The social workers wills stop a bank robbery for sure.
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by Kowani » Fri Jul 24, 2020 8:11 pm
by Nobel Hobos 2 » Fri Jul 24, 2020 8:12 pm
by Nobel Hobos 2 » Fri Jul 24, 2020 8:14 pm
by Trollgaard » Fri Jul 24, 2020 8:18 pm
by Kowani » Fri Jul 24, 2020 8:19 pm
by Neutraligon » Fri Jul 24, 2020 8:20 pm
Trollgaard wrote:Kowani wrote:The general investment in the community will make bank robberies unnecessary.
Might reduce them, but won't eliminate them. There will always be crime, even if it is greatly reduced. Thus there will always be a need for police.
However, that does not mean police should get away with BS that they have been. I don't know if mass firing, mass retraining, selective firings, maybe not filling in spots that open up or something would work.
I get that people want change, and there should be, but I don't think you can just massively cut police without having the ground work for these...social programs?and INSTANTLY be able to shoulder their load and not leave things in a worse state.
by Kowani » Fri Jul 24, 2020 8:25 pm
However, that does not mean police should get away with BS that they have been. I don't know if mass firing, mass retraining, selective firings, maybe not filling in spots that open up or something would work.
I get that people want change, and there should be, but I don't think you can just massively cut police without having the ground work for these...social programs?and INSTANTLY be able to shoulder their load and not leave things in a worse state.
by Trollgaard » Fri Jul 24, 2020 8:25 pm
Neutraligon wrote:Trollgaard wrote:
Might reduce them, but won't eliminate them. There will always be crime, even if it is greatly reduced. Thus there will always be a need for police.
However, that does not mean police should get away with BS that they have been. I don't know if mass firing, mass retraining, selective firings, maybe not filling in spots that open up or something would work.
I get that people want change, and there should be, but I don't think you can just massively cut police without having the ground work for these...social programs?and INSTANTLY be able to shoulder their load and not leave things in a worse state.
I think what is needed is a mix of retraining, reducing the duties and increasing social programs, and ensuring that police wear body cams at all times with consequences for turning them off and the like.
by Trollgaard » Fri Jul 24, 2020 8:28 pm
Kowani wrote:Trollgaard wrote:
Might reduce them, but won't eliminate them. There will always be crime, even if it is greatly reduced. Thus there will always be a need for police.
NS2 explained pretty well why bank robberies aren't super common, so I have to ask...what is it exactly that you think police do?However, that does not mean police should get away with BS that they have been. I don't know if mass firing, mass retraining, selective firings, maybe not filling in spots that open up or something would work.
I get that people want change, and there should be, but I don't think you can just massively cut police without having the ground work for these...social programs?and INSTANTLY be able to shoulder their load and not leave things in a worse state.
Well, cities can't run budget deficits the way the feds can, so something's gonna have to go, and I think the guys who are actively making things worse should be the first on the chopping block.
by Kowani » Fri Jul 24, 2020 8:33 pm
This. Hm. Some do, some don't. Since the early 2000's, the relationship seems to be not.Trollgaard wrote:Kowani wrote:NS2 explained pretty well why bank robberies aren't super common, so I have to ask...what is it exactly that you think police do?
Well, cities can't run budget deficits the way the feds can, so something's gonna have to go, and I think the guys who are actively making things worse should be the first on the chopping block.
Police prevent
A minority of it, anyway...and solve crime,
Yeah, in theory.and help citizens in need.They protect lives and property.
In theory, anyway.
Again, as mentioned, you can't just get rid of police entirely (ever), and not have the groundwork for their successor agencies in place.
by Gormwood » Fri Jul 24, 2020 8:34 pm
Neutraligon wrote:Trollgaard wrote:
Might reduce them, but won't eliminate them. There will always be crime, even if it is greatly reduced. Thus there will always be a need for police.
However, that does not mean police should get away with BS that they have been. I don't know if mass firing, mass retraining, selective firings, maybe not filling in spots that open up or something would work.
I get that people want change, and there should be, but I don't think you can just massively cut police without having the ground work for these...social programs?and INSTANTLY be able to shoulder their load and not leave things in a worse state.
I think what is needed is a mix of retraining, reducing the duties and increasing social programs, and ensuring that police wear body cams at all times with consequences for turning them off and the like.
by Trollgaard » Fri Jul 24, 2020 8:40 pm
Gormwood wrote:Neutraligon wrote:I think what is needed is a mix of retraining, reducing the duties and increasing social programs, and ensuring that police wear body cams at all times with consequences for turning them off and the like.
Quite a few posters are calling for American DeBaathification with police in place of Baath Party members. And we saw what happened after DeBaathification. Getting rid of police with no replacement is a recipe for a fucktastrophe.
by Farnhamia » Fri Jul 24, 2020 8:51 pm
by Genivaria » Fri Jul 24, 2020 8:55 pm
Farnhamia wrote:Genivaria wrote:While I generally support defunding the police I don't think bank robbers are from poor backgrounds, robbing a bank requires professional skill.
Uhm, no. Any fool can walk into a bank with a gun - or without - and stick up a teller. Cracking a safe might require some more skill but really, when's the last time you heard of that being done?
by Farnhamia » Fri Jul 24, 2020 8:59 pm
Genivaria wrote:Farnhamia wrote:Uhm, no. Any fool can walk into a bank with a gun - or without - and stick up a teller. Cracking a safe might require some more skill but really, when's the last time you heard of that being done?
I hope not alone or he's going to be shot very quickly by the armed security.
by Alcala-Cordel » Fri Jul 24, 2020 9:01 pm
Gormwood wrote:Neutraligon wrote:I think what is needed is a mix of retraining, reducing the duties and increasing social programs, and ensuring that police wear body cams at all times with consequences for turning them off and the like.
Quite a few posters are calling for American DeBaathification with police in place of Baath Party members. And we saw what happened after DeBaathification. Getting rid of police with no replacement is a recipe for a fucktastrophe.
by Genivaria » Fri Jul 24, 2020 9:01 pm
by Mirjt » Fri Jul 24, 2020 9:02 pm
by Genivaria » Fri Jul 24, 2020 9:03 pm
Alcala-Cordel wrote:Gormwood wrote:Quite a few posters are calling for American DeBaathification with police in place of Baath Party members. And we saw what happened after DeBaathification. Getting rid of police with no replacement is a recipe for a fucktastrophe.
If we decriminalize drugs and sex work, replace "fix-it tickets" with roadside assistance, help fund social work, rehabilitation, and other community-building efforts, mostly empty the prisons and rebuild them Swedish-style, fund universal healthcare, and better fund shelters cops will be pretty much useless and America will be a better place.
by Mirjt » Fri Jul 24, 2020 9:04 pm
Alcala-Cordel wrote:Gormwood wrote:Quite a few posters are calling for American DeBaathification with police in place of Baath Party members. And we saw what happened after DeBaathification. Getting rid of police with no replacement is a recipe for a fucktastrophe.
If we decriminalize drugs and sex work, replace "fix-it tickets" with roadside assistance, help fund social work, rehabilitation, and other community-building efforts, mostly empty the prisons and rebuild them Swedish-style, fund universal healthcare, and better fund shelters cops will be pretty much useless and America will be a better place.
by Jraden » Fri Jul 24, 2020 9:07 pm
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