilipinas and Malaya » Thu Jul 30, 2020 7:14 am

Vassenor wrote:Looks like the force behind the baton rounds is being inched up and it's punching through helmets now.

Never mind that they're not supposed to be fired directly anyway.

But clearly the protesters are equally violent and this is justified somehow because facts and logic and reasons. :roll:


Did not understand their reason for classifying homemade shields as weapons either. Sounds like some police/feds are looking for excuses to take down or arrest people.
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Postby Centai Mal » Thu Jul 30, 2020 11:48 am

Pilipinas and Malaya wrote:
Vassenor wrote:Looks like the force behind the baton rounds is being inched up and it's punching through helmets now.

Never mind that they're not supposed to be fired directly anyway.

But clearly the protesters are equally violent and this is justified somehow because facts and logic and reasons. :roll:


Did not understand their reason for classifying homemade shields as weapons either. Sounds like some police/feds are looking for excuses to take down or arrest people.

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Postby Alcala-Cordel » Thu Jul 30, 2020 1:18 pm

Pilipinas and Malaya wrote:
Vassenor wrote:Looks like the force behind the baton rounds is being inched up and it's punching through helmets now.

Never mind that they're not supposed to be fired directly anyway.

But clearly the protesters are equally violent and this is justified somehow because facts and logic and reasons. :roll:


Did not understand their reason for classifying homemade shields as weapons either. Sounds like some police/feds are looking for excuses to take down or arrest people.

Of course, they're always looking for excuses to "defend themselves"
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Postby Kowani » Thu Jul 30, 2020 1:37 pm

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Postby Neutraligon » Thu Jul 30, 2020 1:49 pm

Ifreann wrote:
La xinga wrote:1. America is very loud?

Yes. America blasts is news all over the world for everyone to hear. It's no wonder you can't hear the news from other countries.
2. With Canada, America and Canada are practically the only big countries that have no set ethnicity. China has the Chinese, Germany has the Germans, America is a melting pot with different types of people everywhere.

There are many Chinese ethnicities. And German isn't an ethnicity at all. And every other country in the Americas, just like the US, obviously has many ethnicities, because there were already lots of different peoples living there before Europeans showed up.

Add Australia to that
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Postby Greed and Death » Thu Jul 30, 2020 1:55 pm

Kowani wrote:The LAPD is being charged with having falsified gang records, putting 750 cases in jeopardy.


Since when has the LAPD had a record of violence? Next you will tell me they were on video brutalizing a handcuffed person that set off riots.
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Postby Aureumterra » Thu Jul 30, 2020 3:32 pm

Ifreann wrote:There are many Chinese ethnicities.

90% of China is Han Chinese. China is more Chinese than Norway is Norwegian
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Postby Greed and Death » Thu Jul 30, 2020 3:35 pm

Aureumterra wrote:
Ifreann wrote:There are many Chinese ethnicities.

90% of China is Han Chinese. China is more Chinese than Norway is Norwegian


Han Chinese have many sub groups.
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Postby Cisairse » Thu Jul 30, 2020 4:40 pm

Lanoraie II wrote:
Cisairse wrote:Police, as an institution, are racist. By being a member of that institution, a police officer is perpetuating that racism, and thus is racist regardless of what their personal beliefs are.


Well that's a pretty bold and baseless statement. Have you ever considered that there's officers, judges, COs okay let's face it, not COs, they're all twats, lawyers, etc. actively trying to make change and reroute the way the system works? No, you haven't, because you don't care to think about that possibility. You demand change but don't want anyone who knows the police life to make that change because they're rACiSt for being a police officer. And if you're so hell bent on calling everything racist, then fine, cool. Guess I'm racist. Are you happy now? Do you feel better? Do you feel like you've done something meaningful? Or is your job done now?


Obviously not, because I don't seek to throw names around. That's not what I want to see done. What I want to see done is police abolition.

Lanoraie II wrote:Individual officers are not perpetuating racism by being police officers. Anything to do with prosecution goes to the judge or lawmakers. We have nothing to do with it UNLESS we are actively being racist, or trying to get laws and SOPs changed to better benefit vulnerable communities; i.e. sending only police officers to deal with suicidal people. It's a medical emergency, should have EMS there first with police only stepping in if there's weapons involved.

By participating in and helping enforce a racist system, every member of that system is racist. This is not too difficult to understand.
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Postby Nobel Hobos 2 » Thu Jul 30, 2020 6:39 pm



Your rabidly biased article doesn't even mention what is supposed to be offensive about the name "Trader Joe's"

If the reason for the petition doesn't even bear mentioning, it follows that the chain's decision doesn't bear mentioning either.
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Postby Shazbotdom » Thu Jul 30, 2020 6:42 pm


Trader Joe's Leadership were the ones who were debating on changing the names, they were never pressured until after they announced that they may do it. And I wouldn't consider "RedState" a reliable news source as it has a heavy heavy right-wing bias.
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