US Anti-Police Protests and Riots Thread II

[Gravlen]

An Army National Guard commander who witnessed protesters forcibly removed from Lafayette Square last month is contradicting claims by the attorney general and the Trump administration that they did not speed up the clearing to make way for the president’s photo opportunity minutes later.

A new statement by Adam DeMarco, an Iraq veteran who now serves as a major in the D.C. National Guard, also casts doubt on the claims by acting Park Police Chief Gregory Monahan that violence by protesters spurred Park Police to clear the area at that time with unusually aggressive tactics. DeMarco said that “demonstrators were behaving peacefully” and that tear gas was deployed in an “excessive use of force.”

DeMarco said he was coming forward “to help ensure that there is a fair factual record of what happened at Lafayette Square, based on what I saw and experienced first-hand.” He said that, having served in a combat zone and having experience in assessing threats, “at no time did I feel threatened by the protesters or assess them to be violent … From my observation, these demonstrators — our fellow American citizens — were engaged in the peaceful expression of their First Amendment rights. Yet they were subjected to an unprovoked escalation and excessive use of force.”

Grijalva said DeMarco’s testimony showed “the discomfort the military has with policing against the American citizen. This was a political stunt at the expense of the protesters and at the expense of the reputations of the National Guard and the police.”

National Guard commander says police suddenly moved on Lafayette Square protesters, used ‘excessive force’ before Trump visit

DeMarco will be testifying Tuesday before the House Natural Resources Committee on Tuesday.

[Ifreann]

An Army National Guard commander who witnessed protesters forcibly removed from Lafayette Square last month is contradicting claims by the attorney general and the Trump administration that they did not speed up the clearing to make way for the president’s photo opportunity minutes later.

A new statement by Adam DeMarco, an Iraq veteran who now serves as a major in the D.C. National Guard, also casts doubt on the claims by acting Park Police Chief Gregory Monahan that violence by protesters spurred Park Police to clear the area at that time with unusually aggressive tactics. DeMarco said that “demonstrators were behaving peacefully” and that tear gas was deployed in an “excessive use of force.”

DeMarco said he was coming forward “to help ensure that there is a fair factual record of what happened at Lafayette Square, based on what I saw and experienced first-hand.” He said that, having served in a combat zone and having experience in assessing threats, “at no time did I feel threatened by the protesters or assess them to be violent … From my observation, these demonstrators — our fellow American citizens — were engaged in the peaceful expression of their First Amendment rights. Yet they were subjected to an unprovoked escalation and excessive use of force.”

Grijalva said DeMarco’s testimony showed “the discomfort the military has with policing against the American citizen. This was a political stunt at the expense of the protesters and at the expense of the reputations of the National Guard and the police.”

National Guard commander says police suddenly moved on Lafayette Square protesters, used ‘excessive force’ before Trump visit

DeMarco will be testifying Tuesday before the House Natural Resources Committee on Tuesday.

Can Trump fire members of the DC National Guard? I guess we'll find out soon.

[Galloism]

An Army National Guard commander who witnessed protesters forcibly removed from Lafayette Square last month is contradicting claims by the attorney general and the Trump administration that they did not speed up the clearing to make way for the president’s photo opportunity minutes later.

A new statement by Adam DeMarco, an Iraq veteran who now serves as a major in the D.C. National Guard, also casts doubt on the claims by acting Park Police Chief Gregory Monahan that violence by protesters spurred Park Police to clear the area at that time with unusually aggressive tactics. DeMarco said that “demonstrators were behaving peacefully” and that tear gas was deployed in an “excessive use of force.”

DeMarco said he was coming forward “to help ensure that there is a fair factual record of what happened at Lafayette Square, based on what I saw and experienced first-hand.” He said that, having served in a combat zone and having experience in assessing threats, “at no time did I feel threatened by the protesters or assess them to be violent … From my observation, these demonstrators — our fellow American citizens — were engaged in the peaceful expression of their First Amendment rights. Yet they were subjected to an unprovoked escalation and excessive use of force.”

Grijalva said DeMarco’s testimony showed “the discomfort the military has with policing against the American citizen. This was a political stunt at the expense of the protesters and at the expense of the reputations of the National Guard and the police.”

National Guard commander says police suddenly moved on Lafayette Square protesters, used ‘excessive force’ before Trump visit

DeMarco will be testifying Tuesday before the House Natural Resources Committee on Tuesday.

I'm telling you, I recognize America less and less these days Gravlen.

There need to be all manner of lawsuits and charges and arrests around the way things have been handled.

[Gormwood]

An Army National Guard commander who witnessed protesters forcibly removed from Lafayette Square last month is contradicting claims by the attorney general and the Trump administration that they did not speed up the clearing to make way for the president’s photo opportunity minutes later.

A new statement by Adam DeMarco, an Iraq veteran who now serves as a major in the D.C. National Guard, also casts doubt on the claims by acting Park Police Chief Gregory Monahan that violence by protesters spurred Park Police to clear the area at that time with unusually aggressive tactics. DeMarco said that “demonstrators were behaving peacefully” and that tear gas was deployed in an “excessive use of force.”

DeMarco said he was coming forward “to help ensure that there is a fair factual record of what happened at Lafayette Square, based on what I saw and experienced first-hand.” He said that, having served in a combat zone and having experience in assessing threats, “at no time did I feel threatened by the protesters or assess them to be violent … From my observation, these demonstrators — our fellow American citizens — were engaged in the peaceful expression of their First Amendment rights. Yet they were subjected to an unprovoked escalation and excessive use of force.”

Grijalva said DeMarco’s testimony showed “the discomfort the military has with policing against the American citizen. This was a political stunt at the expense of the protesters and at the expense of the reputations of the National Guard and the police.”

National Guard commander says police suddenly moved on Lafayette Square protesters, used ‘excessive force’ before Trump visit

DeMarco will be testifying Tuesday before the House Natural Resources Committee on Tuesday.

Cue Twitter tantrum by Trump calling for DeMarco to be discharged and then deported.

[Rojava Free State]

An Army National Guard commander who witnessed protesters forcibly removed from Lafayette Square last month is contradicting claims by the attorney general and the Trump administration that they did not speed up the clearing to make way for the president’s photo opportunity minutes later.

A new statement by Adam DeMarco, an Iraq veteran who now serves as a major in the D.C. National Guard, also casts doubt on the claims by acting Park Police Chief Gregory Monahan that violence by protesters spurred Park Police to clear the area at that time with unusually aggressive tactics. DeMarco said that “demonstrators were behaving peacefully” and that tear gas was deployed in an “excessive use of force.”

DeMarco said he was coming forward “to help ensure that there is a fair factual record of what happened at Lafayette Square, based on what I saw and experienced first-hand.” He said that, having served in a combat zone and having experience in assessing threats, “at no time did I feel threatened by the protesters or assess them to be violent … From my observation, these demonstrators — our fellow American citizens — were engaged in the peaceful expression of their First Amendment rights. Yet they were subjected to an unprovoked escalation and excessive use of force.”

Grijalva said DeMarco’s testimony showed “the discomfort the military has with policing against the American citizen. This was a political stunt at the expense of the protesters and at the expense of the reputations of the National Guard and the police.”

National Guard commander says police suddenly moved on Lafayette Square protesters, used ‘excessive force’ before Trump visit

DeMarco will be testifying Tuesday before the House Natural Resources Committee on Tuesday.

I feel bad for that guy. In a few days the DHS will probably take him away in a van too, and unlike the Portland protesters, you'll never see him again.

[Rojava Free State]

An Army National Guard commander who witnessed protesters forcibly removed from Lafayette Square last month is contradicting claims by the attorney general and the Trump administration that they did not speed up the clearing to make way for the president’s photo opportunity minutes later.

A new statement by Adam DeMarco, an Iraq veteran who now serves as a major in the D.C. National Guard, also casts doubt on the claims by acting Park Police Chief Gregory Monahan that violence by protesters spurred Park Police to clear the area at that time with unusually aggressive tactics. DeMarco said that “demonstrators were behaving peacefully” and that tear gas was deployed in an “excessive use of force.”

DeMarco said he was coming forward “to help ensure that there is a fair factual record of what happened at Lafayette Square, based on what I saw and experienced first-hand.” He said that, having served in a combat zone and having experience in assessing threats, “at no time did I feel threatened by the protesters or assess them to be violent … From my observation, these demonstrators — our fellow American citizens — were engaged in the peaceful expression of their First Amendment rights. Yet they were subjected to an unprovoked escalation and excessive use of force.”

Grijalva said DeMarco’s testimony showed “the discomfort the military has with policing against the American citizen. This was a political stunt at the expense of the protesters and at the expense of the reputations of the National Guard and the police.”

National Guard commander says police suddenly moved on Lafayette Square protesters, used ‘excessive force’ before Trump visit

DeMarco will be testifying Tuesday before the House Natural Resources Committee on Tuesday.

Cue Twitter tantrum by Trump calling for DeMarco to be discharged and then deported.

"I'm bombing Italy."

-Trump when DeMarco testifies

[Gravlen]

An Army National Guard commander who witnessed protesters forcibly removed from Lafayette Square last month is contradicting claims by the attorney general and the Trump administration that they did not speed up the clearing to make way for the president’s photo opportunity minutes later.

A new statement by Adam DeMarco, an Iraq veteran who now serves as a major in the D.C. National Guard, also casts doubt on the claims by acting Park Police Chief Gregory Monahan that violence by protesters spurred Park Police to clear the area at that time with unusually aggressive tactics. DeMarco said that “demonstrators were behaving peacefully” and that tear gas was deployed in an “excessive use of force.”

DeMarco said he was coming forward “to help ensure that there is a fair factual record of what happened at Lafayette Square, based on what I saw and experienced first-hand.” He said that, having served in a combat zone and having experience in assessing threats, “at no time did I feel threatened by the protesters or assess them to be violent … From my observation, these demonstrators — our fellow American citizens — were engaged in the peaceful expression of their First Amendment rights. Yet they were subjected to an unprovoked escalation and excessive use of force.”

Grijalva said DeMarco’s testimony showed “the discomfort the military has with policing against the American citizen. This was a political stunt at the expense of the protesters and at the expense of the reputations of the National Guard and the police.”

National Guard commander says police suddenly moved on Lafayette Square protesters, used ‘excessive force’ before Trump visit

DeMarco will be testifying Tuesday before the House Natural Resources Committee on Tuesday.

I'm telling you, I recognize America less and less these days Gravlen.

There need to be all manner of lawsuits and charges and arrests around the way things have been handled.

Yeah, there needs to be a reckoning. But even more than that, there needs to be a serious change. The system is fundamentally broken and/or corrupted on pretty much all levels, and people not only know it they accept it as a fact of life. The worst part, to my mind, is that many of the things we find outrageous seems to actually be there by design.

A downside to the whole "American exceptionalism" thing seems to be that it's difficult to imagine there being systems that work better than what we're seeing now, or making excuses for why sound solutions seen elsewhere couldn't work in the US. But regardless of where inspiration is found it all needs to be revised and rebuilt from the ground up, and that's not an easy proposition - especially in the age of hyperpartisanship and political cults.

[Rojava Free State]

I'm telling you, I recognize America less and less these days Gravlen.

There need to be all manner of lawsuits and charges and arrests around the way things have been handled.

Yeah, there needs to be a reckoning. But even more than that, there needs to be a serious change. The system is fundamentally broken and/or corrupted on pretty much all levels, and people not only know it they accept it as a fact of life. The worst part, to my mind, is that many of the things we find outrageous seems to actually be there by design.

A downside to the whole "American exceptionalism" thing seems to be that it's difficult to imagine there being systems that work better than what we're seeing now, or making excuses for why sound solutions seen elsewhere couldn't work in the US. But regardless of where inspiration is found it all needs to be revised and rebuilt from the ground up, and that's not an easy proposition - especially in the age of hyperpartisanship and political cults.

Sounds like the issue China had in the 1800s. "We're the best" they said as their ports were bombarded by European gunboats.

[Vapormancer]

Yeah, there needs to be a reckoning. But even more than that, there needs to be a serious change. The system is fundamentally broken and/or corrupted on pretty much all levels, and people not only know it they accept it as a fact of life. The worst part, to my mind, is that many of the things we find outrageous seems to actually be there by design.

A downside to the whole "American exceptionalism" thing seems to be that it's difficult to imagine there being systems that work better than what we're seeing now, or making excuses for why sound solutions seen elsewhere couldn't work in the US. But regardless of where inspiration is found it all needs to be revised and rebuilt from the ground up, and that's not an easy proposition - especially in the age of hyperpartisanship and political cults.

Sounds like the issue China had in the 1800s. "We're the best" they said as their ports were bombarded by European gunboats.

We will be arguing the vagaries of court conduct as Chinese gunboats prowl our rivers. Who is the real racist as they demand repayment of debts. On the positive side, that means those State Department types I hate so much will soon be not only of a job but even more hated than now.

[Greed and Death]

I'm telling you, I recognize America less and less these days Gravlen.

There need to be all manner of lawsuits and charges and arrests around the way things have been handled.

Yeah, there needs to be a reckoning. But even more than that, there needs to be a serious change. The system is fundamentally broken and/or corrupted on pretty much all levels, and people not only know it they accept it as a fact of life. The worst part, to my mind, is that many of the things we find outrageous seems to actually be there by design.

A downside to the whole "American exceptionalism" thing seems to be that it's difficult to imagine there being systems that work better than what we're seeing now, or making excuses for why sound solutions seen elsewhere couldn't work in the US. But regardless of where inspiration is found it all needs to be revised and rebuilt from the ground up, and that's not an easy proposition - especially in the age of hyperpartisanship and political cults.

I told you in 2016 Democracy is effectively over here. Right now it is a keep your head down survival game.

[Vapormancer]

I'm telling you, I recognize America less and less these days Gravlen.

There need to be all manner of lawsuits and charges and arrests around the way things have been handled.

Yeah, there needs to be a reckoning. But even more than that, there needs to be a serious change. The system is fundamentally broken and/or corrupted on pretty much all levels, and people not only know it they accept it as a fact of life. The worst part, to my mind, is that many of the things we find outrageous seems to actually be there by design.

A downside to the whole "American exceptionalism" thing seems to be that it's difficult to imagine there being systems that work better than what we're seeing now, or making excuses for why sound solutions seen elsewhere couldn't work in the US. But regardless of where inspiration is found it all needs to be revised and rebuilt from the ground up, and that's not an easy proposition - especially in the age of hyperpartisanship and political cults.

Absolutely but I do not think we can build a better system when fine gentlemen as yourself have no sense of justice in your views and certainly none of proportion for men. Our so called educated class sincerely believes in mob rule or other insane ideas brought on by a backwards education system. To rebuild it with human trash as the ones concocting what comes next is to be courting disaster. It may be better if the two Americas simply go their own way. You Europeans may have to actually be useful in defending yourselves for once but that is a small price to pay really.

[Katganistan]

Yeah, there needs to be a reckoning. But even more than that, there needs to be a serious change. The system is fundamentally broken and/or corrupted on pretty much all levels, and people not only know it they accept it as a fact of life. The worst part, to my mind, is that many of the things we find outrageous seems to actually be there by design.

A downside to the whole "American exceptionalism" thing seems to be that it's difficult to imagine there being systems that work better than what we're seeing now, or making excuses for why sound solutions seen elsewhere couldn't work in the US. But regardless of where inspiration is found it all needs to be revised and rebuilt from the ground up, and that's not an easy proposition - especially in the age of hyperpartisanship and political cults.

Absolutely but I do not think we can build a better system when fine gentlemen as yourself have no sense of justice in your views and certainly none of proportion for men. Our so called educated class sincerely believes in mob rule or other insane ideas brought on by a backwards education system. To rebuild it with human trash as the ones concocting what comes next is to be courting disaster. It may be better if the two Americas simply go their own way. You Europeans may have to actually be useful in defending yourselves for once but that is a small price to pay really.

*** Warned for trolling. ***

[Rojava Free State]

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-53550882

This is related heavily to the current protests going on, and I saw it in my recommended news today.

All i gotta say is can 2020 stop making me choose sides in fights between people with horrifically flawed views?

[Celritannia]

A good video from a US Attorney on the use of federal agencies in Portland.

Basically, Federal officers do not have the right to arrest or carry out any search and seizures unless they have gained authorisation from the State.

Federal Agents only have jurisdiction on Federal property, and these Federal Officer illegally detaining individuals were no where near federal Property.

Oregon also has a law which requires all law enforcement officers to be identified.

Also, one thing I learned from this video is Heckler's Veto. For those who may not know it, even if a minority cause violence and acts of vandalism, this in no way removes the rights of the majority of the first amendment who are protesting peacefully.

Although, I am sure G&D will correct me here if need be

[Rojava Free State]

A good video from a US Attorney on the use of federal agencies in Portland.

Basically, Federal officers do not have the right to arrest or carry out any search and seizures unless they have gained authorisation from the State.

Federal Agents only have jurisdiction on Federal property, and these Federal Officer illegally detaining individuals were no where near federal Property.

Oregon also has a law which requires all law enforcement officers to be identified.

Also, one thing I learned from this video is Heckler's Veto. Basically, even if a minority cause violence and acts of vandalism, this in no way removes the rights of the majority of the first amendment who are protesting peacefully.

So basically the state of Oregon is being raped by the federal government with goon squads.

[Gravlen]

Yeah, there needs to be a reckoning. But even more than that, there needs to be a serious change. The system is fundamentally broken and/or corrupted on pretty much all levels, and people not only know it they accept it as a fact of life. The worst part, to my mind, is that many of the things we find outrageous seems to actually be there by design.

A downside to the whole "American exceptionalism" thing seems to be that it's difficult to imagine there being systems that work better than what we're seeing now, or making excuses for why sound solutions seen elsewhere couldn't work in the US. But regardless of where inspiration is found it all needs to be revised and rebuilt from the ground up, and that's not an easy proposition - especially in the age of hyperpartisanship and political cults.

I told you in 2016 Democracy is effectively over here. Right now it is a keep your head down survival game.

At the same time, I didn't want to believe you and I've been waiting for something big to *snap*.

It's not possible to live in survival mode forever (or is it? ), so something has got to change in a big way.

[Thermodolia]

An Army National Guard commander who witnessed protesters forcibly removed from Lafayette Square last month is contradicting claims by the attorney general and the Trump administration that they did not speed up the clearing to make way for the president’s photo opportunity minutes later.

A new statement by Adam DeMarco, an Iraq veteran who now serves as a major in the D.C. National Guard, also casts doubt on the claims by acting Park Police Chief Gregory Monahan that violence by protesters spurred Park Police to clear the area at that time with unusually aggressive tactics. DeMarco said that “demonstrators were behaving peacefully” and that tear gas was deployed in an “excessive use of force.”

DeMarco said he was coming forward “to help ensure that there is a fair factual record of what happened at Lafayette Square, based on what I saw and experienced first-hand.” He said that, having served in a combat zone and having experience in assessing threats, “at no time did I feel threatened by the protesters or assess them to be violent … From my observation, these demonstrators — our fellow American citizens — were engaged in the peaceful expression of their First Amendment rights. Yet they were subjected to an unprovoked escalation and excessive use of force.”

Grijalva said DeMarco’s testimony showed “the discomfort the military has with policing against the American citizen. This was a political stunt at the expense of the protesters and at the expense of the reputations of the National Guard and the police.”

National Guard commander says police suddenly moved on Lafayette Square protesters, used ‘excessive force’ before Trump visit

DeMarco will be testifying Tuesday before the House Natural Resources Committee on Tuesday.

I feel bad for that guy. In a few days the DHS will probably take him away in a van too, and unlike the Portland protesters, you'll never see him again.

Nah the last thing the DHS wants is too piss off the military. Trump already knows the military will not side with him against the american people. The last thing the DHS wants is to give the military an excuse to declare the Trump Administration an enemy of the state

[Celritannia]

A good video from a US Attorney on the use of federal agencies in Portland.

Basically, Federal officers do not have the right to arrest or carry out any search and seizures unless they have gained authorisation from the State.

Federal Agents only have jurisdiction on Federal property, and these Federal Officer illegally detaining individuals were no where near federal Property.

Oregon also has a law which requires all law enforcement officers to be identified.

Also, one thing I learned from this video is Heckler's Veto. Basically, even if a minority cause violence and acts of vandalism, this in no way removes the rights of the majority of the first amendment who are protesting peacefully.

So basically the state of Oregon is being raped by the federal government with goon squads.

Indeed it is.

[Rojava Free State]

I told you in 2016 Democracy is effectively over here. Right now it is a keep your head down survival game.

At the same time, I didn't want to believe you and I've been waiting for something big to *snap*.

It's not possible to live in survival mode forever (or is it? ), so something has got to change in a big way.

Welcome to hell

[Rojava Free State]

I feel bad for that guy. In a few days the DHS will probably take him away in a van too, and unlike the Portland protesters, you'll never see him again.

Nah the last thing the DHS wants is too piss off the military. Trump already knows the military will not side with him against the american people. The last thing the DHS wants is to give the military an excuse to declare the Trump Administration an enemy of the state

I hope so for our sake

[Celritannia]

I feel bad for that guy. In a few days the DHS will probably take him away in a van too, and unlike the Portland protesters, you'll never see him again.

Nah the last thing the DHS wants is too piss off the military. Trump already knows the military will not side with him against the american people. The last thing the DHS wants is to give the military an excuse to declare the Trump Administration an enemy of the state

Especially when the majority of the DHS leadership have not been approved by the Senate.

[Thermodolia]

An Army National Guard commander who witnessed protesters forcibly removed from Lafayette Square last month is contradicting claims by the attorney general and the Trump administration that they did not speed up the clearing to make way for the president’s photo opportunity minutes later.

A new statement by Adam DeMarco, an Iraq veteran who now serves as a major in the D.C. National Guard, also casts doubt on the claims by acting Park Police Chief Gregory Monahan that violence by protesters spurred Park Police to clear the area at that time with unusually aggressive tactics. DeMarco said that “demonstrators were behaving peacefully” and that tear gas was deployed in an “excessive use of force.”

DeMarco said he was coming forward “to help ensure that there is a fair factual record of what happened at Lafayette Square, based on what I saw and experienced first-hand.” He said that, having served in a combat zone and having experience in assessing threats, “at no time did I feel threatened by the protesters or assess them to be violent … From my observation, these demonstrators — our fellow American citizens — were engaged in the peaceful expression of their First Amendment rights. Yet they were subjected to an unprovoked escalation and excessive use of force.”

Grijalva said DeMarco’s testimony showed “the discomfort the military has with policing against the American citizen. This was a political stunt at the expense of the protesters and at the expense of the reputations of the National Guard and the police.”

National Guard commander says police suddenly moved on Lafayette Square protesters, used ‘excessive force’ before Trump visit

DeMarco will be testifying Tuesday before the House Natural Resources Committee on Tuesday.

Can Trump fire members of the DC National Guard? I guess we'll find out soon.

Technically he can. Though, it would only mean that they’d be transferred elsewhere but with how the military doesn’t like Trump at all he probably doesn’t want to poke that bear

[Gravlen]

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-53550882

This is related heavily to the current protests going on, and I saw it in my recommended news today.

All i gotta say is can 2020 stop making me choose sides in fights between people with horrifically flawed views?

Cotton is an absolute asshole, but who's on the other side?

[Greed and Death]

So basically the state of Oregon is being raped by the federal government with goon squads.

Indeed it is.

The Libertarians have been telling you for decades we need to restrain federal police power. Y'all were all for federal police power when it meant taking cattle from ranchers and making people buy insurance. You should not be surprised when the power you give the federal government comes back to haunt you.

[Greed and Death]

A good video from a US Attorney on the use of federal agencies in Portland.

Basically, Federal officers do not have the right to arrest or carry out any search and seizures unless they have gained authorisation from the State.

Federal Agents only have jurisdiction on Federal property, and these Federal Officer illegally detaining individuals were no where near federal Property.

Oregon also has a law which requires all law enforcement officers to be identified.

Also, one thing I learned from this video is Heckler's Veto. For those who may not know it, even if a minority cause violence and acts of vandalism, this in no way removes the rights of the majority of the first amendment who are protesting peacefully.

Although, I am sure G&D will correct me here if need be

He glossed over the point but that's not exactly what he said. Federal agents can arrest people on federal property for both state and federal crimes. Off of Federal property federal agents cannot arrest people for state crimes without state permission. What he leaves out is Federal agents can arrest people for Federal crimes anywhere in the country. Vandalizing a federal courthouse is a federal crime. Ignoring a federal officer's order is a federal crime. Federal officers can very easily generate a federal crime especially because the person arrested will be interrogated immediately while the arresting officer will write his report after he has had a second to calm down and listen to the interrogation of the suspect.