US Anti-Police Protests and Riots Thread II

[Ifreann]

Iffrean.

Several New York Times opinion pieces as well favor the world without police motiff.

I wonder if I could sell some of my posts to the New York Times as controversial thinkpieces.

[Greed and Death]

Several New York Times opinion pieces as well favor the world without police motiff.

I wonder if I could sell some of my posts to the New York Times as controversial thinkpieces.

Opinion pieces are not normally compensated though make some good ones and they might bring you on as a writer.

The key to getting in the New York times is being able to write well extremely quickly. When an issue is being debated you have maybe 12 hours to get it into the times otherwise they will favor more relevant subjects.

[Rojava Free State]

I expect the next twist to be the police station burning down.

Not in Texas the Governor will deputize the rednecks and send them to turn Austin into a war zone before that happens.

also a better source. The driver claimed the guy they shot pointed an AK47 at them.

https://dfw.cbslocal.com/2020/07/26/arm ... d-custody/

Whats he gonna claim? "Yeah I shot a guy cause he's a damn dirty commie scum."

[Ifreann]

I wonder if I could sell some of my posts to the New York Times as controversial thinkpieces.

Opinion pieces are not normally compensated though make some good ones and they might bring you on as a writer.

The key to getting in the New York times is being able to write well extremely quickly. When an issue is being debated you have maybe 12 hours to get it into the times otherwise they will favor more relevant subjects.

I don't think I have a big enough platform to complain about being silenced, though. Ah well, the cheques from Soros keep me fed and watered.

[Vapormancer]

Where did I attack you? Please point it out.







Please point out where in the quotes your confusion is so I can help you. She has made it very clear what her position is. Why do you insist on marginalizing a woman of color and explaining on her behalf what she really means?

Gross.

I know, what a terrible thing to be putting out to the public. It really trashes your point and your hand wringing over that evil misleading we're supposedly doing.

Where did I attack you? Please point it out.







Please point out where in the quotes your confusion is so I can help you. She has made it very clear what her position is. Why do you insist on marginalizing a woman of color and explaining on her behalf what she really means?

You just can't stop shoving words into my mouth and groping desperately for a NO U, can you?

No, you said this

So in short she's not advocating for abolition, you just want to paint it that way to scare people.

I pointed out that wasn't what she was saying and used her own words. She has been very clear about this. Do you concede the point? You've been thoroughly proven wrong but I can always find more quotes from her organization or interviews she has done.

[Vassenor]

People really are upset that "Defund the police" isn't the abolitionist boogey man they were desperate for it to be, it seems.

[Vapormancer]

Not with our population and not with the enormous demographic divisions in the US.

Sure we could. The 1 percenters have 38.5 % of the national wealth (Probably 42-45% if not more due to the trumpests. Add in all the millionaire+. people.

How much do you think simple programs to feed, reasonable housing and educating the people would take?

The polices of flood upwards are no longer working.

I don't think we possess a government or a people capable of making those work anymore tbh. You can push all the money into education you like but if the ones telling teachers what to teach have very stupid ideas like "testing" as the end in and of itself, you won't have the kids learn anything. The same with the bureaucrats who can't even fire a guy who infects vets with Hep or HIV. We'd have to overhaul our joke of a system and purge the various geniuses visited by the good ideas fairy.

[Vapormancer]

People really are upset that "Defund the police" isn't the abolitionist boogey man they were desperate for it to be, it seems.

Do you concede the point that she does infact support abolishing the police? Don't dodge. Furthermore, she represents a significant faction of that whole business. Are you going to pretend Ifreann here doesn't exist?

[Rojava Free State]

Sure we could. The 1 percenters have 38.5 % of the national wealth (Probably 42-45% if not more due to the trumpests. Add in all the millionaire+. people.

How much do you think simple programs to feed, reasonable housing and educating the people would take?

The polices of flood upwards are no longer working.

I don't think we possess a government or a people capable of making those work anymore tbh. You can push all the money into education you like but if the ones telling teachers what to teach have very stupid ideas like "testing" as the end in and of itself, you won't have the kids learn anything. The same with the bureaucrats who can't even fire a guy who infects vets with Hep or HIV. We'd have to overhaul our joke of a system and purge the various geniuses visited by the good ideas fairy.

I can't lie, you right. The money will only work if allocated correctly and for the right reasons and our current system couldn't manage a bank account of $100, let alone full fledged social programs.

[Mirjt]

People really are upset that "Defund the police" isn't the abolitionist boogey man they were desperate for it to be, it seems.

True, I am an abolitionist and I see Defund the Police as a logical first step compatible with both abolitionist political philosophy and reformist political philosophy.

Defund the Police just means reduce funding for the police, don't give the police funding for things they don't need (like military grade tanks), and reallocate budgets to focus more on social investments that can reduce crime and therefore reduce the need for policing (such as education, housing, healthcare, jobs, welfare, etc...) and focus more on alternatives to police (such as having mental health experts handle mental health crisis, having conflict deescalation experts settle fights or abuse, having health experts deal with health emergencies like drug overdoses, and using more prison diversion programs). It may actually involve raising taxes in the short-term, but the benefits to human life and safety and quality of life are worth it and investing in communities will likely eventually yield significant economic dividends.

[The Emerald Legion]

People really are upset that "Defund the police" isn't the abolitionist boogey man they were desperate for it to be, it seems.

I mean... The thing is, it is. You can say it's not, but there are actually people demanding the abolition of police.

That's the issue with decentralized movements.

[Gormwood]

People really are upset that "Defund the police" isn't the abolitionist boogey man they were desperate for it to be, it seems.

True, I am an abolitionist and I see Defund the Police as a logical first step compatible with both abolitionist political philosophy and reformist political philosophy.

Defund the Police just means reduce funding for the police, don't give the police funding for things they don't need (like military grade tanks), and reallocate budgets to focus more on social investments that can reduce crime and therefore reduce the need for policing (such as education, housing, healthcare, jobs, welfare, etc...) and focus more on alternatives to police (such as having mental health experts handle mental health crisis, having conflict deescalation experts settle fights or abuse, having health experts deal with health emergencies like drug overdoses, and using more prison diversion programs). It may actually involve raising taxes in the short-term, but the benefits to human life and safety and quality of life are worth it and investing in communities will likely eventually yield significant economic dividends.

I'm all for reforming police. Abolishing police without a functional law enforcement mechanism to fill in the gap until replacements are complete is begging for a clusterfuck straight out of DeBaathified Iraq.

[Greed and Death]

Not in Texas the Governor will deputize the rednecks and send them to turn Austin into a war zone before that happens.

also a better source. The driver claimed the guy they shot pointed an AK47 at them.

https://dfw.cbslocal.com/2020/07/26/arm ... d-custody/

Whats he gonna claim? "Yeah I shot a guy cause he's a damn dirty commie scum."

He claimed the guy pointed a gun at him while his vehicle was surrounded and people were beating on the windows.

Those people beating on his car might get felony murder convictions. Would that be justice served ?

[Gormwood]

Whats he gonna claim? "Yeah I shot a guy cause he's a damn dirty commie scum."

He claimed the guy pointed a gun at him while his vehicle was surrounded and people were beating on the windows.

Those people beating on his car might get felony murder convictions. Would that be justice served ?

After he tried to ISIS Car them.

[The Reformed American Republic]

People really are upset that "Defund the police" isn't the abolitionist boogey man they were desperate for it to be, it seems.

Do you concede the point that she does infact support abolishing the police? Don't dodge. Furthermore, she represents a significant faction of that whole business. Are you going to pretend Ifreann here doesn't exist?

Indeed. While many just want reform, there are extremists in the movement.

[Ifreann]

He claimed the guy pointed a gun at him while his vehicle was surrounded and people were beating on the windows.

Those people beating on his car might get felony murder convictions. Would that be justice served ?

After he tried to ISIS Car them.

Have ISIS ever carried out a car attack in the US?

[Galloism]

People really are upset that "Defund the police" isn't the abolitionist boogey man they were desperate for it to be, it seems.

Do you concede the point that she does infact support abolishing the police? Don't dodge. Furthermore, she represents a significant faction of that whole business. Are you going to pretend Ifreann here doesn't exist?

Whether she does or not is rather beside the point when it comes to messaging - 18% of people hear "defund the police" and think "reduce police funding to zero". Because that's what we talk about when we use things like "Defund the ACA" and "Defund ICE" and "Defund marijuana enforcement in states that legalized it" - in our society "Defund" means "reduce funding to zero".

Which is "abolish" in all but name.

[Gormwood]

After he tried to ISIS Car them.

Have ISIS ever carried out a car attack in the US?

Most weren't even actual ISIS operations, just loners trying to mash people and declaring their allegiance to ISIS which they readily claimed credit for like a bunch of Trumps.

[Ifreann]

Have ISIS ever carried out a car attack in the US?

Most weren't even actual ISIS operations, just loners trying to mash people and declaring their allegiance to ISIS which they readily claimed credit for like a bunch of Trumps.

Well then, has that ever happened in the US?

[Greed and Death]

Have ISIS ever carried out a car attack in the US?

Most weren't even actual ISIS operations, just loners trying to mash people and declaring their allegiance to ISIS which they readily claimed credit for like a bunch of Trumps.

That is how ISIS operates outside of the limited area they controlled. Cells and loners taking initiative for a suicide attack.

[Ifreann]

What I'm getting at here that isn't really any reason to link car attacks to ISIS specifically, especially in the US when it's often domestic far-right terrorists with literally no association with Islam carrying out car attacks.

[Gormwood]

Most weren't even actual ISIS operations, just loners trying to mash people and declaring their allegiance to ISIS which they readily claimed credit for like a bunch of Trumps.

Well then, has that ever happened in the US?

2017 New York City truck attack

[Ifreann]

Well then, has that ever happened in the US?

2017 New York City truck attack

So once? And the far-right has done it how many times?

[Galloism]

2017 New York City truck attack

So once? And the far-right has done it how many times?

Twice I think? Maybe three times?

[Gormwood]

2017 New York City truck attack

So once? And the far-right has done it how many times?

"ISIS Car" was relying on a much more ready visual in the minds of most Americans have of vehicular attacks as being Islamist in nature. Right wingers have committed more in the U.S. but in other parts of the war they tend towards terrorism if not explicitly ISIS.